How can you not be christian?

[Sagatagan]

I read the Edda, a "Pagan" book. That's how I found out that the Bible is a copycat work. Their whole idea of the Rapture aftermath is a 1:1 copy of the fight between Thor and the Fenris Wolf, just with Jesus and the Anti-Christ in their stead.

Since I do believe in copyrights and intellectual property rights, I cannot believe in the Bible.

So you're saying that a book from Norway was the basis for the bible? The first half of the bible is copied straight from the Torah (Show me proof the ancient hebrews had contact with Norway) , the writers of the new testament would probably have been romans who probably hadn't heard of Norway. As for revalations, thats a crazed man on an island tripping in the first or second century, I doubt he ever heard of Norway. Most religons creation legends are almost identical though.

Not to mention the fact most of the Edda Poems (if not all) seem to have been composed after the bible...

Plus, neither are copyrighted, so the intellectual property rights argument made in the first post on this quote thread is asinine.

[Farnhamia]

I read the Edda, a "Pagan" book. That's how I found out that the Bible is a copycat work. Their whole idea of the Rapture aftermath is a 1:1 copy of the fight between Thor and the Fenris Wolf, just with Jesus and the Anti-Christ in their stead.

Since I do believe in copyrights and intellectual property rights, I cannot believe in the Bible.

So you're saying that a book from Norway was the basis for the bible? The first half of the bible is copied straight from the Torah (Show me proof the ancient hebrews had contact with Norway) , the writers of the new testament would probably have been romans who probably hadn't heard of Norway. As for revalations, thats a crazed man on an island tripping in the first or second century, I doubt he ever heard of Norway. Most religons creation legends are almost identical though.

Not to mention the fact most of the Edda Poems (if not all) seem to have been composed after the bible...

Plus, neither are copyrighted, so the intellectual property rights argument made in the first post on this quote thread is asinine.

No, I heard the Bible was copied from some Egyptian guy named Horace or something. There's a movie about it, too, so it must be true. *nod*

[Myplaceyo]

I'm atheist (or rather agnostic I guess) simply because there is no proof of God as far as I am aware, and since Christianity is a faith -and proof denies faith- then there cannot ever be proof of Gods existence (in my own humble opinion). If there was ever any proof of Gods existence, then Christianity would no longer be considered a faith, but rather fact...

And see thats the problem people try to make up facts and reasons about why god isnt real but explain to me this how do you explain spirits then that people see because my step-mom and my step dad have seen demons before. Also there is proof the bible and also beliveing in god is all about faith hes not going to come down and show himself to you because then what would be the point to it rather than have you believe on your own and love and accept him wihtout him having to physicly sho you. Plus god does occur around you though hence "miracles" like if you get a promotion you think its luck but no its a miracle from god.

For exaple i had menangitis when i was 4 and menangitis has been known to kill teens and sometime adults who have stornger immune systems but yet i survived and i belie that was a miracle form god, that it wasnt my time to die yet, that he has somthing in store for me that he needs me to be alive still. Because believe it or not you have a purpose and you wont know it but somthing you do can maybe help wiht someone in the future which you will never know.

1. Science
2. Other religions believe in spirits, and, quite frankly, I've never seen them.
3. There are plenty of books on Atheism, Buddhism, Islam, Neo-Paganism, Judaism, Hinduism, and every other "Ism" you could think of.
4. If you get a promotion, you work hard for it, god doesn't have a miracle.
5. Your meningitis was clearly TREATED. By DOCTORS, not god.
6. If I have a purpose, clearly it has nothing to do with Jesus.

[Self--Esteem]

I read the Edda, a "Pagan" book. That's how I found out that the Bible is a copycat work. Their whole idea of the Rapture aftermath is a 1:1 copy of the fight between Thor and the Fenris Wolf, just with Jesus and the Anti-Christ in their stead.

Since I do believe in copyrights and intellectual property rights, I cannot believe in the Bible.

So you're saying that a book from Norway was the basis for the bible? The first half of the bible is copied straight from the Torah (Show me proof the ancient hebrews had contact with Norway) , the writers of the new testament would probably have been romans who probably hadn't heard of Norway. As for revalations, thats a crazed man on an island tripping in the first or second century, I doubt he ever heard of Norway. Most religons creation legends are almost identical though.

First of: I think the Bible plagiarizes more than one book (and yes. I am aware that the first part is stripped off the Torah)

Secondly, pedlars have existed for a long time. Chances are one went to the more northern regions and came back with Scandinavian tales.

Quite a few traditions are stolen from the northern culture, as well. Never wondered what Christmas -- the birthday of Jesus Christ -- has to do with trees?

[Bavungria]

Alright. I didn't read the rest of this thread, so don't blame me if I repeat someone else.

I understand that Religion is your philosophy, or way to go through life being happy, but let me tell you why questioning your own philosophy is a vital part of understanding it.

Let's go through a thought experiment. Let's say that one guy once told me not to think about what could have happened better in my past, and I immediately use this as my philosophy without question. This makes me a little happy. But soon, by following this philosophy and not thinking about the past, I don't learn from my mistakes. I decide to ignore this, since I am so fanatically devoted to my philosophy and don't even dare to question it. This is my mistake. If I were to analyse this way of life, I would find that it's point is that there is no use in wasting time thinking about things that upset you. This means that I can still think about what could have been, as long as it's not a waste of time, i.e. to learn from my mistakes. Therefore, questioning your philosophy, or, "having a lack of faith", as some people might call it, leads to progressions in the pursuit of happiness. If you want a more relevant example, question one of the many philosophies religion offers, like not having sex before marriage, find it's point, and follow it.

i kind of believe this to a certain extent. although i am not all that religious either.

[Farnhamia]

I read the Edda, a "Pagan" book. That's how I found out that the Bible is a copycat work. Their whole idea of the Rapture aftermath is a 1:1 copy of the fight between Thor and the Fenris Wolf, just with Jesus and the Anti-Christ in their stead.

Since I do believe in copyrights and intellectual property rights, I cannot believe in the Bible.

So you're saying that a book from Norway was the basis for the bible? The first half of the bible is copied straight from the Torah (Show me proof the ancient hebrews had contact with Norway) , the writers of the new testament would probably have been romans who probably hadn't heard of Norway. As for revalations, thats a crazed man on an island tripping in the first or second century, I doubt he ever heard of Norway. Most religons creation legends are almost identical though.

First of: I think the Bible plagiarizes more than one book (and yes. I am aware that the first part is stripped off the Torah)

Secondly, pedlars have existed for a long time. Chances are one went to the more northern regions and came back with Scandinavian tales.

Quite a few traditions are stolen from the northern culture, as well. Never wondered what Christmas -- the birthday of Jesus Christ -- has to do with trees?

That something is possible doesn't mean it happened. And I honestly don't see a pedlar's tales being taken up by the adherents of what was then a quite small offshoot of Judaism. The resemblances between Norse mythology and Revelations are superficial. What is there besides a battle at the end?

As for Christianity and trees, that came in after Northern Europe was converted, not before.

[Baby Smashers]

I choose not to believe in religion because I personally feel it's stupid. There is more evidence that a rock on the sidewalk could be a supernatural being instead of "God". Also the scientific evidence behind evolution make their topic seem....I dunno....LOGICAL, rather than believing that "God" created everyone at his own whim.

[Bavungria]

I choose not to believe in religion because I personally feel it's stupid. There is more evidence that a rock on the sidewalk could be a supernatural being instead of "God". Also the scientific evidence behind evolution make their topic seem....I dunno....LOGICAL, rather than believing that "God" created everyone at his own whim.

this is a good point but but you must remember science is ever changing. By ever changing i mean some facts know might be proven long later. for example in the old people thought things floated due to there shape i.e circles. To the contrary it was due to the substance and all those good things. some guy a famous scientist his name escapes me at the moment proved to the people it was the substance not the shape by placing jagged pieace of ice in the water and it floated.

[Self--Esteem]

I read the Edda, a "Pagan" book. That's how I found out that the Bible is a copycat work. Their whole idea of the Rapture aftermath is a 1:1 copy of the fight between Thor and the Fenris Wolf, just with Jesus and the Anti-Christ in their stead.

Since I do believe in copyrights and intellectual property rights, I cannot believe in the Bible.

So you're saying that a book from Norway was the basis for the bible? The first half of the bible is copied straight from the Torah (Show me proof the ancient hebrews had contact with Norway) , the writers of the new testament would probably have been romans who probably hadn't heard of Norway. As for revalations, thats a crazed man on an island tripping in the first or second century, I doubt he ever heard of Norway. Most religons creation legends are almost identical though.

First of: I think the Bible plagiarizes more than one book (and yes. I am aware that the first part is stripped off the Torah)

Secondly, pedlars have existed for a long time. Chances are one went to the more northern regions and came back with Scandinavian tales.

Quite a few traditions are stolen from the northern culture, as well. Never wondered what Christmas -- the birthday of Jesus Christ -- has to do with trees?

That something is possible doesn't mean it happened. And I honestly don't see a pedlar's tales being taken up by the adherents of what was then a quite small offshoot of Judaism. The resemblances between Norse mythology and Revelations are superficial. What is there besides a battle at the end?

As for Christianity and trees, that came in after Northern Europe was converted, not before.

Good point for not being Christian. Seriously, if people believe that there is a man in the sky, why is it so hard for them to believe that a pedlar brought tales from the north?

Also, why shouldn't they take it up? I thought Jesus was a man of the people, was he not?

[1337tonia]

Good lord, who dug this thread up from the dirt? Didn't I already answer the question originally stated, and mock the poster? I beleive I did. This thread should be lit on fire and burned to the ground; it's ashes, scattered to the wind.

[Skaladora]

This is a good point but but you must remember science is ever changing. By ever changing i mean some facts know might be proven long later.

And religion isn't?

[Novograd IV]

Good lord, who dug this thread up from the dirt? Didn't I already answer the question originally stated, and mock the poster? I beleive I did. This thread should be lit on fire and burned to the ground; it's ashes, scattered to the wind.

just what i came to say. [XTREME irony] WHO THE HELL KEEPS NECROMANCING CHRISTAN THREADS?! [/XTREME irony]

let it die...

[Novograd IV]

This is a good point but but you must remember science is ever changing. By ever changing i mean some facts know might be proven long later.

And religion isn't?

no, religion is a stubourn ass that never moves from its place. the only real change in christianity was the new testament... we all know how that turned out.

OT = and he did smite down the non-believers
NT = and he did go unto the non-believers and did show love, and they did not pull out thier ebil mozlem AKs and they did love back...

[Scarsaw]

This is a good point but but you must remember science is ever changing. By ever changing i mean some facts know might be proven long later.

And religion isn't?

no, religion is a stubourn ass that never moves from its place. the only real change in christianity was the new testament... we all know how that turned out.

OT = and he did smite down the non-believers
NT = and he did go unto the non-believers and did show love, and they did not pull out thier ebil mozlem AKs and they did love back...

So Christians still burn witches? *grabs a torch* I'm going to like this.

[Farnhamia]

I read the Edda, a "Pagan" book. That's how I found out that the Bible is a copycat work. Their whole idea of the Rapture aftermath is a 1:1 copy of the fight between Thor and the Fenris Wolf, just with Jesus and the Anti-Christ in their stead.

Since I do believe in copyrights and intellectual property rights, I cannot believe in the Bible.

So you're saying that a book from Norway was the basis for the bible? The first half of the bible is copied straight from the Torah (Show me proof the ancient hebrews had contact with Norway) , the writers of the new testament would probably have been romans who probably hadn't heard of Norway. As for revalations, thats a crazed man on an island tripping in the first or second century, I doubt he ever heard of Norway. Most religons creation legends are almost identical though.

First of: I think the Bible plagiarizes more than one book (and yes. I am aware that the first part is stripped off the Torah)

Secondly, pedlars have existed for a long time. Chances are one went to the more northern regions and came back with Scandinavian tales.

Quite a few traditions are stolen from the northern culture, as well. Never wondered what Christmas -- the birthday of Jesus Christ -- has to do with trees?

That something is possible doesn't mean it happened. And I honestly don't see a pedlar's tales being taken up by the adherents of what was then a quite small offshoot of Judaism. The resemblances between Norse mythology and Revelations are superficial. What is there besides a battle at the end?

As for Christianity and trees, that came in after Northern Europe was converted, not before.

Good point for not being Christian. Seriously, if people believe that there is a man in the sky, why is it so hard for them to believe that a pedlar brought tales from the north?

Also, why shouldn't they take it up? I thought Jesus was a man of the people, was he not?

You're ignoring the distances between Palestine and Scandinavia, the difficulty of traveling through North Europe beyond the borders of the Roman Empire in the 1st century, and the very low probability that even if our Wandering Pedlar did make it to Scandinavia and back, that he would have met any early Christians on his return. Remember, Jesus did not write any part of the New Testament. Some Christian did between about 69 and 95 CE.

Could have happened? Sure, why not? A good theory to explain the superficial resemblance between Ragnarök and Armageddon? Not really, no.

[Franca-Liria]

Because religion is not scientific, it cannot be proven, and it is a magical approach to explaining natural phenomenon, unlike science, which seeks to explain things through rationality.

Personally, I think that religion is a bad thing that causes pointless wars over who has the correct holy relic and whose crazy man in a cave is more correct, which translator did a better job translating the holy texts, which god is the real god, etc., etc. If there was no religion, then we could all be humanist and put these pointless, costly conflicts behind us and move on to more important things, like you know, exploring the known universe and advancing science. Imagine the progress we could have if all of the priests and clergy and monks were instead scientists, doctors, or other workers.

[Milks Empire]

My question is how can you not be christian.

Very easily. I wasn't one for most of my life.

People who are athiest, I believe say there is no god as an excuse for them to get away wiht something they know is a sin.

What did this poor guy ever do to you?

Also people who belive Obama is the Anti-Christ, I can see this to some point *snip*

Are you fucking kidding me?

Overall, I call troll.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

How the fuck DARE these people not be Christian?!

I mean, look at these pictures of Christians!






Compare your life to these men and then kill yourselves.

I have yet to see a rebuttal to this.

[Bavungria]

This is a good point but but you must remember science is ever changing. By ever changing i mean some facts know might be proven long later.

And religion isn't?

religion isnèt what ever changingÉ i would say it depends on the religion but this argument i said could easily be turned agaisnt me but it still stands

[Scarsaw]

I have yet to see a rebuttal to this.

That's because being Christian isn't why they are good and a person from any faith (or lack there of) could do the same. In addition, for every man you give, I can give one that is just as good that isn't Christian. That's why no one gave a rebuttal to that.

[South Qantar]

lol'd at this entire thread. I'm surprised it lasted so many pages.

[Novograd IV]

This is a good point but but you must remember science is ever changing. By ever changing i mean some facts know might be proven long later.

And religion isn't?

no, religion is a stubourn ass that never moves from its place. the only real change in christianity was the new testament... we all know how that turned out.

OT = and he did smite down the non-believers
NT = and he did go unto the non-believers and did show love, and they did not pull out thier ebil mozlem AKs and they did love back...

So Christians still burn witches? *grabs a torch* I'm going to like this.

no that's illegal in modern civilisation... *runs away to mozlemland*

[Bavungria]

Because religion is not scientific, it cannot be proven, and it is a magical approach to explaining natural phenomenon, unlike science, which seeks to explain things through rationality.

Personally, I think that religion is a bad thing that causes pointless wars over who has the correct holy relic and whose crazy man in a cave is more correct, which translator did a better job translating the holy texts, which god is the real god, etc., etc. If there was no religion, then we could all be humanist and put these pointless, costly conflicts behind us and move on to more important things, like you know, exploring the known universe and advancing science. Imagine the progress we could have if all of the priests and clergy and monks were instead scientists, doctors, or other workers.

my friend every war is not caused by religion however that being said many have. i do not believe wars would have been reduced in the past if religion was not present. you are correct about religion halting science especially in the past when they had power and i am sad about that.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

I have yet to see a rebuttal to this.

That's because being Christian isn't why they are good and a person from any faith (or lack there of) could do the same. In addition, for every man you give, I can give one that is just as good that isn't Christian. That's why no one gave a rebuttal to that.

Well, sure, I mean... I guess there are good Chucks, but only a couple come to mind. I mean, I listed 4 friggin' Christians off the top of my head and they're all brilliant at what they do!

[Rada Rada]

I don't believe in religion, but I especially don't believe in Christianity. Now I don't think people who are devoutly christian are crazy or idiotic; I happen to know several people like this and they are very wise, open minded people. And I also happen to agree with some of their ideals--being kind to your neighbor, love your enemy, etc. But it's just the whole "Homosexuals are immoral" and "Anyone who doesn't believe in our ideals will burn in hell" stuff that disturbs me.

On a side note, could someone explain to me what happened to the millions of people who lived in the Americas from about 33AD to, like, the 16th century? I'd be interested to find out, Because those people had absolutely no chance of knowing about Christianity.