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Postby Sciongrad » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:21 pm

Tinfect wrote:"And why should they not, Ambassador? If a State were to breach networks of your Government that contain highly-controlled information, do you mean to tell me that your Government would not act? How is it reasonable to consider an explicitly hostile action that threatens the security of your Nation as not being an Act of War simply because it does not involve the aiming of a Weapon?"

"Because Sciongrad believes in restraint and proportional response. Consider the following: someone steals my purse. I respond by pulling out a gun and shooting them in the head. That's not how reasonable people behave and it certainly is not how reasonable governments, committed to the ideals of peace espoused by the World Assembly, behave."


OOC: Please don't assume that the position of the Imperium is representative of my actual beliefs. In any case, while such a thing would absolutely be a disproportionate response, and that the threat of Military Action, and maybe some serious trade sanctions, would be far more appropriate, I do actually believe that there is justification for treating cyberattacks as an explicitly hostile action. I do not believe that Nations should be in the business of spying on States that they are not actively at war with. In a world where an attack on a local digital infrastructure has the possibility of causing a large-scale disaster, we need to start taking cyberattacks far more seriously.

OOC: I didn't mean to imply that I thought you actually believed that, but I was trying to clarify what you actually meant. I wasn't sure if your IC position was as extreme as it seemed. The OOC parallel was meant solely for me to understand Tinfect's IC attitude. And for what it's worth, no one is saying that spying is not a hostile act. But in the real world, no government would ever go to war over a cyberattack. It just wouldn't happen. The U.S. was caught spying on major allies a couple of years ago. No wars. Russian state spies allegedly hacked into the DNC recently. No wars. Cyberattacks are hostile actions that often damage relations between countries, but they are not casus belli. Unfortunately, as I explained before, the resolution we're discussing may allow nations greater flexibility in deciding whether or not cyberattacks constitute legitimate casus belli.
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Postby Falcania » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:27 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Tinfect wrote:"And why should they not, Ambassador? If a State were to breach networks of your Government that contain highly-controlled information, do you mean to tell me that your Government would not act? How is it reasonable to consider an explicitly hostile action that threatens the security of your Nation as not being an Act of War simply because it does not involve the aiming of a Weapon?"

"Because Sciongrad believes in restraint and proportional response. Consider the following: someone steals my purse. I respond by pulling out a gun and shooting them in the head. That's not how reasonable people behave and it certainly is not how reasonable governments, committed to the ideals of peace espoused by the World Assembly, behave."


The delegation from Falcania notes that that would be exactly how that encounter would transpire in the Free Kingdom, and further notes that that may explain our staggeringly small tourist industry.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:54 pm

Falcania wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:"Because Sciongrad believes in restraint and proportional response. Consider the following: someone steals my purse. I respond by pulling out a gun and shooting them in the head. That's not how reasonable people behave and it certainly is not how reasonable governments, committed to the ideals of peace espoused by the World Assembly, behave."


The delegation from Falcania notes that that would be exactly how that encounter would transpire in the Free Kingdom, and further notes that that may explain our staggeringly small tourist industry.

The delegation from Falcania does not condone behaviour exhibited by Falcania in nations other than the Free Kingdom of Falcania.

"Likewise, though our tourism industry is thriving."

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Postby Tinfect » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:36 pm

Sciongrad wrote:"Because Sciongrad believes in restraint and proportional response. Consider the following: someone steals my purse. I respond by pulling out a gun and shooting them in the head. That's not how reasonable people behave and it certainly is not how reasonable governments, committed to the ideals of peace espoused by the World Assembly, behave."


"Ambassador, you seek to compare two entirely dissimilar things. The use of force by a State to protect that which is critical to its existence is not in any remote way, similar to the plight of a thief and their mark. Your example is reductive, and irrelevant to the subject at hand. In any case, the Imperium also believes in proportional response. An attack on the Imperium is an Act of War. The Imperium will respond, in kind, with an Act of War. Whether such a thing is the destruction of all critical government infrastructure, or merely the removal of a hostile-state's ability to threaten the Imperium, is a decision to be made by the Imperial Military."

Sciongrad wrote:OOC: I didn't mean to imply that I thought you actually believed that, but I was trying to clarify what you actually meant. I wasn't sure if your IC position was as extreme as it seemed. The OOC parallel was meant solely for me to understand Tinfect's IC attitude.


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Oh. Well, in that case, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what Markhov is saying. The Imperium take hostile acts very seriously, espionage attempts especially. It probably comes from the fact that Imperial Intelligence is a quasi-independent Gestapo-like entity, that has operatives at every level of the Imperial Government.

Sciongrad wrote:And for what it's worth, no one is saying that spying is not a hostile act. But in the real world, no government would ever go to war over a cyberattack. It just wouldn't happen. The U.S. was caught spying on major allies a couple of years ago. No wars. Russian state spies allegedly hacked into the DNC recently. No wars. Cyberattacks are hostile actions that often damage relations between countries, but they are not casus belli. Unfortunately, as I explained before, the resolution we're discussing may allow nations greater flexibility in deciding whether or not cyberattacks constitute legitimate casus belli.


Quite honestly, I'm of the opinion that US Spying should have been a far bigger deal than it was. Especially given that it was our Allies that we were spying on. It's one thing to spy on States you actually have hostile relations with, it's quite another to spy on the States you ostensibly trust. I say the whole thing warranted immediate economic sanctions and some serious reconsidering of the Alliances, because clearly the US isn't treating them like allies. It's starting to look like Governments don't really care about information security unless it's their own citizens violating it, and I believe it's eventually going to result in an international shit-show of epic proportions unless something gets done.

In any case, as for the whole casus belli thing, I don't really think it matters. If the State considered such things to be sufficient grounds for War before, they'll continue to do so now, those States that didn't, won't. Status-Quo.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:23 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC: Oh. Well, in that case, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what Markhov is saying. The Imperium take hostile acts very seriously, espionage attempts especially. It probably comes from the fact that Imperial Intelligence is a quasi-independent Gestapo-like entity, that has operatives at every level of the Imperial Government.

OOC: So Tinfect has a nice good-old deep state.

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Postby Tinfect » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:03 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Tinfect wrote:OOC: Oh. Well, in that case, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what Markhov is saying. The Imperium take hostile acts very seriously, espionage attempts especially. It probably comes from the fact that Imperial Intelligence is a quasi-independent Gestapo-like entity, that has operatives at every level of the Imperial Government.

OOC: So Tinfect has a nice good-old deep state.


OOC:
Sort of, but Imperial Intelligence is actually subordinate to relevant Imperial Authorities*, and they do have perfectly normal roles in Government besides being everywhere all the time. Intelligence maintains the Imperial Archive, and its various Clones across the Imperium, handles security classification of Information, runs the literal and metaphorical madhouse that is Research and Development, and assigns Personnel to sensitive operations across and beyond the borders of the Imperium. They even have public offices open to Citizens, though there's easier ways to get Tax Forms.

*This is not to say that the current cast isn't their fault, it absolutely is. Saar was installed because the previous Civil Overseer committed treason by trying to have him executed for doing his job better than he was, the Military Overseer got in because he had a solid Military Record, and could deadlock the Government until Intelligence is ready to move to Phase 2 of the plan, and Markhov ended up as Diplomatic Overseer when the old one died of "Natural Causes" and he was the only other person working in Diplomatic Oversight.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:35 pm

Sciongrad wrote:"Because Sciongrad believes in restraint and proportional response. Consider the following: someone steals my purse. I respond by pulling out a gun and shooting them in the head. That's not how reasonable people behave and it certainly is not how reasonable governments, committed to the ideals of peace espoused by the World Assembly, behave."

"Ambassador, that would be a very common response in Wallenburg, were it not that most Wallenburgians who carry both guns and purses carry their guns in their purses."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:42 pm

Wallenburg wrote:"Ambassador, that would be a very common response in Wallenburg, were it not that most Wallenburgians who carry both guns and purses carry their guns in their purses."

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:41 am

Sciongrad wrote:"Because Sciongrad believes in restraint and proportional response. Consider the following: someone steals my purse. I respond by pulling out a gun and shooting them in the head. That's not how reasonable people behave and it certainly is not how reasonable governments, committed to the ideals of peace espoused by the World Assembly, behave."

"The head? That's a little excessive." Schultz says. "A round or two to the torso or arms is usually enough to deter the thief, and a shot to the legs to apprehend one."
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This was submitted.

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:This was submitted.

Why draw attention to it? Just let it die quietly.
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Postby Friday Freshman » Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:57 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:This was submitted.

Why draw attention to it? Just let it die quietly.


What's curious is you approved it...
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Friday Freshman wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:Why draw attention to it? Just let it die quietly.


What's curious is you approved it...


For the lulz.
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Postby Calladan » Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:07 am

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Separatist Peoples wrote:"Hacktivism and spamming, even for good cause, is still an invasion of privacy that the state has an interest in preventing."


Agreed but should they be lumped in to the over arching roof of cyber attacks? This resolution takes both hacktivism and spamming and hacking to steal millions of dollars on the same level.


Yes - because in the same way that my freedom fighters are your terrorists (so to speak) then your hacktivists are my cyber-terrorists.

And if someone is hacking my companies, my government, my military then I want the right to punish them, regardless of whether they think they are going it for a good cause or not.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:44 am

Calladan wrote:
Friday Freshman wrote:
Agreed but should they be lumped in to the over arching roof of cyber attacks? This resolution takes both hacktivism and spamming and hacking to steal millions of dollars on the same level.


Yes - because in the same way that my freedom fighters are your terrorists (so to speak) then your hacktivists are my cyber-terrorists.

And if someone is hacking my companies, my government, my military then I want the right to punish them, regardless of whether they think they are going it for a good cause or not.

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Postby Friday Freshman » Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:31 pm

As is there appears to be a fair amount of interest/support for a repeal. I'd ask that the discussion that will continue be about further improving the resolution as opposed to whether a repeal is warranted.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:34 pm

Friday Freshman wrote:As is there appears to be a fair amount of interest/support for a repeal. I'd ask that the discussion that will continue be about further improving the resolution as opposed to whether a repeal is warranted.

OOC: that was really just the rubber stamp brigade. Nice spin, though.

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Postby Friday Freshman » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:37 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Friday Freshman wrote:As is there appears to be a fair amount of interest/support for a repeal. I'd ask that the discussion that will continue be about further improving the resolution as opposed to whether a repeal is warranted.

OOC: that was really just the rubber stamp brigade. Nice spin, though.


The rubber stamp brigade is like 20 strong or so. Using the peace of legislation behind me as a meter. Which means there's a solid 15-20 that supported it.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:31 pm

Friday Freshman wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: that was really just the rubber stamp brigade. Nice spin, though.


The rubber stamp brigade is like 20 strong or so. Using the peace of legislation behind me as a meter. Which means there's a solid 15-20 that supported it.

Out of 1595 delegates. Congrats.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:25 am

Wallenburg wrote:
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The rubber stamp brigade is like 20 strong or so. Using the peace of legislation behind me as a meter. Which means there's a solid 15-20 that supported it.

Out of 1595 delegates. Congrats.

To be fair, only about 200 of those delegates ever approve anything.

So we have ~30 out of 200 who support this, at least in theory.
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Postby Friday Freshman » Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:53 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Out of 1595 delegates. Congrats.

To be fair, only about 200 of those delegates ever approve anything.

So we have ~30 out of 200 who support this, at least in theory.


Which is 15%, enough to get a third party candidate in a presidential debate in addition to other milestones.
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:57 am

Tinfect wrote:...I believe it's eventually going to result in an international shit-show of epic proportions...


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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 31, 2016 9:15 am

Friday Freshman wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: that was really just the rubber stamp brigade. Nice spin, though.


The rubber stamp brigade is like 20 strong or so. Using the peace of legislation behind me as a meter. Which means there's a solid 15-20 that supported it.

Ooc: if you honesty believe that, you're entirely ignorant of how the GA works.

Friday Freshman wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:To be fair, only about 200 of those delegates ever approve anything.

So we have ~30 out of 200 who support this, at least in theory.


Which is 15%, enough to get a third party candidate in a presidential debate in addition to other milestones.


Which would be relevant if this was a presidential election. It's irrelevant here. 30 of 200 is a terribly low number of approvals by literally any standard. Illegal proposals full of misspellings and unintelligible sentences get as much. Apply the context to the situation instead of dragging in unassociated yardsticks.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:19 am

Friday Freshman wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:To be fair, only about 200 of those delegates ever approve anything.

So we have ~30 out of 200 who support this, at least in theory.


Which is 15%, enough to get a third party candidate in a presidential debate in addition to other milestones.

1) Third party candidates never win. Neither will this repeal.
2) This isn't the presidential election, anyways. This is the GA. You actually need to get things to vote, and that requires 6% of all delegates, not 2%.
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