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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:34 am

Elke and Elba wrote:
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I tried submitting a GHR on that point. This is the telegram I received:


That's probably you made the wrong point? My focus would not be on WA, but Charter Working Group.

As a Charter Working Group is not a country per se - as admitted by Auralia himself, I don't see why this should be forced to say "it's a country!!11!!".

It is a group. That is the fact. So factual even Auralia admits it.


I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis, and I believe that the moderators are incorrect on their call. I think that the moderator(s) understood the point I was making, i.e. to the charter group, I explained it pretty well in the GHR, I think. Even if I didn't, it would have been pretty apparent to them.

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Postby Elke and Elba » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:35 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Elke and Elba wrote:
That's probably you made the wrong point? My focus would not be on WA, but Charter Working Group.

As a Charter Working Group is not a country per se - as admitted by Auralia himself, I don't see why this should be forced to say "it's a country!!11!!".

It is a group. That is the fact. So factual even Auralia admits it.


I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis, and I believe that the moderators are incorrect on their call. I think that the moderator(s) understood the point I was making, i.e. to the charter group, I explained it pretty well in the GHR, I think. Even if I didn't, it would have been pretty apparent to them.


Edited this in but think it's better to write it again:

Anyway, to mods: I'm challenging that ruling SP was given. By the same extent, the Osiran(?) WA Office is a nation per se. You cannot, and should have never removed its proposal from the floor just because "there was Osiris". I could jolly well have my name as Testlandia, and some great power outside my control founds a region "Testlandia". Am I, therefore, in violation of "promoting for Testlandia (which isn't mine)"?

That's probably the (no offence) - worst and most inconsistent ruling I've ever seen.


So - Osiris WA Office is not a nation while WA Charter Working Group is. Where's the logic?
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Postby Plo City » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:07 pm

I would like to ask, since proposal 2 which is about to get repealed includes many WA rules, will said rules stay in affect?

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Postby Applebania » Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:35 am

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=288521&p=19354642
Does this proposal duplicate CoCR?
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Postby Ardchoille » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:12 am

Plo City wrote:I would like to ask, since proposal 2 which is about to get repealed includes many WA rules, will said rules stay in affect?

Answered in other thread that was split off. Short answer: yes, rules stay as they are.

Applebania wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=288521&p=19354642
Does this proposal duplicate CoCR?

Yes, fuller answer in thread.
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Postby Aden Protectorate » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:38 am

I am just wondering are titles still capped at 30 characters?

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:04 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Honestly don't see why this branding was allowed. It was perfectly well established with DEFCON and ACCEL that such group-based branding was allowed no more than for a region. Yet another bit of woeful inconsistency.

Maybe because the 'WA Charter Working Group' is only associated with this single Repeal proposal & the potential replacement for the targeted resolution, rather than with any larger cause?
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:06 am

Bears Armed wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Honestly don't see why this branding was allowed. It was perfectly well established with DEFCON and ACCEL that such group-based branding was allowed no more than for a region. Yet another bit of woeful inconsistency.

Maybe because the 'WA Charter Working Group' is only associated with this single Repeal proposal & the potential replacement for the targeted resolution, rather than with any larger cause?

That's not a distinction that was ever reflected in the sense of the rules. It would be so arbitrary: "you can brand it a bit, but only a little bit". Anyway, the correct ruling was subsequently made, so my complaint is moot.

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Postby Ardchoille » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:14 am

Bears Armed, I reversed my ruling. The branding renders the proposal illegal. {Just posting that here to make sure that in the Q&A thread, all the Qs have As. Further discussion on this belongs in the linked thread.)
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Postby Nucoclan » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:24 pm

I have posted the in the GA forum. How do I put more clarity and depth in its language? The strength is SIGNIFICANT.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:27 pm

Nucoclan wrote:I have posted the Space Technology Act in the GA forum. How do I put more clarity and depth in its language? The strength is SIGNIFICANT.

Utilize the drafting process, weigh the advice of those who are contributing in your thread and look at past resolutions to gain an understanding for how the GA generally phrases proposals (don't plagiarize the wording or style, but get a feel for how things are done).
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Postby Maoist People » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:12 pm

What is the defined "purpose" of the WA? Is there a place that lists it's power?

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Postby Fendon » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:17 pm

Maoist People wrote:What is the defined "purpose" of the WA? Is there a place that lists it's power?


Have a look at GAR#2.

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Postby Gruenberg » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:18 pm

Maoist People wrote:What is the defined "purpose" of the WA? Is there a place that lists it's power?

"Improving the world one resolution at a time".

Beyond that, there is no specific purpose for the WA. Players may make any claims for it in their proposals: you can write a Global Disarmament proposal claiming the WA was there to promote peace and goodwill, or an International Security proposal claiming the WA was there to safeguard collective security.
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Postby Maoist People » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:19 pm

That's not doing it for me. What is the restriction on WA power? Where does it say, "The WA can do this, it can't do that?"

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:20 pm

Maoist People wrote:That's not doing it for me. What is the restriction on WA power? Where does it say, "The WA can do this, it can't do that?"

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348
The rules.
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Postby Fendon » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:20 pm

Maoist People wrote:That's not doing it for me. What is the restriction on WA power? Where does it say, "The WA can do this, it can't do that?"


GAR#2.

EDIT: And the rules.
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Postby Gruenberg » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:22 pm

Maoist People wrote:That's not doing it for me. What is the restriction on WA power? Where does it say, "The WA can do this, it can't do that?"

If you mean in terms of mechanics, the proposal rules spell out the various limits: the WA cannot alter tax rates, force a single currency, change national religions, eject members, or involve itself in gameplay, for example.

If you mean in terms of policy, there really are no limits beyond what the WA is willing to legislate on. Sometimes the WA will pass a "national rights" proposal, sometimes known as a "blocker", to say that it will allow nations to decide on a certain issue (though given current enforcement of the contradiction rule, it's questionable whether they even have any force anymore).
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Postby Maoist People » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:25 pm

THANKS! THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED.

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Postby Nucoclan » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:42 pm

Finding a new proposal topic and how to correctly write a successful GA proposal, both are hard to do, but still trying and will never give up. What needs international attention now? Hard to find issues.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:44 pm

Think on a topic that you would like to write a proposal about. Search the Passed Resolutions thread for similar resolutions on the issue that may overlap with your own legislation. Familiarize yourself with the rules to assure that what you submit won't get you in trouble. And finally, develop a thick skin. You'll need one if you want to successfully manage a draft in this rowdy disagreeable body.
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Postby TheOpressedOnes » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:08 pm

As mentioned here:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=278293
lots of resolutions contradict
this resolution: http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolutions/start=74
May I ask why these illegalities were never spotted?

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Postby Defwa » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:26 pm

TheOpressedOnes wrote:As mentioned here:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=278293
lots of resolutions contradict
this resolution: http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolutions/start=74
May I ask why these illegalities were never spotted?

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Postby Rotwood » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:36 pm

TheOpressedOnes wrote:As mentioned here:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=278293
lots of resolutions contradict
this resolution: http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolutions/start=74
May I ask why these illegalities were never spotted?

Because we, the players, were not vigilant enough. So much depends on players self-regulating that if something slips by, this is what happens.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sat Mar 29, 2014 5:16 pm

I already brought this up before, and Ardchoille indicated she had already replied; however, I've yet to find that post in the forum. I'm hoping clarification will be forthcoming - but I don't believe the mods are unaware of the situation, which is at least partly one of interpretation (and partly one of me being an anal nutjob).

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