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[DRAFT] Espousal of Gender Fluidity

Postby Hulunbuir » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:02 am

Category: Human Rights | Significant | Proposed by: Hulunbuir




The General Assembly,

Acknowledging that gender as a binary concept contradicts scientific knowledge as well as social observation,

Recognizing that gender as a binary concept socially and otherwise excludes persons in all member states of the world community for no justifiable reason, while

Resolving to adopt a more perfect and pragmatic culture in all member states which accepts those persons who do not have the ability to belong in the obsolete concept of the gender binary,

Admitting that our world has a legitimate necessity and obligation to
- accept scientific and social observation as evidence for reform,
- redefine gender as to maintain true social justice, as well as
- prevent ignorance and therein violence directed towards those persons unjustifiably deemed unfit for world society by our culture due to the gender binary,

Hereby:

1.) Defines such terms as ”male”, “female”, and “intersex” as purely scientific, biological, as well as physical and prevailing designations of sex,

2.) Defines such terms as ”masculine”, “feminine”, “gender neutral”, “transgender”, “genderqueer” and “non-binary” as purely mental, identifying, expressive, as well as psychological and prevailing designations of gender,

3.) Defines “gender” and “sex” as two distinct concepts, the former referring to the mental and expressive identity of an individual and the latter referring to the physical and biological nature of an individual,

4.) Defines “gender” as an expression of an individual’s personality and identity which falls on a spectrum ranging from masculine to feminine with gender-neutral as the center, and genderqueer or non-binary as anything in between,

5.) Defines “transgender” as an instance where the sex of individual (e.g.: male) does not traditionally correspond with their gender (e.g.: not masculine),

6.) Defines “gender fluidity” as the social and cultural custom of acknowledging gender as a spectrum rather than a binary dynamic, while accepting and treating equally those who identify on any part(s) of the gender fluidity spectrum, rather than attempting to classify into one of two options (masculine or feminine, as in the binary dynamic) and treat them differently therefore,

7.) Mandates that all governments of member states espouse the custom of gender fluidity by allowing persons falling on any part(s) of the gender fluidity spectrum to have not only equal rights to others but also equal opportunity in political and economic freedom,

8.) Mandates that education in all member states provides knowledge (as stated in clauses 1 - 6) of the distinctions between gender and sex as well as socially and culturally implements the gender fluidity spectrum as the default dynamic and doctrine towards gender in society as to prevent ignorance and violence,

9.) Requests that persons in all member states have the right to safely discuss, support, and protest the reform, and

10.) Requests that governments of all member states pass future legislation and promote societies which further(s) the efforts of this proposal.

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Postby Umeria » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:37 am

This is probably mild strength, not significant, as all it does is point out word distinctions. And those first six clauses should start with "declares". Definitions clauses refer to material in the resolution itself.
Hulunbuir wrote:excludes persons in all member states of the world community

Not every nation's species have genders.

I support the general idea behind this proposal but it might contradict a few other human rights resolutions.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:40 am

"Considering the narrow policy this attempts to affect, this should be Mild."

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Postby Hannasea » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:46 am

OOC: Can you explain how this proposal would intersect with the "Intergender" provisions of A Convention on Gender?

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Postby Hulunbuir » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:43 pm

Hannasea wrote:OOC: Can you explain how this proposal would intersect with the "Intergender" provisions of A Convention on Gender?


First of all, thank you all very much for your suggestions. I am new to the game and was unaware of the protocol. I very much appreciate your help to make this proposal better.

Also, I did not know how to find past legislation regarding a similar subject, so I apologize for being unaware of the document you mention here.

Finally, could you please explain to me an example of how to go about doing this? ("This" being the quote.)
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Postby Hannasea » Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:48 pm

Hulunbuir wrote:
Hannasea wrote:OOC: Can you explain how this proposal would intersect with the "Intergender" provisions of A Convention on Gender?


First of all, thank you all very much for your suggestions. I am new to the game and was unaware of the protocol. I very much appreciate your help to make this proposal better.

Also, I did not know how to find past legislation regarding a similar subject, so I apologize for being unaware of the document you mention here.

Finally, could you please explain to me an example of how to go about doing this? ("This" being the quote.)

OOC: No problem. :)

Sadly, it's not super-easy to find legislation by subject. They are listed here, but the thread spans multiple pages. You can also use the index by category and look up, say, all of the current "Human Rights" proposals.

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Postby Hulunbuir » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:38 pm

Hannasea wrote:
Hulunbuir wrote:
First of all, thank you all very much for your suggestions. I am new to the game and was unaware of the protocol. I very much appreciate your help to make this proposal better.

Also, I did not know how to find past legislation regarding a similar subject, so I apologize for being unaware of the document you mention here.

Finally, could you please explain to me an example of how to go about doing this? ("This" being the quote.)

OOC: No problem. :)

Sadly, it's not super-easy to find legislation by subject. They are listed here, but the thread spans multiple pages. You can also use the index by category and look up, say, all of the current "Human Rights" proposals.


I'm sorry, my last comment was unclear. Could you please explain to me how to intersect with that other document?

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Postby Tinfect » Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:48 pm

Hulunbuir wrote:I'm sorry, my last comment was unclear. Could you please explain to me how to intersect with that other document?


OOC:
Well, first of all, read it, then make sure that your draft does not directly reference, contradict, or duplicate, any of its mandates.
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Postby Hannasea » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:29 am

OOC: I think the gender fluid provisions of this proposal are probably already covered by the "intergender" provisions of A Convention On Gender. So you may be best off concentrating on the education aspect, because Reproductive Education Act doesn't seem to go into this in great detail and there may be room for expansion on the topic without "duplication".

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Postby Taboa » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:49 am

Hannasea wrote:OOC: I think the gender fluid provisions of this proposal are probably already covered by the "intergender" provisions of A Convention On Gender. So you may be best off concentrating on the education aspect, because Reproductive Education Act doesn't seem to go into this in great detail and there may be room for expansion on the topic without "duplication".


I agree with Hannasea, you could make it into an education bill, as a point was made before, some species in this game don't have genders so it doesn't particularly apply to them, however education refer to everyone.

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Postby Araraukar » Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:44 pm

Taboa wrote:however education refer to everyone.

Except to those nations that have no educational systems. Yes, they do exist.
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Postby Umeria » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:49 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Taboa wrote:however education refer to everyone.

Except to those nations that have no educational systems. Yes, they do exist.

But what about GAR#80? Doesn't that mandate some sort of education system?
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:13 am

Umeria wrote:But what about GAR#80? Doesn't that mandate some sort of education system?

OOC: Not really. It just requires the people get the info somehow. It doesn't mandate schools.

And to get back to the topic; as one of the individuals this thing would be about, it would be a great idea in the real world. However, in NS you need to write the language to be conditional, since I'm sure we have nations with not only a-gendered (AIs come to mind) and pangendered (PPU's plants as an example) individuals, but also, I'm sure, nations that had either males or females but not trans/intergender people. And yes I know what the previous resolution says on the matter.

Just remember that not everyone roleplays with human citizens.

However, you can't make the proposal to be completely optional, or it's illegal.

Also, you shouldn't base it on previously passed resolutions, or it's likely to be illegal.

So... have a go at drafting it and we'll see how it shapes up.
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"'gender neutral', 'genderqueer' and 'non-binary'? C'mon lads we are not going to actually legitimise those things are we?" says Charles Tetor
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:49 am

Alozia wrote:"'gender neutral', 'genderqueer' and 'non-binary'? C'mon lads we are not going to actually legitimise those things are we?" says Charles Tetor


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Postby Alozia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:59 am

The Sheika wrote:
Alozia wrote:"'gender neutral', 'genderqueer' and 'non-binary'? C'mon lads we are not going to actually legitimise those things are we?" says Charles Tetor


Clearing his throat, Colonel Austin comes to his feet; "Let's say we are; then what? Is it really such a terrible thing?"


"Most of people identifying with any of those "genders" are teens or people in their early twenties. Most of those people haven't got a job and we really are harming them than helping. Accepting those things definetly shouldn't be mandatory on governmental - or for that matter - international level"
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:12 pm

Alozia wrote:
The Sheika wrote:
Clearing his throat, Colonel Austin comes to his feet; "Let's say we are; then what? Is it really such a terrible thing?"


"Most of people identifying with any of those "genders" are teens or people in their early twenties. Most of those people haven't got a job and we really are harming them than helping. Accepting those things definetly shouldn't be mandatory on governmental - or for that matter - international level"


"Do you have sufficient data to support that claim? I ask because I know quite a few individuals who are not in their teens or early twenties, who also happen to have stable employment that fall under the aforementioned terms of 'gender neutral', genderqueer', and 'non-binary'. Although if you have data which has been verified, then by all means please share that with the rest of the Assembly."
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Postby Alozia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:17 pm

The Sheika wrote:
Alozia wrote:
"Most of people identifying with any of those "genders" are teens or people in their early twenties. Most of those people haven't got a job and we really are harming them than helping. Accepting those things definetly shouldn't be mandatory on governmental - or for that matter - international level"


"Do you have sufficient data to support that claim? I ask because I know quite a few individuals who are not in their teens or early twenties, who also happen to have stable employment that fall under the aforementioned terms of 'gender neutral', genderqueer', and 'non-binary'. Although if you have data which has been verified, then by all means please share that with the rest of the Assembly."


" 'fall under' doesn't necessarily mean they identify them as such. If they do then I apologise, but still it should not be mandatory to accept this."
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:26 pm

Alozia wrote:" 'fall under' doesn't necessarily mean they identify them as such. If they do then I apologise, but still it should not be mandatory to accept this."


Colonel Austin nods "Oh, they do indeed identify themselves as such, but that is not the point I was going for. I am merely interested in the information you had mentioned to support your point. If such data exists it may help you expand upon why you stand against this."
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Postby Calladan » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:33 pm

The Sheika wrote:
Alozia wrote:" 'fall under' doesn't necessarily mean they identify them as such. If they do then I apologise, but still it should not be mandatory to accept this."


Colonel Austin nods "Oh, they do indeed identify themselves as such, but that is not the point I was going for. I am merely interested in the information you had mentioned to support your point. If such data exists it may help you expand upon why you stand against this."


I have to agree with The Sheika on this topic - I also know a number of people who use these terms to identify themselves, and there are.... 24? No - 25 votes in the 27 Districts to get the government to recognise them so that people do not have to be categorised according to a system that is out of date and offensive to them.

Just because some members of my government, and the population, think that terms like genderqueer and so forth are stupid, or are pandering to minorities who just want attention, doesn't make those people right.

Besides - setting aside whether you have information to support your point or not, does it hurt anyone to formally adopt terms that people wish to use? Will referring to someone as non-binary cause you (personally) any physical or emotional distress? (I am guessing - no).
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:57 pm

Wallenburg wrote:"Absolutely opposed, Ambassador. Really, we already have enough of this legislation. We don't need any more to legitimize..." Ogenbond stops, looks at the other ambassadors, and continues. "To legitimize total duplication of World Assembly legislation."


Colonel Austin nods in the direction of Ongebond "I concede that the World Assembly currently holds adequate legislation in regards to this topic, at least in the eyes of the Federation. I spoke mainly in favor of offering a different point of view to one of my fellow Ambassadors. Thank you for the clarification on duplication."
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Postby Alozia » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:36 pm

"I think that I made it clear that I'm opposed. Now If you wouldn't mind gentlemen/ladies/assault helicopters I will go and drink some FreedomTea" *Charles Tetor leaves*
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:12 pm

Alozia wrote:
The Sheika wrote:
"Do you have sufficient data to support that claim? I ask because I know quite a few individuals who are not in their teens or early twenties, who also happen to have stable employment that fall under the aforementioned terms of 'gender neutral', genderqueer', and 'non-binary'. Although if you have data which has been verified, then by all means please share that with the rest of the Assembly."


" 'fall under' doesn't necessarily mean they identify them as such. If they do then I apologise, but still it should not be mandatory to accept this."

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Postby The Sheika » Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:41 pm

Alozia wrote:"I think that I made it clear that I'm opposed. Now If you wouldn't mind gentlemen/ladies/assault helicopters I will go and drink some FreedomTea" *Charles Tetor leaves*


"Oh indeed you did make it clear that you are opposed. As I stated, I merely offered you a different point of view. Although I feel compelled to advise that the 'assault helicopters' comment was hardly necessary."
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