Protection from Male Genital Mutilation

[The Associated Peoples]

How do I go about submitting it?

Submit a proposalThis link here will take you to it.Make sure you read the FAQ first.FAQ and the rules Rules for GA Proposalsand the Q and A wouldn't hurtGA Proposals Q&A

Don't get mad at me people Nulono would have found it eventually and at least this way maybe they will read the relevant material first.

Dagnabit I forgot this one The World Assembly Reference Guide Actually besides the proposal submitting link this is the only other link you need all the other links are in it plus some.

There is no possible way that you read any of this before submitting.I guess that just goes to show that the old saying is true..."You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it."I am actually quite disappointed that I went out of my way to point you towards the information that you need in order to write and submit a successful proposal and you spurned it entirely.Especially seeing as how I am opposed to more than one of your proposal drafts.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

We have a problem with this: what about member states who use chemical castration on sex offenders to stop them from repeating their crimes?

[Nulono]

Submit a proposalThis link here will take you to it.Make sure you read the FAQ first.FAQ and the rules Rules for GA Proposalsand the Q and A wouldn't hurtGA Proposals Q&A

Don't get mad at me people Nulono would have found it eventually and at least this way maybe they will read the relevant material first.

Dagnabit I forgot this one The World Assembly Reference Guide Actually besides the proposal submitting link this is the only other link you need all the other links are in it plus some.

There is no possible way that you read any of this before submitting.I guess that just goes to show that the old saying is true..."You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it."I am actually quite disappointed that I went out of my way to point you towards the information that you need in order to write and submit a successful proposal and you spurned it entirely.Especially seeing as how I am opposed to more than one of your proposal drafts.

What in my proposal do you object to?

[Intellect and the Arts]

I repeatedly provided a phrase that would equate to an adequate compromise for most parties involved. I have provided advice on spacing so that delegates would be more likely to read what is said as well as formatting that would make it clear what is preamble and what is not. I have argued and counter-argued several points that appear to have been fully ignored simply because I disagree on certain particular points. Short of simply re-writing the proposal at hand into what I think would be at least a slightly better approach and presenting it for consideration, I am at a loss to what else I could possibly contribute and am very close to abandoning this topic entirely.

[Nulono]

The phrase that you suggested would have allowed MGM and was therefore unacceptable.

[The Associated Peoples]

There is no possible way that you read any of this before submitting.I guess that just goes to show that the old saying is true..."You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it."I am actually quite disappointed that I went out of my way to point you towards the information that you need in order to write and submit a successful proposal and you spurned it entirely.Especially seeing as how I am opposed to more than one of your proposal drafts.

What in my proposal do you object to?

I believe I made my objections clear earlier and see no need to repeat them to one that rejects freely given advise out of hand.My part in this debate is completed.Good day to you sir.

I do however have one question...I was unfamiliar with the word teterogen did you by chance mean teratogen.

[Nulono]

I do however have one question...I was unfamiliar with the word teterogen did you by chance mean teratogen.

Crud, you're right. I did a Google search and saw results, but didn't notice it did that annoying automatic correction thing.

[Intellect and the Arts]

The phrase that you suggested would have allowed MGM and was therefore unacceptable.

Have you ever considered that there exist perspectives other than your own and equally as valid, or do you claim infallible omniscience by virtue of the houseboat you lovingly inhabit on de Nial?

[Ash Sham]

This supposed male "genital mutilation" which includes circumcision happens to drastically reduce the chance of spreading the pandemic HIV and has been part of religious practices for the last 10 millennia. So if this resolution is affirmed, it would infringe on people's religious traditions and state of health, as most more matured males would not receive circumcision since they have developed more nerve endings, and what not, then a newborn. Also, a corrective surgery for pseudo-hermaphroditic children would technically be considered genital mutilation. Would you like a child to suffer such unnatural confusion because you don't think it's right their sexual organ was made definitive?

Overall, this proposal is bad and it will fail at the polls, if not with the WA Delegates.

[GeneralHaNor]

The phrase that you suggested would have allowed MGM and was therefore unacceptable.

Have you ever considered that there exist perspectives other than your own and equally as valid, or do you claim infallible omniscience by virtue of the houseboat you lovingly inhabit on de Nial?

de nial is lovely, however I prefer to live in the people's republic of righteous indignitation

[Flibbleites]

The phrase that you suggested would have allowed MGM and was therefore unacceptable.

See, you just admitted it, this isn't about "consent" this is about banning a practice you don't like.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Nulono]

This supposed male "genital mutilation" which includes circumcision happens to drastically reduce the chance of spreading the pandemic HIV and has been part of religious practices for the last 10 millennia. So if this resolution is affirmed, it would infringe on people's religious traditions and state of health, as most more matured males would not receive circumcision since they have developed more nerve endings, and what not, then a newborn. Also, a corrective surgery for pseudo-hermaphroditic children would technically be considered genital mutilation. Would you like a child to suffer such unnatural confusion because you don't think it's right their sexual organ was made definitive?

Overall, this proposal is bad and it will fail at the polls, if not with the WA Delegates.

Tradition does not give you the right to mutilate someone's genitals.

[Nulono]

The phrase that you suggested would have allowed MGM and was therefore unacceptable.

See, you just admitted it, this isn't about "consent" this is about banning a practice you don't like.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

MGM, as defined in this proposal, is male genital modification done without consent.

[Flibbleites]

See, you just admitted it, this isn't about "consent" this is about banning a practice you don't like.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

MGM, as defined in this proposal, is male genital modification done without consent.

And I think that the WA has better things to be doing with its time than worrying about little boys getting their tips snipped.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Nulono]

MGM, as defined in this proposal, is male genital modification done without consent.

And I think that the WA has better things to be doing with its time than worrying about little boys getting their tips snipped.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

The right to not have your genitals mutilated is a pretty important right.

[Grays Harbor]

And I think that the WA has better things to be doing with its time than worrying about little boys getting their tips snipped.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

The right to not have your genitals mutilated is a pretty important right.

Enough with the broken record act! It has been amply demonstrated that you are virtually alone in this position. You have consistently lied, obfuscated and misdirected every legitimate argument, and all because of your own arrogant belief that you are the only one who knows "the truth" and that what you believe it the one and only path.

Well, enough, already. We are damned tired of hearing your "We don't like it so Ban It!" arguments. This will never pass. Never. That it has even the single endorsement it does quite frankly surprises us.

[Intellect and the Arts]

That it has even the single endorsement it does quite frankly surprises us.

It really shouldn't. You've been around long enough that you ought to remember the list of Delegates known to approve everything that appears in the bucket, no matter what, as well as those that argue that everything should go before the floor. You know, the direct democracy people.

Nulono, you need to understand that any legislation you propose to the Assembly is something that will, if it passes, affect every single resident of every single nation under the Assembly's jurisdiction. This means that it is in your best interests to figure out a way to work with the populace rather than against them, as you can do nothing without their support.

If you cannot make the majority of the vote count happy, you are destined to fail. There's no way around it. This is why I emphasize compromise. It won't be perfect for your purposes, but isn't a partial success better than no success at all?

[Nulono]

Anyone who wants to be circumcised is welcome to. This proposal simply requires consent.

[Intellect and the Arts]

Anyone who wants to be circumcised is welcome to. This proposal simply requires consent.

Then what you need to realize is that any nation wishing to circumvent your proposal simply needs to declare the lives of male infants to be at risk due to the risk of infection if they are not circumcised.

Also, I encourage you to read my earlier post regarding the formatting of your proposal. Technically, everyone and his brother could decide that all phrases prior to "OUTLAWS..." are simple preamble and therefore not legally binding. This means all your proposal does is outlaw something called "MGM", which nations are free to define as Malignant Geriatric Motorcycles if they so please.

The law is what the law says.

[Nulono]

Anyone who wants to be circumcised is welcome to. This proposal simply requires consent.

Then what you need to realize is that any nation wishing to circumvent your proposal simply needs to declare the lives of male infants to be at risk due to the risk of infection if they are not circumcised.

Also, I encourage you to read my earlier post regarding the formatting of your proposal. Technically, everyone and his brother could decide that all phrases prior to "OUTLAWS..." are simple preamble and therefore not legally binding. This means all your proposal does is outlaw something called "MGM", which nations are free to define as Malignant Geriatric Motorcycles if they so please.

The law is what the law says.

A nation does not have the right to simply ignore whatever parts of a resolution they don't like.

[Intellect and the Arts]

Then what you need to realize is that any nation wishing to circumvent your proposal simply needs to declare the lives of male infants to be at risk due to the risk of infection if they are not circumcised.

Also, I encourage you to read my earlier post regarding the formatting of your proposal. Technically, everyone and his brother could decide that all phrases prior to "OUTLAWS..." are simple preamble and therefore not legally binding. This means all your proposal does is outlaw something called "MGM", which nations are free to define as Malignant Geriatric Motorcycles if they so please.

The law is what the law says.

A nation does not have the right to simply ignore whatever parts of a resolution they don't like.

They do if it's in the preamble. Preambles are not legally binding.

[Nulono]

A nation does not have the right to simply ignore whatever parts of a resolution they don't like.

They do if it's in the preamble. Preambles are not legally binding.

So they can just decide anything they don't like is preamble?

[Intellect and the Arts]

They do if it's in the preamble. Preambles are not legally binding.

So they can just decide anything they don't like is preamble?

No. Preamble is generally defined by verb tense and formatting. The reason everything before the "OUTLAWS..." could be considered preamble is because that statement is the first point at which the proposal uses an active verb tense instead of a gerund and is also the first point at which the proposal clearly orders something be done. I recommend you take a look at passed proposals and compare their format with yours so you can get a better grasp of how people discern when they're legally required to start paying attention.

EDIT: Alternately, I could restructure your draft for you to illustrate what I mean. Up to you.

[Nulono]

So they can just decide anything they don't like is preamble?

No. Preamble is generally defined by verb tense and formatting. The reason everything before the "OUTLAWS..." could be considered preamble is because that statement is the first point at which the proposal uses an active verb tense instead of a gerund and is also the first point at which the proposal clearly orders something be done. I recommend you take a look at passed proposals and compare their format with yours so you can get a better grasp of how people discern when they're legally required to start paying attention.

EDIT: Alternately, I could restructure your draft for you to illustrate what I mean. Up to you.

Sure, restructure away. As long as the content is the same.

[Lazeruz]

excuse me if i may interject i dont think the MGM is a good idea i like what it represents but the world is not quite ready for this kind of thing thank you