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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:38 am

Fun fact: Slav originated from the term "Slava" which meant "Honor" at the time, but currently has evolved to mean "Glory".

Slava is also a popular name in Slavic Culture. For example the name of Russia's Head Coach when Canada was pwnd in 2008 was Slava Bykov :P

So with that fun fact, welcome to the Slavic thread. Who can post here? Well anyone, it's an NSG topic. Who's encouraged to post here? Slavs and those who are interested in Slavic Culture, and/or has views on Pan-Slavism. No, we're not currently working to take over the World. The World's too damn big to run, and we're lazy :P From an essay of a student, (sent to me by one of my friends who teaches in Russia)

"Slavs were very free loving people. Mongols tried to enslave them, but even there, Slavs refused to work."

I just find that hilarious. Anyways, here are the major Slavic Groups:

Russians: 150 million
Poles: 60 million
Ukrainians: 50 million
Belorussians: 10 million
Serbs: 10 million
Czechs: 11.5 million
Bulgarians: 9.5 million
Croats: 9 million
Slovaks: 6.5 million
Bosniaks: 3 million
Slovenes: 2.5 million
Macedonians: 2.5 million
Montenegrins: 1 million
Total: 325.5 million - yeah, we're a big deal :D

These are very rough estimates taken from Wikidorkia, so they might be off. But I think that saying that there are somewhere between 300 million and 350 million Slavs would be an accurate statement. Most Slavs are Christians. Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Macedonians and Montenegrins, belong to the Orthodox Church, whereas Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Croats and Slovenes belong to the Catholic Church. Since Orthodox Church is cooler, we have more adherents :P Bosniaks are the only major Slavic Group whose religion is Sunni Islam.

There was a time period when Russia could've acted as a unifying force for all Slavs. I'm referring to the time period of Csar Alexander I, the "Dude I just ... my country" Csar. Europe was falling into Napoleon's hands, and most of the Slavs were located either in the Russian Empire, or in parts of the Austro-Hungarian and German Empires, as well as the Ottoman Empire. After Ruymyantsev's Reforms, the Ottoman Empire was losing wars to Russia left and right. And this is pre-1815 period we're talking about, when the Russian Army was at one of its Zeniths. Taking on the Ottoman Empire would've been a breeze, as would allying with Napoleon and partitioning the German and Austro-Hungarian Empires, in exchange for Russia getting Poland from France. So it was definitely doable, and although the Prussians and Austro-Hungarians would've objected, if you combine the Franco-Russian Empires into a fighting force from 1800 until 1812 - well, the rest of Europe's Armies can take a break.

So I'm going to talk a bit about the Russians, and my fellow Slavs can talk about the ethnic groups, or add more about the Russians :D

The Russians were created as an intermarriage between the Rus and Slavic races. So, at the beginning, racism wasn't going to become a thing. I laugh at the morons who go "I am a pure blooded Russian," cause that's like going "I'm a pure blooded Anglo-Saxon" - nope, you're a mixture of two races. At least two races. And thus, Russians are, by definition, Slavs. Anyone who's read Nestor knows that Russes are distinct from Normans, so let's read Nestor and not get off on that tangent.

862-1054, from the Founding of Novgorod until the Start of the third mini-civil-war, was the period known as the Founding of Rus. Out of the first 9 rulers, 4 were great, 3 were meh, and 2 sucked. And the great ones ruled longer, so that helped :D

1054-1223 was the period where Russia resembled more of a Confederacy than anything else, and that failed, as was evident by Russia's first major military defeat in 1223. And I'm talking epic defeat here. It led to the 1223-1380 period - of Mongol domination, which was ended by the Battle of Kulikovo. Yeah, Mongols only ruled two-thirds of Russia, but it still sucked. After the Battle of Kulikovo came the Russian Resurgence, and a century later the Mongols were told quite bluntly to GTFO. Since Mongols weakened the tribes between Russia and Mongolia a great deal, the Expansion Period began, which ended in 1598, during the Time of Troubles. It was just a 15 year time period, but utterly devastating, and it started a major Slavic rivalry - the Russo-Polish Rivalry. During the Time of Troubles the Poles attacked the Russians and raided Moscow.

The Time of Troubles ended in 1613, with General Pozharsky and Kuzma Minin, (Kuzma's name, not a title,) kicking the Poles from Moscow. And the Russians held their first semi-democratic election, where a Romanov was elected, and thus the Romanov Period began. It can be split into several periods: the Early Period, 1613-1696, the Romanov Zenith, (from Peter the Great to Catherine the Great's son,) 1696-1801, and the Later period, 1801-1914, although until 1883 the House of Romanov could've still been saved. During this period, Russia conquered Poland, which should've ended the rivalry :P

1914-1921 was the Russian Civil War, and from 1921-1991 came Communism, so modern Russia only started in 1991, fairly young. Stability was only achieved in 2006, and like it or not, but Putin's the best Russian Csar, erm, Leader, since 1883.

So if you have any questions about the history, or just want to have a chat with a fellow Slav - please post here! I also know that other countries have amazing histories - so discuss away!

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:40 am

The only real Slavs are the Slovenes.

And must we count the Polacks?

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Postby Itanica » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:42 am

I love the Slavic people and the culture. Great people that have stuck together through thick and thin throughout history. And that's not even mentioning the women. Slavic women are definitely some of the most beautiful women in the world, up there with the Scandinavians.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:45 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:The only real Slavs are the Slovenes.

And must we count the Polacks?


Spoken like a Catholic :P


Itanica wrote:I love the Slavic people and the culture. Great people that have stuck together through thick and thin throughout history. And that's not even mentioning the women. Slavic women are definitely some of the most beautiful women in the world, up there with the Scandinavians.


Thank you :D

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Postby Povos do Mar » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:51 am

I know next to nothing about Slavs I'm sorry to say but I am interested particularly in the history of the people who lived in what is now Slavic Europe around the first few centuries AD. Does anybody know of any good books I could obtain which are written in English?

Also, just out of curiosity, why are a lot of people from Slavic countries so nationalist? It's crazy! You should love your neighbours!

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:58 am

Povos do Mar wrote:I know next to nothing about Slavs I'm sorry to say but I am interested particularly in the history of the people who lived in what is now Slavic Europe around the first few centuries AD. Does anybody know of any good books I could obtain which are written in English?

Also, just out of curiosity, why are a lot of people from Slavic countries so nationalist? It's crazy! You should love your neighbours!


That's a good question. My grandfather was Slovenian and not a fan of Yugoslavia (especially Serbia, God did he hate the Serbians). I imagine it goes back before the existence of the modern day states there. It's not that hard to imagine, I mean the French and the English still dislike each other.

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Postby Itanica » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:03 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Povos do Mar wrote:I know next to nothing about Slavs I'm sorry to say but I am interested particularly in the history of the people who lived in what is now Slavic Europe around the first few centuries AD. Does anybody know of any good books I could obtain which are written in English?

Also, just out of curiosity, why are a lot of people from Slavic countries so nationalist? It's crazy! You should love your neighbours!


That's a good question. My grandfather was Slovenian and not a fan of Yugoslavia (especially Serbia, God did he hate the Serbians). I imagine it goes back before the existence of the modern day states there. It's not that hard to imagine, I mean the French and the English still dislike each other.

I like the French!

But yes, there is something to be said for that. Alot of countries hate each other because of things that happened hundreds of years ago, I'm not sure why, it just kinda sticks.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:06 am

Povos do Mar wrote:I know next to nothing about Slavs I'm sorry to say but I am interested particularly in the history of the people who lived in what is now Slavic Europe around the first few centuries AD. Does anybody know of any good books I could obtain which are written in English?

Also, just out of curiosity, why are a lot of people from Slavic countries so nationalist? It's crazy! You should love your neighbours!


We love our Slavic neighbors :P

The reason for nationalism is that we fought a lot of wars, recently, and that tends to resurge nationalism. Russia's last war was in 2008, the Slavic countries surrounding Albania are still fighting off KLA offshoots, with Macedonia being a prime example, etc. Also the economic crisis, because a lot of Slavs truly believed that Capitalism would lead us to a better life, and now we're stripped of our Social Rights.

First few centuries AD, hmmm. Well Slavs were just small tribes back then, I would say that the Sarmatians are your best bet: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 100_BC.png

According to Alexander Blok, the Russians also descended from the Scythians, of which, I think, but I'm not sure, the Sarmatians were a subset. I'll let you know if I recall any books - good question! Ufff :P
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Postby Miasto Lodz » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:09 am

Shofercia wrote:...and/or has views on Pan-Slavism.

It should be eradicated and forgotten. The Russians and Serbs should eventually understand that there are some reasons why nobody in this Slavic/Baltic/Caucasian sandbox wants to play with them.
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Postby Jafas United » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:16 am

I have a bit of Russian in me, but they were way before my time.

And by God, did my grandfather hate the Russians with a passion, as do most Finns who were born pre-1939.

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:17 am

Miasto Lodz wrote:
Shofercia wrote:...and/or has views on Pan-Slavism.

It should be eradicated and forgotten. The Russians and Serbs should eventually understand that there are some reasons why nobody in this Slavic/Baltic/Caucasian sandbox wants to play with them.


First, the Caucasian Part's not true, Armenia, Turkey and Iran cooperate with Russia, Azerbaijan neutral, and Georgia's being Georgia. Second, that's off topic, as is the Baltic sandbox, as neither the Caucasus nor the Baltic have anything to do with Pan-Slavism.

As for it being just Russia/Serbia - that's not the case. Bulgaria wants to play, as does Slovakia, as do Ukraine and Belarus, and Montenegro and Macedonia. Not sure about the Catholic States - but most of them have been working hard for better relations with Russia. Well except Slovakia, cause we're already tight :hug:


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Shofercia wrote:... and we're lazy :P

Speak for yourself. ;)


I said that we're too lazy to rule the World, not to chase the girls :P
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:18 am

Slavs are, of of course, the natural serfs of the Germanic race. :p

Jokes aside, the eastern parts of modern Germany were former Slavic settlement areas. The name of the German capital "Berlin", propably has its roots in the Old Slavic word "Berl", meaning "swamp".
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Postby Forster Keys » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:20 am

Some of my German ancestors lived in the Wild East, right on the Slavic Frontier.... :p

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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:24 am

Yep, nice to be a Slav.
Povos do Mar wrote:I know next to nothing about Slavs I'm sorry to say but I am interested particularly in the history of the people who lived in what is now Slavic Europe around the first few centuries AD. Does anybody know of any good books I could obtain which are written in English?

Also, just out of curiosity, why are a lot of people from Slavic countries so nationalist? It's crazy! You should love your neighbours!

Meh, it is true that nationalism is a bit more open in Slavic countries then in others. But i personally love other people(not counting Albanians). I'm not really sure why they are so nationalist, but what the hell.
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Mike the Progressive wrote:
Povos do Mar wrote:I know next to nothing about Slavs I'm sorry to say but I am interested particularly in the history of the people who lived in what is now Slavic Europe around the first few centuries AD. Does anybody know of any good books I could obtain which are written in English?

Also, just out of curiosity, why are a lot of people from Slavic countries so nationalist? It's crazy! You should love your neighbours!


That's a good question. My grandfather was Slovenian and not a fan of Yugoslavia (especially Serbia, God did he hate the Serbians). I imagine it goes back before the existence of the modern day states there. It's not that hard to imagine, I mean the French and the English still dislike each other.


Thats true Im croatian myself and about 90% of Croats hate the serb and I think almost every Slavic country in the balkans hate them mostly because the the horrible things they put us through in The Yugoslavia.

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Baltenstein wrote:Slavs are, of of course, the natural serfs of the Germanic race. :p

Jokes aside, the eastern parts of modern Germany were former Slavic settlement areas. The name of the German capital "Berlin", propably has its roots in the Old Slavic word "Berl", meaning "swamp".

Maybe, Slavs and Germans(Germanians) have a long history together, good and bad. I even read in a book that a leader of the Holy Roman Empire was partly Slavic. That he was part a Luzicki( i don't know the word in English) Serb.
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Krasok wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
That's a good question. My grandfather was Slovenian and not a fan of Yugoslavia (especially Serbia, God did he hate the Serbians). I imagine it goes back before the existence of the modern day states there. It's not that hard to imagine, I mean the French and the English still dislike each other.


Thats trure Im croatian myself and about 90% of Croats hate the serb and I think almost every Slavic country in the balkans hate them mostly because the the horrible things they put us through in The Yugoslavia.

Don't go there. We did terrible things to each other. We got past it. Let's not go back there. We all know that a argue will come out of it.
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Postby Krasok » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:30 am

Kleomentia wrote:
Krasok wrote:
Thats trure Im croatian myself and about 90% of Croats hate the serb and I think almost every Slavic country in the balkans hate them mostly because the the horrible things they put us through in The Yugoslavia.

Don't go there. We did terrible things to each other. We got past it. Let's not go back there. We all know that a argue will come out of it.


Mate atleast I and every Croat I know didn't get past it, its history thats their fault, im just saying that I think is true that alot of people hate them.

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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:32 am

Krasok wrote:
Kleomentia wrote:Don't go there. We did terrible things to each other. We got past it. Let's not go back there. We all know that a argue will come out of it.


Mate atleast I and every Croat I know didn't get past it, its history thats their fault, im just saying that I think is true that alot of people hate them.

Maybe, but it's only because we were scened as horrible monsters. Yes, Milosevic was an idiot, do you think everyone here liked him? People despised him. Is the date "peti oktobar" familiar to you? People hated him for the war and he brought out police and tanks to the street to defend his own ass. We did terrible things, but so did the Croats. Don't go saying you are innocent in that war. End of discussion.
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Postby Former Principalities » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:35 am

In all my time on nationstates I have not found a thread dedicated to my genetic forebears... good show!

If I might suggest something.... perhaps a survey of which Slavic group users come from is in order?

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Postby Zahori » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:36 am

For Czechs the Slavic means nothing. It´s only relevant for Dark Ages and National Awaking and regarded as historical aspect. Apart from similar languages Slavicism has nothing in which we should be interested. It´s thing of the past and was used as a defensive response when Germans started their national stuff. Now we´re cool :)

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Postby Krasok » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:37 am

Kleomentia wrote:
Krasok wrote:
Mate atleast I and every Croat I know didn't get past it, its history thats their fault, im just saying that I think is true that alot of people hate them.

Maybe, but it's only because we were scened as horrible monsters. Yes, Milosevic was an idiot, do you think everyone here liked him? People despised him. Is the date "peti oktobar" familiar to you? People hated him for the war and he brought out police and tanks to the street to defend his own ass. We did terrible things, but so did the Croats. Don't go saying you are innocent in that war. End of discussion.


Mate I was in the war, im not going to lie that some croat soilders did bad things, but its fact that you did far more worse, there is to much badblood and the bad blood begins after WW1 and you brought it, before some one mentions ww2 we would have done such bad things if we were werent in a horrible position before ww2, and after ww2 you did far worse things. Im not going to argue but im just saying.

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Postby Novoslavija » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:40 am

Baltenstein wrote:Jokes aside, the eastern parts of modern Germany were former Slavic settlement areas. The name of the German capital "Berlin", propably has its roots in the Old Slavic word "Berl", meaning "swamp".

"Brandenburg" and "Lübeck" also have Slavic roots. :p

Kleomentia wrote:Maybe, Slavs and Germans(Germanians) have a long history together, good and bad. I even read in a book that a leader of the Holy Roman Empire was partly Slavic. That he was part a Luzicki( i don't know the word in English) Serb.

Lusatian/Sorbian?

There had also been Danish queens of Slavic extraction: Malmfred of Kiev, Tove of the Obotrites, Sophia of Minsk.
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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:41 am

Krasok wrote:
Kleomentia wrote:Maybe, but it's only because we were scened as horrible monsters. Yes, Milosevic was an idiot, do you think everyone here liked him? People despised him. Is the date "peti oktobar" familiar to you? People hated him for the war and he brought out police and tanks to the street to defend his own ass. We did terrible things, but so did the Croats. Don't go saying you are innocent in that war. End of discussion.


Mate I was in the war, im not going to lie that some croat soilders did bad things, but its fact that you did far more worse, there is to much badblood and the bad blood begins after WW1 and you brought it, before some one mentions ww2 we would have done such bad things if we were werent in a horrible position before ww2, and after ww2 you did far worse things. Im not going to argue but im just saying.

Yes, Milosevic did worst things. And we here got bombarded because of him. I agree it was the most useless and stupid war we were in. We are all one people and brothers. We have been together for centuries and i don't really see why he had to do that. There were of course some soldier idiots that did terrible things. But trust me, i heard terrifying things that your soldiers did to even Bosniaks from an uncle who was in the war. I think we should probably stop here, for the threads sake.
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