Silly and/or Illegal GA Proposals. zOMG!

[Defwa]

I'll leave that for the Mod Squad to rule on, but I'd say it definitely qualifies as bloody stupid, because, well, it is.

Just a quick note. The overuse of "Bloody Stupid" in this thread has been an issue before. Not that any of you guys are overusing it, but still:

While "bloody stupid" is a fair description of many of the proposals in this thread, precise references to specific violations (strength, category, duplication, optionality, etc) are greatly appreciated. Not all mods are au fait with the Proposal Rules, and players' informed advice sometimes helps us make illegalities clearer to would-be proposal writers. "Bloody stupid", in its technical sense, is for proposals when that's the overwhelming reason they're illegal.

Its the "its bloody stupid because tautology" that's the real problem.

[The Two Jerseys]

I'll leave that for the Mod Squad to rule on, but I'd say it definitely qualifies as bloody stupid, because, well, it is.

Just a quick note. The overuse of "Bloody Stupid" in this thread has been an issue before. Not that any of you guys are overusing it, but still:

While "bloody stupid" is a fair description of many of the proposals in this thread, precise references to specific violations (strength, category, duplication, optionality, etc) are greatly appreciated. Not all mods are au fait with the Proposal Rules, and players' informed advice sometimes helps us make illegalities clearer to would-be proposal writers. "Bloody stupid", in its technical sense, is for proposals when that's the overwhelming reason they're illegal.

Let me put it this way: ignoring the merits of rest of the proposal, would giving it some random, nondescriptive title like "The IPCRESS Act" be enough to get it thrown out as bloody stupid? I see a case like that as being the sort of thing that the bloody stupid rule was intended for.

[Defwa]

Just a quick note. The overuse of "Bloody Stupid" in this thread has been an issue before. Not that any of you guys are overusing it, but still:

Let me put it this way: ignoring the merits of rest of the proposal, would giving it some random, nondescriptive title like "The IPCRESS Act" be enough to get it thrown out as bloody stupid? I see a case like that as being the sort of thing that the bloody stupid rule was intended for.

of you're going to accuse something of being bloody stupid, you should at least explain why. The problem is when people say a proposal is stupid because It is.
That's a good way of stifling activity

[The Two Jerseys]

Let me put it this way: ignoring the merits of rest of the proposal, would giving it some random, nondescriptive title like "The IPCRESS Act" be enough to get it thrown out as bloody stupid? I see a case like that as being the sort of thing that the bloody stupid rule was intended for.

of you're going to accuse something of being bloody stupid, you should at least explain why. The problem is when people say a proposal is stupid because It is.
That's a good way of stifling activity

Let's use the proposal that GH posted earlier as an example.
It's a global disarmament proposal. We'll ignore the actual text of the proposal and assume it's legal for the sake of argument.
The title of the proposal is "The Pugwash Convention".

Now, what the hell does a gathering of groomers who specialize in bathing small dogs with curly tails have to do with global disarmament? Damned if I know.

Would you not agree that an otherwise-legal disarmament proposal with a random title having nothing to do with the content of the proposal would be considered "bloody stupid"?

[Frisbeeteria]

Now, naming resolutions that aren't named after Nations, Regions, or Real Life Places- is that still branding? Pugsworth Convention. The Shittake Lunch Accord. The Agreement-That-Happened-In-Dal

I'll leave that for the Mod Squad to rule on, but I'd say it definitely qualifies as bloody stupid, because, well, it is.

would giving it some random, nondescriptive title like "The IPCRESS Act" be enough to get it thrown out as bloody stupid?

Would you not agree that an otherwise-legal disarmament proposal with a random title having nothing to do with the content of the proposal would be considered "bloody stupid"?

Not in and of itself, no. I happen to think that it's a bloody good reason to vote against it, and that would be a bloody good excuse to campaign against it should it show signs of making quorum ... but I don't happen to think that mods should be the only ones who get to make that decision.

Prison Construction Act
A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.

Description: All Nations must construct at least 7 prisons to restore order and peace to society.
Not valid if you already have 7 or more prisons
he Constitutional Monarchy of Goldenson....Making a Just and Honest World

THIS is the sort of thing that qualifies as "Bloody Stupid". It's pointless, arbitrary, and concerns itself with game elements that can't be enforced. However, since the same proposal also fails due to branding and optionality, we never need to play the Bloody Stupid card. "Bloody Stupid" is avoided whenever possible because we don't want 3 or 4 mods making all the decisions for thousands of WA players.

[The Two Jerseys]

I'll leave that for the Mod Squad to rule on, but I'd say it definitely qualifies as bloody stupid, because, well, it is.

would giving it some random, nondescriptive title like "The IPCRESS Act" be enough to get it thrown out as bloody stupid?

Would you not agree that an otherwise-legal disarmament proposal with a random title having nothing to do with the content of the proposal would be considered "bloody stupid"?

Not in and of itself, no. I happen to think that it's a bloody good reason to vote against it, and that would be a bloody good excuse to campaign against it should it show signs of making quorum ... but I don't happen to think that mods should be the only ones who get to make that decision.

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification, Fris.

[Herby]

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: seloria_1410015218

Green Transportation act
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.

Category: Environmental

Industry Affected: Automotive

Proposed by: Seloria

Description: Pollution has been a problem for over 200 years, today the aut omobiles are the most pulloting industry

Herby declares: Electric transportation has been tested to be the fastest way of transportation which is also enviornmentally friendly
Noting: that magnetic trains (which are powered by electricity) are the fastest in the world
Further noting: that with enough funding public transportation becomes a very effective way of travel

Member nation MUST:

Support electric cars powered by solar energy
Build facilitys to charge electric cars on highways
Upgrade rail lines to magnetic ones in order to make a more efficient, fast and enviornmentally friendly way of transportation
And Encourge the population to use more enviornmentally friendly ways to travel

I declare no such thing! Also this is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, is factually incorrect (some maglev trains use magnetic attraction gradients for propulsion, not electricity; solar cars are hardly road-worthy yet; and in many parts of the world coal, especially from coal-fired electrical plants, is a much worse producer of pollution than automobiles), and -- correct me if I'm wrong Fris, which I probably am -- BLOODY STUPID!

[The Two Jerseys]

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: seloria_1410015218

Green Transportation act
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.

Category: Environmental

Industry Affected: Automotive

Proposed by: Seloria

Description: Pollution has been a problem for over 200 years, today the aut omobiles are the most pulloting industry

Herby declares: Electric transportation has been tested to be the fastest way of transportation which is also enviornmentally friendly
Noting: that magnetic trains (which are powered by electricity) are the fastest in the world
Further noting: that with enough funding public transportation becomes a very effective way of travel

Member nation MUST:

Support electric cars powered by solar energy
Build facilitys to charge electric cars on highways
Upgrade rail lines to magnetic ones in order to make a more efficient, fast and enviornmentally friendly way of transportation
And Encourge the population to use more enviornmentally friendly ways to travel

I declare no such thing! Also this is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, is factually incorrect (some maglev trains use magnetic attraction gradients for propulsion, not electricity; solar cars are hardly road-worthy yet; and in many parts of the world coal, especially from coal-fired electrical plants, is a much worse producer of pollution than automobiles), and -- correct me if I'm wrong Fris, which I probably am -- BLOODY STUPID!

The "200 years" and "fastest in the world" probably qualify as RL violations, and they clearly know nothing about building railroads.

And we all know that Herby declares air-cooled rear-engined cars to be the best form of transportation.

[Normlpeople]

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: seloria_1410015218

Green Transportation act
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.

Category: Environmental

Industry Affected: Automotive

Proposed by: Seloria

Description: Pollution has been a problem for over 200 years, today the aut omobiles are the most pulloting industry

Herby declares: Electric transportation has been tested to be the fastest way of transportation which is also enviornmentally friendly
Noting: that magnetic trains (which are powered by electricity) are the fastest in the world
Further noting: that with enough funding public transportation becomes a very effective way of travel

Member nation MUST:

Support electric cars powered by solar energy
Build facilitys to charge electric cars on highways
Upgrade rail lines to magnetic ones in order to make a more efficient, fast and enviornmentally friendly way of transportation
And Encourge the population to use more enviornmentally friendly ways to travel

I declare no such thing! Also this is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, is factually incorrect (some maglev trains use magnetic attraction gradients for propulsion, not electricity; solar cars are hardly road-worthy yet; and in many parts of the world coal, especially from coal-fired electrical plants, is a much worse producer of pollution than automobiles), and -- correct me if I'm wrong Fris, which I probably am -- BLOODY STUPID!

The "200 years" and "fastest in the world" probably qualify as RL violations, and they clearly know nothing about building railroads.

And we all know that Herby declares air-cooled rear-engined cars to be the best form of transportation.

They also have no idea how useless electric cars are either. They are horrible in snow and slow top speed. That said the typos alone kill this one.

[Lysset]

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: united_federation_of_alamo_1410203792

Repeal "Assisted Suicide Act"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.


Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#285

Proposed by: United Federation of Alamo

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #285: Assisted Suicide Act (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: General Assembly,

Recognizing the controversy surrounding euthanasia,

Understanding the "right to life" and "right to die"

Believing that it is a human being's right to do what he wants with his life.

Also believing that the resolution has some flaws.

Seeking, therefore, to repeal this resolution mainly because we believe the citizen of a nation should be subject to the laws of the nation of which he is a citizen regarding euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Furthermore, indicating that the act of euthanasia/assisted suicide should only be performed when the person who requests it is deemed sane.

Suggest that the resolution be repealed.

Approvals: 2 (Sauvage, The Earth Space)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 64 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 7 hours

NatSov.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I only saw one NatSov clause in there (though it is also a bit unreadable and contains no operative language).

[Araraukar]

Repeal "Individual Working Freedoms"

Category: Repeal
Resolution: GA#302

Proposed by: Wassi Wassi Rubi

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #302: Individual Working Freedoms (Category: Advancement of Industry; Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: A lack of working time regulations hurts low wage workers. While workers should have the rights to work where they want, work regulations are a staple to a happy society.

Approvals: 2 (Alossa, South Eurasia)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 64 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 17 hours

Blogposal, no active clause, totally misunderstanding the resolution.

[Wrapper]

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: hail_jesusxxxjesus_is_bae_1410270924

Repeal "Individual Working Freedoms"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#302

Proposed by: HAIL JESUSxxxJESUS IS BAE

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #302: Individual Working Freedoms (Category: Advancement of Industry; Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Not fair; if you let people start making their own decisions they will ruin your state. Government should take control; screw laissez faire and secularism.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 66 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 2 hours

You don't screw laissez faire, laissez faire screws you!

[Honor and Glory]

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: hail_jesusxxxjesus_is_bae_1410270924

Repeal "Individual Working Freedoms"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#302

Proposed by: HAIL JESUSxxxJESUS IS BAE

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #302: Individual Working Freedoms (Category: Advancement of Industry; Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Not fair; if you let people start making their own decisions they will ruin your state. Government should take control; screw laissez faire and secularism.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 66 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 2 hours

best argument ever. "Its not fair". I would like to repeal any resolution that requires my nation to do anything its not already doing as its Not Fair that the WA would make us do anything we aren't already doing.

[Wrapper]

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: suffolk_island_1410276924

Promoting Minority Languages

A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.

Category: Education and Creativity

Area of Effect: Cultural Heritage

Proposed by: Suffolk Island

Description: Understanding that language is an integral part of an individual's indentity,

Noting with satisfaction the promotion of international educational exchange in GAR#159,

Stressing the importance of linguistic diversity in maintaining national cultural heritage for diglossic communities,

1. ENCOURAGES the Office for Educational Exchange (OEX) as established in GAR#159 to promote language study courses in addition to its existing study abroad programme;

2. REQUESTS that the Universal Literary Exchange Network (ULEN) as established in GAR#78 takes submissions in minority languages;

3. RECOMMENDS that the ULEN also promotes the translation of major works into minority languages; and

4. CALLS upon member states to officially recognise any and all minority languages within their jurisdiction.

Approvals: 1 (Suffolk Island)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 65 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days

House of Cards violation. Also not very practical, in a nation with 2+ billion people, who knows how many "minority languages" there are. "Hab SoSlI' Quch!"

EDIT: Also, what's with "encouraging" a committee? How exactly does the WA "encourage" one of its own entities?

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Where is the House of Cards violation? Simply referencing a resolution isn't HOC, nor (as I'm sure you're aware) is reusing a committee. Although I have to agree: for the WA to "recommend" or "encourage" its committees to take action is utterly pointless.

[Wrapper]

Where is the House of Cards violation? Simply referencing a resolution isn't HOC, nor (as I'm sure you're aware) is reusing a committee. Although I have to agree: for the WA to "recommend" or "encourage" its committees to take action is utterly pointless.

Clause 2 is HoC. It's doing much more than just reusing a committee; it's stating that the library network must take submissions in multiple languages. If GAR#78 goes away, the library goes away, and the network... does what exactly? Take submissions of what, for what purpose?

[Defwa]

Where is the House of Cards violation? Simply referencing a resolution isn't HOC, nor (as I'm sure you're aware) is reusing a committee. Although I have to agree: for the WA to "recommend" or "encourage" its committees to take action is utterly pointless.

Clause 2 is HoC. It's doing much more than just reusing a committee; it's stating that the library network must take submissions in multiple languages. If GAR#78 goes away, the library goes away, and the network... does what exactly? Take submissions of what, for what purpose?

I'm sure that would be considered a committee and thus linger after repeal

[Wrapper]

Clause 2 is HoC. It's doing much more than just reusing a committee; it's stating that the library network must take submissions in multiple languages. If GAR#78 goes away, the library goes away, and the network... does what exactly? Take submissions of what, for what purpose?

I'm sure that would be considered a committee and thus linger after repeal

Okay, so, if it's repealed, and this passes, the committee would accept submissions in multiple languages. Submissions of what? For what? Without GAR #78 (unless there's another resolution that gives the committee another function), there are no submissions of anything. Thus, House of Cards.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Yeah, I remember arguing (or at least trying to argue) before that entities rather than committees could not be reused in other resolutions; I think the main one was the General Fund - if the fund is repealed, how do legislators expect to pay for their legislative mandates if they cite it as the funding source? The mods let it slip by them (there are standing resolutions that use WAGF as their funding source), but I don't know if they would consider it legal or not. I'm not sure they've ever really ruled on it.

Though I can definitely see your point.

[Gruenberg]

What confuses me about that is I don't see anything in Resolution #78 that stops the ULC from accepting submissions in minority languages.

[Wrapper]

Though I can definitely see your point.

Well, anyway, the mods don't agree:

It isn't a violation because it would still have its original purpose even if its duties are functionally non-existent. It is not an house of cards violation. However, the author could have chosen their words more carefully.

So, legal, yet still silly IMO.

[Wrapper]

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: new_travancore_1410556540

Repeal "Rights and Duties of WA States"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#2

Proposed by: New Travancore

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #2: Rights and Duties of WA States (Category: Political Stability; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: TO THE OFFICE OF
The Honorable World Assembly

Being a World Assembly member, my nation and I have a right to look out for the common well being for all nations.

Please consider this repeal as only a change and not a total repeal.

The World Assembly must be on hand to put down aggressive acts to prevent strife. If in the event a rogue nation decides to overrun smaller, less powerful nations, who will help them?

I approach the Honorable World Assembly with this question. Please ponder and consider my change.

Humbly,
FROM THE OFFICE OF
The Prime Minister of the Dominion of New Travancore

I don't even know where to start. Is there a rule that this doesn't break?

[Araraukar]

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: new_travancore_1410556540

Repeal "Rights and Duties of WA States"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#2

Proposed by: New Travancore

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #2: Rights and Duties of WA States (Category: Political Stability; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: TO THE OFFICE OF
The Honorable World Assembly

Being a World Assembly member, my nation and I have a right to look out for the common well being for all nations.

Please consider this repeal as only a change and not a total repeal.

The World Assembly must be on hand to put down aggressive acts to prevent strife. If in the event a rogue nation decides to overrun smaller, less powerful nations, who will help them?

I approach the Honorable World Assembly with this question. Please ponder and consider my change.

Humbly,
FROM THE OFFICE OF
The Prime Minister of the Dominion of New Travancore

I don't even know where to start. Is there a rule that this doesn't break?

HoC?

I especially like the "TO THE OFFICE OF The Honorable World Assembly" bit.

[Frisbeeteria]

I don't even know where to start. Is there a rule that this doesn't break?

Well ...

If in the event a rogue nation

... he didn't say "rouge nation".