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Ex-Nation

Postby Eireann Fae WA Mission » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:11 am

Alimantuan wrote:
Eireann Fae WA Mission wrote:(OOC: I spent all that time on that post for this? -.- At least it's less trollish than your other recent posts, I guess...)
((OOC: Yes, yes you did. I apologize if you were expecting more. I just don't have the [patience|nontrollishness|intelligence].))


(OOC: I see.)
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Postby Alimantuan » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:17 am

Eireann Fae WA Mission wrote:
Alimantuan wrote:((OOC: Yes, yes you did. I apologize if you were expecting more. I just don't have the [patience|nontrollishness|intelligence].))


(OOC: I see.)

((OOC: Hey now I have all of those things. I just don't have an attention span capable of long things when it is 1:16 am.))

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Postby The Most Glorious Hack » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:06 am

Alimantuan wrote:NHS threaten our existence through simply the simple act of being in our nations with the same rights as people.
I take personal offense at this statement. I haven't ravaged a village since before the last ice age. And frankly, they deserved it. Shooting me with flaming arrows...

They will end up taking all of our jobs and are potentially dangerous.
This is silly. And not just your application of the qualifier "potentially". I am most certainly dangerous, but that's beside the point. Anyone can take a job, and if the non-human does a better job, why shouldn't they be hired?

Who is to say that this rare anthropomorphic sentient canine won't eat my children?
They aren't so rare in the Hack, but that's beside the point. Non-humans hardly have a monopoly on atrocities committed to those of other species. To say nothing of the horrors that humans are so masterful at inflicting upon themselves. Perhaps we should ban humans.

They were given to us, not strange beings from various planes and planets.
Your hubris is astounding. I am not from other plane or planet. I was born on this very planet. And, I might add, long before you or yours were. Perhaps I should ask the WA to strip humans of their rights. From where I'm perched, you're all a bunch of Johnny-come-latelys, usurpers, and, frankly, savages.



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Postby The Floor Kippers » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:13 am

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Postby Zeltros WA Mission » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:40 am

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:44 am

Hey... I dunno if it's me, but has anyone noticed the fucking dragon in the General Assembly?

And did you notice he made a whole lotta sense?
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:00 pm

Ms. S. Harper has never proven that non-human species are worse than humans. Although the country has only RP humans for sake of simplicity, there is no intention of denying any rights of the human being to any non-human beings when such a time comes.

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Postby Kreanoltha » Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:03 pm

The Most Glorious Hack wrote:
Alimantuan wrote:NHS threaten our existence through simply the simple act of being in our nations with the same rights as people.
I take personal offense at this statement. I haven't ravaged a village since before the last ice age. And frankly, they deserved it. Shooting me with flaming arrows...


We've never revenged a village unless we're at war...

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They will end up taking all of our jobs and are potentially dangerous.
This is silly. And not just your application of the qualifier "potentially". I am most certainly dangerous, but that's beside the point. Anyone can take a job, and if the non-human does a better job, why shouldn't they be hired?


A kitchen knife in the wrong hands in dangerous. Should we ban cutlery as well? Also as the drake said if we can do the job better is that not a sign of superiority?

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Who is to say that this rare anthropomorphic sentient canine won't eat my children?
They aren't so rare in the Hack, but that's beside the point. Non-humans hardly have a monopoly on atrocities committed to those of other species. To say nothing of the horrors that humans are so masterful at inflicting upon themselves. Perhaps we should ban humans.


Why ban humans? Let's let them stick around for a while and eventually they'll have a few more holocausts and drive themselves to extinction. I know of no races that kill themselves by the thousands in atrocities bereft of reason.

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They were given to us, not strange beings from various planes and planets.
Your hubris is astounding. I am not from other plane or planet. I was born on this very planet. And, I might add, long before you or yours were. Perhaps I should ask the WA to strip humans of their rights. From where I'm perched, you're all a bunch of Johnny-come-latelys, usurpers, and, frankly, savages.


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Postby Frenequesta » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:51 pm

Alimantuan wrote:General Assembly
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Control of NHS

My fellow WA members, I stand here before you because I am a human like any other. But such could not be the case within the next decade. Non-Human Sentients, here-on referred to as NHS, are increasing in numbers every day, threatening our rights as humans. Human Rights are just that, Human Rights not NHS Rights. NHS threaten our existence through simply the simple act of being in our nations with the same rights as people. They will end up taking all of our jobs and are potentially dangerous. Who is to say that this rare anthropomorphic sentient canine won't eat my children? I am not going to wait for it to happen. Think of our rights, our god given rights. They were given to us, not strange beings from various planes and planets. This Resolution, if voted upon, will stop all nations from giving rights to NHS and treat them like any other animal.


Lionel Ersthauer stood agape at this statement.

"My dear sir, if some rare anthropomorphic sentient canine did eat our children, we'd prosecute them like people. Sentience is what gives a being their rights; the ability to converse and understand at a reasonably intelligent level. You stereotype them all, most NHSs are not bloodthirsty or even sexually rabid. Frenequesta is a member of the CAAR and thus we cannot stand for this intolerant proposal."
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Postby Xenohumanity » Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:23 pm

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Postby Alimantuan » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:36 pm

Waking up Ragnvald Prokopy crawled up from the floor which he had unceremoniously fell on the last night.
"Wait what. More Freaks and Freak Allies? Whatever you guys can have Sentient Rights. We already said that. Just not Human Rights."

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Sucrati » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:50 pm

Alimantuan wrote:Waking up Ragnvald Prokopy crawled up from the floor which he had unceremoniously fell on the last night.
"Wait what. More Freaks and Freak Allies? Whatever you guys can have Sentient Rights. We already said that. Just not Human Rights."


Would you kindly go in detail of these so called human rights?
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Postby Eireann Fae WA Mission » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:15 pm

The sextet of sexy stewards of sensitivity and sufferance, sensing the skillful settlement of the essence of their sentiments as expressed with precision, proceed in silence to the passage from Assembly to Stranger's saloon.

(OOC: Yes, I did need a thesaurus for this post. I need more practice with alliteration :-)
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Postby Flibbleites » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:32 pm

The Rich Port wrote:Hey... I dunno if it's me, but has anyone noticed the fucking dragon in the General Assembly?

And did you notice he made a whole lotta sense?

Psst, she.

Alimantuan wrote:Waking up Ragnvald Prokopy crawled up from the floor which he had unceremoniously fell on the last night.

"Wait what. More Freaks and Freak Allies? Whatever you guys can have Sentient Rights. We already said that. Just not Human Rights."
You know what, the next time you have a thought, just let it go. Heck at this time I'm not sure you're human, I've seen cavemen with more humanity that you've exhibited so far.

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Eireann Fae WA Mission
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Postby Eireann Fae WA Mission » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:55 pm

Returning to the affairs of the Assembly, this is the chamber that catches the Eireann Fae's Ambassador first. "Föe'böhünü-zöküʒü Milþiköpa...[1]" Alexandra nods her agreement. "Have other Fae representatives already made our position clear here? Because if they have not, I just got to say... No. Unequivocally. As a Human that lives as a minority in her homeland, I must say this is some of the most disgusting legislature I have ever seen..." The Faerie Ambassador nods curtly, arms crossed across her chest.

1 Pronounced "foh-eh-boh-hoo-noo-zoh-koo-zhu mil-thih-koh-pah". Literally, "This is probably what angered Milþiköpa..."
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Postby New Amerik » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:58 pm

At last, the unnamed delegate lost his cool. Bursting from the shadows from which he had been hidden, he declared, "This WA proposal is not only a sham compared to previous others I have witnessed, it is the view o only one person who has completely failed to adequately explain his separation of humans and non humans when it comes to rights. I declare this debate a farce, and by the power legally invested in me I will end your mockery of these misguided yet hallowed halls!"

He pulled an EPEP pistol, and gestured at the proposed with it wildly.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:15 pm

Flibbleites wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Hey... I dunno if it's me, but has anyone noticed the fucking dragon in the General Assembly?

And did you notice he made a whole lotta sense?

Psst, she.

Alimantuan wrote:Waking up Ragnvald Prokopy crawled up from the floor which he had unceremoniously fell on the last night.

"Wait what. More Freaks and Freak Allies? Whatever you guys can have Sentient Rights. We already said that. Just not Human Rights."
You know what, the next time you have a thought, just let it go. Heck at this time I'm not sure you're human, I've seen cavemen with more humanity that you've exhibited so far.

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:shock: :lol: :blush:

And by his measure, I think he'd take that as a compliment. At least he's not an awesome Salarian genius or something useful/horrible like that.
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Postby Xenohumanity » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:40 pm

New Amerik wrote:"I declare this debate a farce, and by the power legally invested in me I will end your mockery of these misguided yet hallowed halls!"

He pulled an EPEP pistol, and gestured at the proposed with it wildly.


The Holo-Droid standing as a proxy for the Drakonian WA Representative Apora Rania got up from his seat.

"HALT, DELEGATE."

Taking command of the floor with it's now-booming vocoder, it continued.

"We can allow his bigoted policies to fail like all the others, and we can intensify the screening process to prevent others like it, but bloodshed only begets bloodshed when it is done in hall of nations. This might be a 'farce', but 'tis better than a tribunal or, God forbid, the auto-da-fe for political blasphemers that you seek. If you fire..."

The droid's right hand disabled it's holography, revealing a crushingly strong, plasteel-taloned droid hand...

"... I cannot assure your safety. Please. Stand down and let this rather one-sided discussion on the affirmed sentience and rights-protection of non-humans such as myself continue.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:47 pm

Alimantuan wrote:Waking up Ragnvald Prokopy crawled up from the floor which he had unceremoniously fell on the last night.
"Wait what. More Freaks and Freak Allies? Whatever you guys can have Sentient Rights. We already said that. Just not Human Rights."


Take your xenophobia and kindly arrange placement in some bodily oriface, please. The only "freak" we have noticed here is you and your unsupported and insulting claims.
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Postby Xenohumanity » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:49 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Alimantuan wrote:Waking up Ragnvald Prokopy crawled up from the floor which he had unceremoniously fell on the last night.
"Wait what. More Freaks and Freak Allies? Whatever you guys can have Sentient Rights. We already said that. Just not Human Rights."


Take your xenophobia and kindly arrange placement in some bodily oriface, please. The only "freak" we have noticed here is you and your unsupported and insulting claims.


"Unwarranted. We're better than that. Be a paragon of civility and he might decide to stop fighting to keep his feeble 'argument' alive."
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:52 pm

Xenohumanity wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Take your xenophobia and kindly arrange placement in some bodily oriface, please. The only "freak" we have noticed here is you and your unsupported and insulting claims.


"Unwarranted. We're better than that. Be a paragon of civility and he might decide to stop fighting to keep his feeble 'argument' alive."


Paragon of civility? Really? We are a paragon of calling them as we see them, nothing more, nothing less.
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Postby Xenohumanity » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:54 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Xenohumanity wrote:
"Unwarranted. We're better than that. Be a paragon of civility and he might decide to stop fighting to keep his feeble 'argument' alive."


Paragon of civility? Really? We are a paragon of calling them as we see them, nothing more, nothing less.


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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:59 pm

We simply stated "some bodily oriface". That can include ears, noses, or any other opening. That you assume that means "self-sodomy" is no concern of ours. Our policy has always been zero tolerence for stupidity, we are sorry you take exception to that. Our policy, and the means of expressing our distaste or dislike for an idiotic proposal, shall not change.

Now, do you wish to continue pointing out the flaws of this lunacy, or continue kvetching about our means of expression? We would prefer the former.
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Postby Kreanoltha » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:22 pm

New Amerik wrote:"I declare this debate a farce, and by the power legally invested in me I will end your mockery of these misguided yet hallowed halls!"

He pulled an EPEP pistol, and gestured at the proposed with it wildly.


"Oh boy..." Lathanus, an elf who was actually present at the WA hall as a "observer," said. He quickly drew his concealed plasma mini-pistol and intercepted the Amerikan. "There is no need for violence yet. The proposal has no endorsements. Let the human make a fool of himself. It will only prove our point."
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Postby Xenohumanity » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:41 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:We simply stated "some bodily orifice". That can include ears, noses, or any other opening. That you assume that means "self-sodomy" is no concern of ours. Our policy has always been zero tolerance for stupidity, we are sorry you take exception to that. Our policy, and the means of expressing our distaste or dislike for an idiotic proposal, shall not change.

Now, do you wish to continue pointing out the flaws of this lunacy, or continue kvetching about our means of expression? We would prefer the former.


Musing for a second, Rania nodded.

"Let us continue tearing apart his argument before this New Amerikan fellow ends it for us."

Alimantuan wrote:My fellow WA members, I stand here before you because I am a human like any other. But such could not be the case within the next decade.


"Big... Red.. X... The fact that there are non-humans here puts him at a notable disadvantage in regards to winning the hearts and minds of the delegates."

Alimantuan wrote:But such could not be the case within the next decade. Non-Human Sentients, here-on referred to as NHS, are increasing in numbers every day, threatening our rights as humans.


"Maybe your anthromorphics have trouble with the law, but that's no reason to make blanket statements like that."

Alimantuan wrote:Human Rights are just that, Human Rights not NHS Rights.


*facepalms before the GA*
"You now take ownership of the concept of Innately Sentient Rights? Lord... Study up on some xeno-legal history and you'll find that 'furry cultures' have more often than not beaten you to the humanitarian punch in regards to ensuring the rights of all."

Alimantuan wrote:NHS threaten our existence through simply the simple act of being in our nations with the same rights as people. They will end up taking all of our jobs and are potentially dangerous.


"Ah... Xenophobism at it's worst. Blanket assumptions of entire species groups based on propaganda from religious zealots and their ilk. Bah! Jobs are only taken by those who are good at them, and if, for example, Drakonians happen to be better at factory work than humans, then let capitalism take it's course without those racist quota systems interfering."

Alimantuan wrote:Who is to say that this rare anthropomorphic sentient canine won't eat my children? I am not going to wait for it to happen.


"Then step up the police force and make sure to vaccinate. And that's all I have to say about that. I won't justify the paranoia with more logic than that."

Alimantuan wrote:Think of our rights, our god given rights. They were given to us, not strange beings from various planes and planets. This Resolution, if voted upon, will stop all nations from giving rights to NHS and treat them like any other animal.


"That's just insulting. The 'God' figure you speak of would grant rights to all 'His' creations, not just the self-righteous pink-skins. After hearing this argument, I deem the Alimantuanian representative unfit for service do to personal bias and will formally ask for a change of GA representative."
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