[DRAFT] Forced Sterilization Ban Act (Revised)

[Christian Democrats]

It is obvious that my proposal has a wide range of support but needs revision before I resubmit it to the General Assembly. Please make suggestions.

NEW DRAFT:

RECOGNIZING the atrocities that have been committed by governments in the name of eugenics and

BELIEVING that people's genitalia should remain unmolested by governments,

The General Assembly hereby prohibits compulsory sterilization except as a punitive measure for rapists and child molesters.

[Grays Harbor]

What atrocities by which governments? Is there any evidence, beyond simply taking your word for it?

[Monikian WA Mission]

What atrocities by which governments? Is there any evidence, beyond simply taking your word for it?

What they said.

[Christian Democrats]

What atrocities by which governments? Is there any evidence, beyond simply taking your word for it?

National Socialist German Workers' Party (1933-1945)
People's Republic of China (present) . . .
just to name two

Sadly enough, the U.S. even had an extensive eugenics program. If you want to read up on it, begin with the Wikipedia article on Charles Benedict Davenport.

[Rutianas]

What atrocities by which governments? Is there any evidence, beyond simply taking your word for it?

National Socialist German Workers' Party (1933-1945)
People's Republic of China (present) . . .
just to name two

Sadly enough, the U.S. even had an extensive eugenics program. If you want to read up on it, begin with the Wikipedia article on Charles Benedict Davenport.

Perhaps you could expand further on this? We have no knowledge of any such groups or nations.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas and Swarming Cute Kittens Ambassador

(OOC: Quite a few people RP in here. Using RL examples can be considered bad form by some. To put it simply, in NS, those things may or may not exist in certain nations.)

[Unibot]

What atrocities by which governments? Is there any evidence, beyond simply taking your word for it?

Eduard scratched his head, "Noravea was eugenically purged if my memory serves me correctly^[1], Greater Tezdrian runs a Eugenics program as well.. and we've condemned his ass before but not for Eugenics ^[2]. Also, I remember reading a book about how Third Spanish States and the Kraven Corporation has their own Eugenics programs ^[3]."

Heir sipped the rest of glass of scotch and then sat down beside Jenner, mostly staring at her chest as he talked to her, "Did I ever tell you that I just love kittens?... prefereably cute, swarming ones...,"

[Monikian WA Mission]

"If the point here is to ban forced sterilization, then perhaps it would be better to not bring up examples that other nations are not familiar with. These National Socialist German Worker's Party and People's Republic of China for example. We've never heard of them and Monkiah has an extensive database of NS history.

"It would perhaps be best to attempt this in three different bills. First ban eugenics--which quite frankly is stupid. Some people should not be allowed to reproduce because quite frankly they pass down genetic weaknesses which the national population at large might not want to see continued.

"Second ban the mutilation of genitals, which would require a repeal of the Female Genital Mutilation Ban--which it probably should be repealed anyway because everyone should be free from non-consensual body modification not just females.

"Third is to ban forced sterilization. And quite frankly I think you'll find few civilized nations that would not execute rapists (those that prey on adults or children) so making that provision for sterilizing rapists would be unnecessary. Furthermore I have seen no studies that showed reductions in recidivism rates in other sentient beings--Monikians of course execute rapists so its a moot point--brought on by sterilization.

"That said over all We feel that this is still a national matter and is not the business of the WA."

Faliksa Albertron
Senior Ambassador, Monikian WA Mission

[Grays Harbor]

What atrocities by which governments? Is there any evidence, beyond simply taking your word for it?

National Socialist German Workers' Party (1933-1945)
People's Republic of China (present) . . .
just to name two

Sadly enough, the U.S. even had an extensive eugenics program. If you want to read up on it, begin with the Wikipedia article on Charles Benedict Davenport.

IC: We don't give a fig about non-existant made up countries.

OOC: We don't give a fig about RW references. They have no standing here. Don't use them as justifications for a proposal, and don't include them as part of a proposal. linky

Real World Violations

George Bush, Hammas, France, The Michigan Compiled Laws (Annotated), and Smith & Wesson do not exist in the NationStates world. Don't bring them up in Proposals. This includes references to real world documents, movies, and books. This is really easy to grasp and is a "bright line" violation. A Proposal that is wonderfully written, but mentions "the Great Wall of China" will be deleted. Also, while it acceptable to use real world laws and UN resolutions as a starting point, don't plagiarize.

[Eireann Fae]

"In Eireann Fae, we believe in rehabilitation of all criminals, then incarceration and more extensive rehabilitation, then solitary confinement if the offender cannot be rehabilitated. Physical mutilation does not, and never will, come into play in how we treat offenders, no matter how serious their offense."

[Hirota]

There are nations which impose chemical sterilization and/or castration as punishment for certain sexual or paedophilia-based crimes. Hirota does not, but recognises this option is suitable for some nations.

[Monikian WA Mission]

"Monikians would be far more comfortable with a flat out ban on forced sterilization rather than making allowances for those nations which "find it a suitable punishment" unless there can be obtained facts that such a proceedure actually reduces recidivism.

"Furthermore even if it did reduce recidivism, it would not make the proceedure any less barbaric. We'll keep on with our executions for rape thanks."

Faliksa Albertron
Senior Ambassador, MWAM

[Grays Harbor]

We are as yet still waiting for the author of this to provide legitimate examples and proof that this legislation is required.

[Kryozerkia]

It is obvious that my proposal has a wide range of support but needs revision before I resubmit it to the General Assembly. Please make suggestions.

NEW DRAFT:

RECOGNIZING the atrocities that have been committed by governments in the name of eugenics and

BELIEVING that people's genitalia should remain unmolested by governments,

The General Assembly hereby prohibits compulsory sterilization except as a punitive measure for rapists and child molesters.

Modification of genitalia is not the same as sterilization. One falls under mutilation, the other affects reproduction. Your proposal is clearly mixing up the two placing it in a semi-legal state. The line about genitalia could be viewed as duplicating the FGM resolution that exists. Your language is equally as 'vague'. 'Unmolested' could mean any number of things and could even apply to body searches. It then means your proposal is entering another area and attempting to cover a different set of laws, namely those related to searches, which has nothing to do with government mandates sterilizations.

[Nova Caeli]

I mean do you really believe that even rapists deserve the genitalia cut off? its a monstrous idea even for punitive measures, it should be illegalised totally no one deserves that to happen to them even rapists

[Christian Democrats]

First of all, sterilization and the removal of genitals aren't the same thing.

Secondly,

RATIONALE FOR STERILIZING A CONVICTED RAPIST:

A) Sterilized rapist is released from jail after serving sentence
B) Rapist commits another rape . . .

. . . at least he didn't impregnate the woman he raped.

I am well aware that someone who has been sterilized can still engage in sexual intercourse.

[Erythrina]

Rapist commits another rape . . .

. . . at least he didn't impregnate the woman he raped.

Wow, that's a comforting thought!




Since this is the "rationale", I won't be supporting it. I'll support a sane program of rape prevention, first and foremost.

[Monikian WA Mission]

RATIONALE FOR STERILIZING A CONVICTED RAPIST:

A) Sterilized rapist is released from jail after serving sentence
B) Rapist commits another rape . . .

. . . at least he didn't impregnate the woman he raped.

I am well aware that someone who has been sterilized can still engage in sexual intercourse.

"We understand the rational for it. We want to see statistics that demonstrate that sterilized sexual offenders have decreased recidivism rates. Also a Monikian female cannot be impregnated, in the unlikely event she is raped unless a binome male has already prepared her for contraception--which would never happen as the genomial males make those arrangements, after all they are the ones who have to carry the pod for four months and they are the ones who undergo the hormonal shifts brought on by pregnancy--never mind the fact that she has the right to abort the pod anyway in the unlikely event she should become impregnated. Not to mention that in that unlikely event a Monikian female would have to find a male whose mate miscarried the pod even if she did not want an abortion--which is unlikely.

"Never mind this completely discounts the fact that should a Monikian regardless of sex be raped while in a *sord*dunak enforced monogamous relationship it is likely the mate would find the person who committed this rape and kill them anyway. As I said, sterilizing rapists is barbaric--just execute them the dead never rape again. "

[Nova Caeli]

I am sorry but thats simply barbaric you might as well chop murderer's hands off that way they will stop
maybe a rapist has changed his way and wants a family cant have because of some barbaric laws put in by government its cruel and will be amazed if this ever got through
maybe completeley illegal I could support yet I dont think I and a lot of people could tolerate anyone being sterilized and anyone havent you heard of the morning after pill?

[Christian Democrats]

Rapist commits another rape . . .

. . . at least he didn't impregnate the woman he raped.

Wow, that's a comforting thought!




Since this is the "rationale", I won't be supporting it. I'll support a sane program of rape prevention, first and foremost.

Whoever said I supported sterilization of sexual criminals and this line of thought. I simply am providing A REASON some governments sterilize rapists.

[Christian Democrats]

I am sorry but thats simply barbaric you might as well chop murderer's hands off that way they will stop
maybe a rapist has changed his way and wants a family cant have because of some barbaric laws put in by government its cruel and will be amazed if this ever got through
maybe completeley illegal I could support yet I dont think I and a lot of people could tolerate anyone being sterilized and anyone havent you heard of the morning after pill?

Haven't you ever heard of Plan B preventing a fertilized ovum from implanting (i.e., in many religions, a chemical abortion)?

[Nova Caeli]

i also see how you say molesters hould be sterilised even though kids are to young to impregnate makes no sence and may I say again THE MORNING AFTER PILL

[Christian Democrats]

i also see how you say molesters hould be sterilised even though kids are to young to impregnate makes no sence and may I say again THE MORNING AFTER PILL

There are 10-year olds who have gotten pregnant. It's not that rare.

[Erythrina]

I am sorry but thats simply barbaric you might as well chop murderer's hands off that way they will stop
maybe a rapist has changed his way and wants a family cant have because of some barbaric laws put in by government its cruel and will be amazed if this ever got through
maybe completeley illegal I could support yet I dont think I and a lot of people could tolerate anyone being sterilized and anyone havent you heard of the morning after pill?

Haven't you ever heard of Plan B preventing a fertilized ovum from implanting (i.e., in many religions, a chemical abortion)?

And?

[Christian Democrats]

Haven't you ever heard of Plan B preventing a fertilized ovum from implanting (i.e., in many religions, a chemical abortion)?

And?

Abortion is wrong.

[Nova Caeli]

oh right umm yeah so sterilization is fine since that way these people wont be impregnated oh no wait now I remember THE MORNING AFTER PILL thats not abortion is still an embryo no religion defends embryos its like the ingrediants before they have been mixed together to create the baby so as I said THE MORNING AFTER PILL