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Capitalism or Communism?

Postby Telemarcia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:00 pm

What is ultimately best for modern day human civilization? A market based economy with inevitable inequality or an attempt to forciblly change that in favour of a fairer and equal society? War may be coming in my Nation States region between the communist and capitalist powers and I was wandering what everyone was thinking!
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Postby Renegade Island » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:02 pm

This again? :roll:

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Postby Meryuma » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:05 pm

Telemarcia wrote:A naturally created market based economy with inevitable inequality or an attempt to forciblly change that in favour of a fairer and equal society?


Should I even attempt to begin with how wrong this is?
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Postby 4years » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:08 pm

Telemarcia wrote:What is ultimately best for modern day human civilization? A naturally created market based economy with inevitable inequality or an attempt to forciblly change that in favour of a fairer and equal society? War may be coming in my region between the communist and capitalist powers and I was wandering what everyone was thinking!


1. Communism is ultimately best for modern civilization.
2. Capitalism is not naturally created.
3. What communist powers?
4. What region of the world?
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:08 pm

Meryuma wrote:
Telemarcia wrote:A naturally created market based economy with inevitable inequality or an attempt to forciblly change that in favour of a fairer and equal society?


Should I even attempt to begin with how wrong this is?

Yes, if you feel you can correct him. Ignorance must not be tolerated, it is a hinderance to the socialist cause.
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Postby Reggae Magmia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:14 pm

:rofl:

:palm: NOT AGAIN!!!

Anyways, neither. Market socialism.

I'm not going to even try to explain how ridiculous your assumption is, because I'll just end up with a headache and rant for the next hour.
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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:15 pm

Telemarcia wrote:What is ultimately best for modern day human civilization? A naturally created market based economy with inevitable inequality or an attempt to forciblly change that in favour of a fairer and equal society? War may be coming in my region between the communist and capitalist powers and I was wandering what everyone was thinking!


The natural form of the economy is much like communism. (any excess is redistributed regardless of the desires of the producer) However it breaks down with large groups, because of limitations imposed Dunbar's number, Thus an artificial mechanism is required.
This is even more true when you deal with conflict prevention and resolution.

If you can't even get to this step you will never be able to argue which artificial mechanism is better.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:15 pm

As said before me many times, not again?

Neither. Socialism and Corporatism mixed together, was it Market Socialism or Syndicalism.
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San Leggera wrote:A potato-transporting vessel shaped like a phallus.

Fuck yeah.
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Postby Nova_Ravenna » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:18 pm

Capitalism, i dont care about equality. Even though capitalism provides ample opertunity for equality.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:18 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:As said before me many times, not again?

Neither. Socialism and Corporatism mixed together, was it Market Socialism or Syndicalism.

Better yet, Market Syndicalism.
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Postby Telemarcia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:18 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:As said before me many times, not again?

Neither. Socialism and Corporatism mixed together, was it Market Socialism or Syndicalism.


What exactly is market socialism?

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Postby Zutroy » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:18 pm

Renegade Island wrote:This again? :roll:


This is gonna happen every few weeks for as long as this forum exists, pretty much.
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Postby Pahrmen » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:18 pm

It's been said more than once that communism/socialism would never work in a modern world. Granted, capitalism isn't perfect either.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:19 pm

Nova_Ravenna wrote:Capitalism, i dont care about equality. Even though capitalism provides ample opertunity for equality.


Capitalism providing opportunities for equality? How nice.

Meanwhile, in the real world, it perpetuates inequality.
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Postby New Rayhaven » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:20 pm

Neither.
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Postby Reggae Magmia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:21 pm

Telemarcia wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:As said before me many times, not again?

Neither. Socialism and Corporatism mixed together, was it Market Socialism or Syndicalism.


What exactly is market socialism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism

Basically, Socialism (cooperative ownership of the means of production) within a market economy.
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Postby Telemarcia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:21 pm

Pahrmen wrote:It's been said more than once that communism/socialism would never work in a modern world. Granted, capitalism isn't perfect either.


I know the USSR ultimately failed and China doesn't really follow true Communism, but what about Cuba? They don't seem to be going to badly.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:21 pm

Telemarcia wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:As said before me many times, not again?

Neither. Socialism and Corporatism mixed together, was it Market Socialism or Syndicalism.


What exactly is market socialism?


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism
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Postby 4years » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:22 pm

Pahrmen wrote:It's been said more than once that communism/socialism capitalism would never work in a modern world.Granted, capitalism isn't perfect either.

Fixed.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:23 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:As said before me many times, not again?

Neither. Socialism and Corporatism mixed together, was it Market Socialism or Syndicalism.

Better yet, Market Syndicalism.

Maybe. :lol:
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Postby 4years » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:23 pm

Telemarcia wrote:
Pahrmen wrote:It's been said more than once that communism/socialism would never work in a modern world. Granted, capitalism isn't perfect either.


I know the USSR ultimately failed and China doesn't really follow true Communism, but what about Cuba? They don't seem to be going to badly.


1. The USSR was neither communist nor socialist.
2. Neither is Cuba.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:23 pm

Telemarcia wrote:
Pahrmen wrote:It's been said more than once that communism/socialism would never work in a modern world. Granted, capitalism isn't perfect either.


I know the USSR ultimately failed and China doesn't really follow true Communism, but what about Cuba? They don't seem to be going to badly.


The USSR wasn't communist either, and neither is or was Cuba, and neither is or was China, and neither were and are the delightful government of Best Korea.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:23 pm

Telemarcia wrote:
Pahrmen wrote:It's been said more than once that communism/socialism would never work in a modern world. Granted, capitalism isn't perfect either.


I know the USSR ultimately failed and China doesn't really follow true Communism, but what about Cuba? They don't seem to be going to badly.

They're still not socialist, they're state capitalist.
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