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Why is America far -right on the world stage?

Postby Keshetar » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:27 am

Why does NS think America deserves to be cracked about or even reviled because it's far right compared to the rest of the world? America is still a pretty good country isn't it? I'd like to discuss.

I'm am American who leans more towards the Republicans by the way. Even I can't stand our own religious quirks sometimes. I'd like it if the country provided useful government programs. Unfortunately lot of the policies of the US have failed.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:30 am

You seem to be asking two different questions with your title and your OP. Do you want to discuss why the US is as right wing as it is, or do you want to discuss why some people dislike America for being as right wing as it is?
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Postby Quintium » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:35 am

The United States is not at all right-wing on the world stage. The United States is, by now, idealistic and centre-left on the world stage, sending massive amounts of foreign aid (money, food, hospitals, schools, vehicles, vaccines) all over the world and being susceptible to calls for help from rebels that American politicians naively think want to remove dictators from power. If you want right-wing countries on the world stage, try India (which constantly threatens Pakistan with war over the border situation and Pakistani-funded terrorism), China (which is holding on rather bitterly to its western reaches, especially the lands of the Tibetans and the Uyghurs), Russia (which makes no secret of standing for the interests of ethnic Russians first and foremost) or Brazil (which, also, stands for its own interests).

What we see happening in the world today is a shift in power from the centre-left idealists who want to meddle with the idea that it'll make the world a better place (Europe, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada) to the nations that think the world would be a better place if every nation looked out primarily for its own interests (China, Russia, Brazil, India).
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Postby Serrenissima » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:36 am

America isn't "far right" on the ENTIRE world stage.

Most of the middle-east is further to the political right. Saudi Arabia is pretty much the epitome of the right.

The way it seems that way, is many American attitudes are far right compared to the rest of "the West." (By which I mean, the first-world countries that made up the opposition to the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War.) "The West" is what most of us here in the first world think of as "civilized, modern society." You don't find debates about things like Capital Punishment (it basically doesn't exist in the west outside America) or Abortion (where it's both available and not even debated almost anywhere else.) America tends to lag behind at accepting social change. (Treating homosexuals with respect, for instance) compared to most of the first world. America does change, though. For the first time ever, a majority of Americans now support gay marriage.

It's a bit jarring to me, because America used to be pulling the rest of the world with it in progressive social and political views. While America didn't invent democracy, it certainly popularized it. Deserving or not, America used to represent freedom to the rest of the world. Furthermore, segments of America (entertainment/Hollywood, for example), still lead the way in "liberalizing" the views of the rest of the world, too. The rest of America is just slower to accept it.

Flaws aside, America is still a great country to have in the world (and as my southern neighbor.) I visit it regularly, and love American culture. I dread the day when America is no longer the dominant economic power in the world.

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Postby Quintium » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:06 am

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I don't think internal social policies have anything to do with it. But on that note, most of the world is actually getting more conservative and more religious. The percentage of atheists in the world has dropped in the last decade, and in that you see that the divide between the West and the Rest is getting bigger and bigger. We're the polar opposite of the rest of the world in many ways. We are idealistic, the rest of the world is realistic. We are getting more progressive, the rest of the world is getting more conservative. We are getting less religious, the rest of the world is getting more religious.

A development like that is bound to have severe effects on our capacity to conduct negotiations and business on the world stage, especially because we're not all that popular as it is.
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Postby Keshetar » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:16 am

Serrenissima wrote:Flaws aside, America is still a great country to have in the world (and as my southern neighbor.) I visit it regularly, and love American culture. I dread the day when America is no longer the dominant economic power in the world.


Me too, I dread it with you.

Thing here, even though I do like to lean more toward US republicans, unlike them, I don't believe in making an issue from abortion or the death penalty. Is America doomed to "stay behind" the rest of the west forever?

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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:18 am

Your title and your OP don't really match.

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Postby Teemant » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:44 am

World is far left compared to America that's the problem. Socialist policies and populists ruining countries everywhere.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:53 am

Teemant wrote:World is far left compared to America that's the problem. Socialist policies and populists ruining countries everywhere.

Yes, the socialist boogeyman, dominant in less than a dozen countries. Oh noes.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:56 am

The title proposes a more interesting question than the OP.
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Postby Aggy plebs » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:21 am

Countries like russia are far right on the world stage. america isnt perfect but its much better than the alternatives right now

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Postby The Abomination Army » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:23 am

USA is run by old, white politicians and their corrupt corporations and thats that.

Oh, and to add to that: THEY'RE WHITE AND MALE.

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Postby Turmenista » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:24 am

The Abomination Army wrote:USA is run by old, white politicians and their corrupt corporations and thats that.

Oh, and to add to that: THEY'RE WHITE AND MALE.

<waiting to receive female president>


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Postby Aggy plebs » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:25 am

The Abomination Army wrote:USA is run by old, white politicians and their corrupt corporations and thats that.

Oh, and to add to that: THEY'RE WHITE AND MALE.

<waiting to receive female president>

and how does that link into being right wing?

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:26 am

So wait what's the question?
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:49 am

Keshetar wrote:Why does NS think America deserves to be cracked about or even reviled because it's far right compared to the rest of the world? America is still a pretty good country isn't it? I'd like to discuss.

I'm am American who leans more towards the Republicans by the way. Even I can't stand our own religious quirks sometimes. I'd like it if the country provided useful government programs. Unfortunately lot of the policies of the US have failed.

The fact that many American schools fail to teach basic scientific principles including evolution, being the only developed nation with no national healthcare system, and refusing to set a living wage for workers. Just to name a few.

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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:52 am

Clearly overcompensating for being so far left on the world map.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:54 am

The Holy Therns wrote:Clearly overcompensating for being so far left on the world map.

Stupid atlantocentric models.
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Postby Aggy plebs » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:55 am

The Holy Therns wrote:Clearly overcompensating for being so far left on the world map.

Only on the filthy eurocentric imperialist map

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Postby Osterreich-Bayern » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:57 am

The Abomination Army wrote:USA is run by old, white politicians and their corrupt corporations and thats that.

Oh, and to add to that: THEY'RE WHITE AND MALE.

<waiting to receive female president>

If anything saying you want a female president is sexist not the fact that white old people win. We have free elections if old white people win then it's because they were more popular.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:04 am

Please, America is far from the most right wing country in the world. A more appropriate comparison would be to other mature, liberal democracies.

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Postby Allegan County » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:15 am

Quintium wrote:The United States is not at all right-wing on the world stage. The United States is, by now, idealistic and centre-left on the world stage, sending massive amounts of foreign aid (money, food, hospitals, schools, vehicles, vaccines) all over the world and being susceptible to calls for help from rebels that American politicians naively think want to remove dictators from power. If you want right-wing countries on the world stage, try India (which constantly threatens Pakistan with war over the border situation and Pakistani-funded terrorism), China (which is holding on rather bitterly to its western reaches, especially the lands of the Tibetans and the Uyghurs), Russia (which makes no secret of standing for the interests of ethnic Russians first and foremost) or Brazil (which, also, stands for its own interests).

What we see happening in the world today is a shift in power from the centre-left idealists who want to meddle with the idea that it'll make the world a better place (Europe, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada) to the nations that think the world would be a better place if every nation looked out primarily for its own interests (China, Russia, Brazil, India).


Don't you think that sending aid is America's interest? After all, that's how a lot of countries buy support, including the ones you mentioned. Democratic America is far from being one of the most selfless countries out there.
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Postby Quintium » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:32 am

Allegan County wrote:Don't you think that sending aid is America's interest? After all, that's how a lot of countries buy support, including the ones you mentioned.


The ones I mentioned immediately make it clear that the aid is conditional on favorable trade deals for resources or for full military access and the placement of military bases. They make it clear that it's an arrangement that theoretically benefits both parties, and not unilateral help. America and Europe are the only two parts of the world where leaders really think they can sway people in poor countries to support them by sending them food, medicine and textbooks. And they're being repaid exactly as you would expect: by being used and then being reviled by the people they try to help. In a way, America and Europe are the world's suckers, taking the girl on an expensive date and then being left outside in the cold as she goes to her apartment to have sex with Russia, India, China and Brazil all at the same time. Because who gets the most favorable trade deals, and the most popularity in those countries? It's not America, and it's not Europe. For them, those countries reserve their scorn and blame and demands.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:35 am

Keshetar wrote:Why does NS think America deserves to be cracked about or even reviled because it's far right compared to the rest of the world? America is still a pretty good country isn't it? I'd like to discuss.

I'm am American who leans more towards the Republicans by the way. Even I can't stand our own religious quirks sometimes. I'd like it if the country provided useful government programs. Unfortunately lot of the policies of the US have failed.

If you want useful government programmes, the Republicans are traditionally the side you should lean away from.
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Postby Serrenissima » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:39 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:If you want useful government programmes, the Republicans are traditionally the side you should lean away from.


Except for the single-most-useful government program to both America and the rest of the world, NASA. While both parties have treated it poorly in recent decades, the Democrats are far more culpable for turning it into a shell of its former self than the Republicans.

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