by Nulono » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:20 pm
The Nuclear Fist wrote:If all it it takes to count as a five star hotel in America is having air conditioning and not letting those who reside in it die of hyperthermia, you have shitty hotels.
Republika Jugoslavija wrote:Actually nuclear war is not the world ending scenario that many would have folks believe.
by Nulono » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:21 pm
The Nuclear Fist wrote:If all it it takes to count as a five star hotel in America is having air conditioning and not letting those who reside in it die of hyperthermia, you have shitty hotels.
Republika Jugoslavija wrote:Actually nuclear war is not the world ending scenario that many would have folks believe.
by GeneralHaNor » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:25 pm
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.
by Nulono » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:26 pm
The Nuclear Fist wrote:If all it it takes to count as a five star hotel in America is having air conditioning and not letting those who reside in it die of hyperthermia, you have shitty hotels.
Republika Jugoslavija wrote:Actually nuclear war is not the world ending scenario that many would have folks believe.
by Mahaj WA Seat » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:27 pm
Nulono wrote:On Male Genital Mutilation
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Nulono
Description:
ACKNOWLEDGING that opinions vary on male and female circumcision,
RECOGNIZING that many studies point to the negative side effects of modification of the genitals,
NOTING that WA Resolution #114 forbids the practice of female genital mutilation, and
FURTHER NOTING that the Charter of Civil Rights bans discrimination on the basis of gender,
The WA Assembly hereby adopts the following resolution.
1. Definitions
The term "male genital mutilation" (MGM) shall be defined to encompass the following when done without the informed, uncoerced consent of the male in question:
A. Castration, the removal of one or both testes, or parts thereof
B. Circumcision, the removal of all or part of the foreskin
C. Eviration, the removal of all or part of the penis
D. Vasectomies, the removal or cutting of the vas deferens
E. Chemical sterilizations, in which reproduction is permanently prevented by the introduction of chemicals
F. Any chemicals or drugs that, when taken during pregnancy or the functional equivalent thereof, have the teterogenous effect of inhibiting the development of the male genitalia
G. Any other modification of the male genitalia not specifically mentioned above
2. The WA prohibits any act of MGM in member states, save when it is absolutely necessary as a reaction to a clear and present threat to the male's life, or, in the case of Class F MGM, the sapient in which the male gestates.
ACKNOWLEDGING that opinions vary on male and female circumcision,
RECOGNIZING that many studies point to the negative side effects of modification of the genitals,
NOTING that WA Resolution #114 forbids the practice of female genital mutilation, and
FURTHER NOTING that the Charter of Civil Rights bans discrimination on the basis of gender,
DEFINES Male Genital Mutilation (MGM) as any modification of the Male Genitals,
OUTLAWS MGM that is done without consent in all WA member states.
Georgism wrote:Fuck off you cunt, I'm always nice.
NERVUN wrote:Yog zap!
Cool Egg Sandwich wrote:I am the Urinater..... I'll be back.
Jedi Utopians wrote:5) Now, saying that a nation couldn't be part of OPEC would be bold. AIPEC sounds like something you'd want to get checked out by a physician for.
by Seperate Vermont » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:28 pm
2. The WA prohibits any act of MGM in member states, save when it is absolutely necessary as a reaction to a clear and present threat to the male's life, or, in the case of Class F MGM, the sapient in which the male gestates.
Mahaj WA Seat wrote:Nulono wrote:On Male Genital Mutilation
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Nulono
Description:
ACKNOWLEDGING that opinions vary on male and female circumcision,
RECOGNIZING that many studies point to the negative side effects of modification of the genitals,
NOTING that WA Resolution #114 forbids the practice of female genital mutilation, and
FURTHER NOTING that the Charter of Civil Rights bans discrimination on the basis of gender,
The WA Assembly hereby adopts the following resolution.
1. Definitions
The term "male genital mutilation" (MGM) shall be defined to encompass the following when done without the informed, uncoerced consent of the male in question:
A. Castration, the removal of one or both testes, or parts thereof
B. Circumcision, the removal of all or part of the foreskin
C. Eviration, the removal of all or part of the penis
D. Vasectomies, the removal or cutting of the vas deferens
E. Chemical sterilizations, in which reproduction is permanently prevented by the introduction of chemicals
F. Any chemicals or drugs that, when taken during pregnancy or the functional equivalent thereof, have the teterogenous effect of inhibiting the development of the male genitalia
G. Any other modification of the male genitalia not specifically mentioned above
2. The WA prohibits any act of MGM in member states, save when it is absolutely necessary as a reaction to a clear and present threat to the male's life, or, in the case of Class F MGM, the sapient in which the male gestates.ACKNOWLEDGING that opinions vary on male and female circumcision,
RECOGNIZING that many studies point to the negative side effects of modification of the genitals,
NOTING that WA Resolution #114 forbids the practice of female genital mutilation, and
FURTHER NOTING that the Charter of Civil Rights bans discrimination on the basis of gender,
DEFINES Male Genital Mutilation (MGM) as any modification of the Male Genitals without consent from the person who's genitals are being modified,
OUTLAWS MGM In all WA member states.
just do this and be done.
by Nulono » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:34 pm
I don't know what that means.Seperate Vermont wrote:I can see this being a fair proposal. I agree, it's format could be improved, but that is the liberty of a Draft.2. The WA prohibits any act of MGM in member states, save when it is absolutely necessary as a reaction to a clear and present threat to the male's life, or, in the case of Class F MGM, the sapient in which the male gestates.
Perhaps also include "Or when consent is assumed as proper under domestic law"? I find it would be a better wording of that statement, and be more inclusive and serve the overall draft's better purpose, if you wanted to include something like this.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:If all it it takes to count as a five star hotel in America is having air conditioning and not letting those who reside in it die of hyperthermia, you have shitty hotels.
Republika Jugoslavija wrote:Actually nuclear war is not the world ending scenario that many would have folks believe.
by Seperate Vermont » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:39 pm
save when it is absolutely necessary as a reaction to a clear and present threat to the male's life
when consent is assumed as proper under domestic law
by Mahaj WA Seat » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:39 pm
Nulono wrote:I don't know what that means.Seperate Vermont wrote:I can see this being a fair proposal. I agree, it's format could be improved, but that is the liberty of a Draft.
Perhaps also include "Or when consent is assumed as proper under domestic law"? I find it would be a better wording of that statement, and be more inclusive and serve the overall draft's better purpose, if you wanted to include something like this.
Georgism wrote:Fuck off you cunt, I'm always nice.
NERVUN wrote:Yog zap!
Cool Egg Sandwich wrote:I am the Urinater..... I'll be back.
Jedi Utopians wrote:5) Now, saying that a nation couldn't be part of OPEC would be bold. AIPEC sounds like something you'd want to get checked out by a physician for.
by Nulono » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:45 pm
Seperate Vermont wrote:save when it is absolutely necessary as a reaction to a clear and present threat to the male's life
^This could actually change Domestic policy, or suggests it in wordingwhen consent is assumed as proper under domestic law
Does not.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:If all it it takes to count as a five star hotel in America is having air conditioning and not letting those who reside in it die of hyperthermia, you have shitty hotels.
Republika Jugoslavija wrote:Actually nuclear war is not the world ending scenario that many would have folks believe.
by Mahaj WA Seat » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:58 pm
Vitoriasa wrote:This is absolutely not an international issue.
Attempts at resolutions banning/outlawing this practice have been struck down countless times. Vitoriasa will not show any support in this issue.
Georgism wrote:Fuck off you cunt, I'm always nice.
NERVUN wrote:Yog zap!
Cool Egg Sandwich wrote:I am the Urinater..... I'll be back.
Jedi Utopians wrote:5) Now, saying that a nation couldn't be part of OPEC would be bold. AIPEC sounds like something you'd want to get checked out by a physician for.
by GeneralHaNor » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:10 pm
Victorious Decepticons wrote:If they said "this is what you enjoy so do this" and handed me a stack of my favorite video games, then it'd be far different. But governments don't work that way. They'd hand me a dishrag...
And I'd hand them an insurgency.
Trotskylvania wrote:Don't kid yourself. The state is a violent, destructive institution of class dictatorship. The fact that the proles have bargained themselves the drippings from their master's plates doesn't legitimize the state.
by Seperate Vermont » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:16 pm
by The Rich Port » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:21 pm
by Nulono » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:25 pm
Seperate Vermont wrote:Nulono wrote:What do you mean it could change domestic policy?
It could be seen as a loophole to instate that consent must be obtained in all situations if the loose definition "may cause harm" is subjectively used. By domestic law enables the same thing, and in a domestically agreeable way.
The Rich Port wrote:Well... While The Rich Port will not outright outlaw circumcision (it's a hygiene thing), it will vote FOR after you clean it up.
We have enough double standards in the world.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:If all it it takes to count as a five star hotel in America is having air conditioning and not letting those who reside in it die of hyperthermia, you have shitty hotels.
Republika Jugoslavija wrote:Actually nuclear war is not the world ending scenario that many would have folks believe.
by The Rich Port » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:31 pm
Nulono wrote:This bill does not ban circumcision, or any form of genital modification for that matter. It merely prohibits forcing it on anyone without consent.
by Nulono » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:38 pm
The Nuclear Fist wrote:If all it it takes to count as a five star hotel in America is having air conditioning and not letting those who reside in it die of hyperthermia, you have shitty hotels.
Republika Jugoslavija wrote:Actually nuclear war is not the world ending scenario that many would have folks believe.
by Seperate Vermont » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:39 pm
The proposal specifically allows FGM only in life-threatening cases
by The Rich Port » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:40 pm
Nulono wrote:If the foreskin must be removed to save the child's life, it is permissible. It sounds like basic hygiene should solve the problem of fungi.
by Seperate Vermont » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:42 pm
ACKNOWLEDGING that opinions vary on male and female circumcision,
RECOGNIZING that many studies point to the negative side effects of modification of the genitals,
NOTING that WA Resolution #114 forbids the practice of female genital mutilation, and
FURTHER NOTING that the Charter of Civil Rights bans discrimination on the basis of gender,
DEFINES Male Genital Mutilation (MGM) as any modification of the Male Genitals without consent from the person whose genitals are being modified
PROVIDING that MGM may be permitted if it is in the opinion of at least three qualified medical professionals that it is necessary to save the life of the male (or, if the MGM were to be caused by a teterogen, the person in which the male currently gestates),
OUTLAWS MGM In all WA member states.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:44 pm
NOTING that WA Resolution #114 forbids the practice of female genital mutilation, and
FURTHER NOTING that the Charter of Civil Rights bans discrimination on the basis of gender,
by Nulono » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:51 pm
I don't understand.Seperate Vermont wrote:The proposal specifically allows FGM only in life-threatening cases
But it leaves a loophole in definition when you read the text, and may in fact deviate domestic policy from what is defined as "emergency consent" to what is just an emergency, and thus require it.
The Rich Port wrote:Nulono wrote:If the foreskin must be removed to save the child's life, it is permissible. It sounds like basic hygiene should solve the problem of fungi.
Naturally, but some countries don't have a hygiene standard, at least for their "lesser" folk. This kind of legislature is necessary for such folk.
We would most definitely be willing to go all the way and ban it outright if you make it stricter.
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:NOTING that WA Resolution #114 forbids the practice of female genital mutilation, and
FURTHER NOTING that the Charter of Civil Rights bans discrimination on the basis of gender,
These are house of cards violations. It should be able to survive the repeal of such resolutions.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:If all it it takes to count as a five star hotel in America is having air conditioning and not letting those who reside in it die of hyperthermia, you have shitty hotels.
Republika Jugoslavija wrote:Actually nuclear war is not the world ending scenario that many would have folks believe.
by Seperate Vermont » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:52 pm
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:NOTING that WA Resolution #114 forbids the practice of female genital mutilation, and
FURTHER NOTING that the Charter of Civil Rights bans discrimination on the basis of gender,
These are house of cards violations. It should be able to survive the repeal of such resolutions.
by Intellect and the Arts » Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:01 pm
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