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Postby Ardchoille » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:19 pm

Leutria wrote:Would the mentioning of endorcements count as metagaming?

Yes. Unless you're trying to change the way they work, in which case it'd be a game mechanics violation.
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Postby Eastern Frontier (Ancient) » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:16 am

Stupid question: how do I approve a proposal?

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Postby Sciongrad » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:20 am

Eastern Frontier wrote:Stupid question: how do I approve a proposal?


Go to this page - http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal/council=1 - and under the proposal, there should be a button that reads "approve." However, in order to approve a proposal, you must be a delegate, which may be why you're having trouble finding the button. :blush:
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:57 pm

Is it alright to submit a proposal that has been repealed if you address the problems that the repealed resolution had?

Writing something along the lines of

Acknowledging the concerns addressed by [insert repeal here], and having learned from said concerns?
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:25 am

Oaledonia wrote:Is it alright to submit a proposal that has been repealed if you address the problems that the repealed resolution had?

Writing something along the lines of

Acknowledging the concerns addressed by [insert repeal here], and having learned from said concerns?

If you're the author of the repealed resolution (or have explicit permission of the author), you can try to re-pass a corrected version. However, referring to a repeal or even the previous version of the resolution might be a bad idea. Most likely an illegality.
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Postby Alqania » Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:08 am

Araraukar wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Is it alright to submit a proposal that has been repealed if you address the problems that the repealed resolution had?

Writing something along the lines of

Acknowledging the concerns addressed by [insert repeal here], and having learned from said concerns?

If you're the author of the repealed resolution (or have explicit permission of the author), you can try to re-pass a corrected version. However, referring to a repeal or even the previous version of the resolution might be a bad idea. Most likely an illegality.


A bit of incorrect advice there on the second point, methinks. References to passed resolutions (including but not limited to repeals) are legal as long as they are not building a House of Cards. Since a repeal cannot be repealed and a repealed resolution cannot be repealed again, it would seem quite difficult to make a House of Cards when referencing a repeal or a repealed resolution.
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Postby Ardchoille » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:03 am

I can't argue with the logic about HoC, but I'm wondering why you'd need to refer to the old one at all. It doesn't add anything active to your character-limited text. New proposal is new.
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Postby Helltank » Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:45 am

Just want to check-is there any current proposal that would make my proposal(still in the idea stage) about legalizing gambling illegal? (eg. a contradictory proposal, a proposal that already does the exact same thing and so on)

Yes, I checked kenny's passed proposals list, didn't find any. But I didn't read through the whole thing, just the titles.
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Postby Ardchoille » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:06 am

Try using the small "Search" function box at the top left of that thread and run through related ideas, such as "gambling", "lotteries", "prize" and so on. That function checks the text of the resolutions as well as the titles. You can also use the main Search function at the top right and limit it to this forum to turn up some of the gambling proposal drafting threads.

Translation: you have to do more work. :p
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Postby The Akashic Records » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:09 am

Helltank wrote:Just want to check-is there any current proposal that would make my proposal(still in the idea stage) about legalizing gambling illegal? (eg. a contradictory proposal, a proposal that already does the exact same thing and so on)

Yes, I checked kenny's passed proposals list, didn't find any. But I didn't read through the whole thing, just the titles.

Or you could just click on the "Passed resolution by category" in Kenny's OP.
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Postby Helltank » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:13 am

Thanks. I hate work :O
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Postby Metox » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:28 pm

Is it possible to amend a passed proposal? Or repeal it and replace it with a new one simultaneously?
Ex: The Landmine Convention unfairly restricts the weapons usable by WA members against non-WA opponents. So I would like to propose that the convention should be amended a with a clause to allow the use and research of landmines against non-WA members only in the case that the non-WA member uses mines first (effectively a no-first use agreement). Or would I repeal and simultaneously replace it with a different proposal? Or is it simply not possible?

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Postby Araraukar » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:29 am

Proposal rules: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348

I suggest reading them thoroughly. They answer pretty much all your questions.

EDIT: Short answer: no amendments allowed.
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Postby Metox » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:38 am

Araraukar wrote:Proposal rules: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348

I suggest reading them thoroughly. They answer pretty much all your questions.

EDIT: Short answer: no amendments allowed.

Ah... Okay. I guess I'm stuck, then.

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Postby Ferelda » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:39 pm

I understand the concept of the Real World Violation but does the "real world documents" section include published scientific data?

If a bill about climate change, for example, were put before the council could actual data be used in outlining the need for, cause of, proposed solution in, the bill itself or is that a Real World Violation?

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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:43 pm

The convention there is that you can use the data in the debates, but it shouldn't be in the proposal text. You can write "X is a problem" but you shouldn't write "Dataset A shows that X is a problem." In other worlds, generalize the data for the proposal text.

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Postby The Remean Lordship » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:49 pm

I just submitted a resolution, but I NEED to recall it. Is there a procedure to do that?
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Postby Sciongrad » Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:10 pm

The Remean Lordship wrote:I just submitted a resolution, but I NEED to recall it. Is there a procedure to do that?


Yes, there is. :)

File a Getting Help Request here asking for your proposal to be removed. Here's a link to the GHR page: http://www.nationstates.net/page=help
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Postby Star F1eet » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:12 am

does it go against the rules to post pictures from real world victims in order to support your position
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:21 am

Star F1eet wrote:does it go against the rules to post pictures from real world victims in order to support your position

You can't post pictures or links in a proposal. You can post images in the support thread, but only those that meet forum standards. So no gory death, no porn, no other offensive pictures, even if you're trying to ban genocide or porn or other offensive subjects.

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Postby Saveyou Island » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:43 pm

1. What categories would a proposal affecting the world assembly itself go?
2. Is it illegal to create a proposal that creates a commitee for the WA?
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Postby The Akashic Records » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:10 pm

Saveyou Island wrote:1. What categories would a proposal affecting the world assembly itself go?
2. Is it illegal to create a proposal that creates a commitee for the WA?

If you're thinking of doing what I think you're thinking, that would be illegal for metagaming.
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Postby Saveyou Island » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:51 pm

The Akashic Records wrote:
Saveyou Island wrote:1. What categories would a proposal affecting the world assembly itself go?
2. Is it illegal to create a proposal that creates a commitee for the WA?

If you're thinking of doing what I think you're thinking, that would be illegal for metagaming.

It doesn't reference anything but the GA.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:58 pm

Saveyou Island wrote:1. What categories would a proposal affecting the world assembly itself go?
2. Is it illegal to create a proposal that creates a commitee for the WA?

Write your proposal, post it as a DRAFT, and you'll find that people will answer your questions. Your question is far too hypothetical for this thread.

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Postby Auralia » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:52 pm

I apologize in advance for asking this question, since I'm certain it's been asked a number of times before, but what is the rationale for the ban on a WA peacekeeping force? It's categorized as a game mechanics violation, but I don't see why. Couldn't a peacekeeping force be considered a committee for the purposes of the rules?
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