by The United Federation of Chasetopia » Mon May 09, 2016 4:37 pm
The military recognizes no difference between male and female soldiers, citizens are abandoning their homes en masse in a widespread panic over asbestos, debate rages over whether ground fish guts can be spread on fields, and justice is available only to those who can afford its price tag.
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by Tinfect » Mon May 09, 2016 6:46 pm
The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:However requiring all general education services to provide such a course would attempt to micromanage and cause more harm than good.
The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:Requiring the World Assembly to allocate funding and subsidize nations who cannot pay for this course would drain the WA's coffers as well as give nations an excuse not to pay for the course.
The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:Realizing that the education of sexual activity should always be left to the parents and or guardians of the "sapient species."
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by The United Federation of Chasetopia » Thu May 12, 2016 5:36 am
Tinfect wrote:The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:However requiring all general education services to provide such a course would attempt to micromanage and cause more harm than good.
"Do you intent to support this claim? There is absolutely no evidence for it."The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:Requiring the World Assembly to allocate funding and subsidize nations who cannot pay for this course would drain the WA's coffers as well as give nations an excuse not to pay for the course.
"The General Fund is not lacking in funds. In any case, your second claim here might qualify as a violation of the Secretariat's rulings on 'honest mistakes'.The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:Realizing that the education of sexual activity should always be left to the parents and or guardians of the "sapient species."
"Absolutely not.
In short, the Imperium is opposed. Far better delegations than yours have written far better repeals, and the Secretariat has rejected them. This draft is neither of quality, or, perhaps arguably, legality. We recommend it be scrapped."
The military recognizes no difference between male and female soldiers, citizens are abandoning their homes en masse in a widespread panic over asbestos, debate rages over whether ground fish guts can be spread on fields, and justice is available only to those who can afford its price tag.
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by Araraukar » Thu May 12, 2016 5:43 am
The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:then the WA would be paying for worthless things like sex ed instead of fixing the world.
Now maybe the draft the doesnt fit the rules but that doesn't change the fact that the bill needs to be fixed or removed.
The WA is two wolves and sheep voting on what to eat for lunch.
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by Separatist Peoples » Thu May 12, 2016 5:53 am
The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:The WA is two wolves and sheep voting on what to eat for lunch.
by Wallenburg » Thu May 12, 2016 6:35 am
The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:Tinfect wrote:
"Do you intent to support this claim? There is absolutely no evidence for it."
"The General Fund is not lacking in funds. In any case, your second claim here might qualify as a violation of the Secretariat's rulings on 'honest mistakes'.
"Absolutely not.
In short, the Imperium is opposed. Far better delegations than yours have written far better repeals, and the Secretariat has rejected them. This draft is neither of quality, or, perhaps arguably, legality. We recommend it be scrapped."
1. "Requires all general education services in member states to guarantee that all their students who are experiencing reproductive maturation, and have not yet received sufficient education, as detailed in clause 3, are educated through a reproductive education course on the nature of their species's reproduction" is a direct line from the bill, which requires they be educated.
2. I never said that the WA is lacking in funds. What if a country were to cut funding for education and force (in the figurative since, because the bill requires the WA to pay of those who can't) then the WA would be paying for worthless things like sex ed instead of fixing the world.
3. "Absolutley not" provides no insight into what must be changed. The WA has no right to tell me how MY education system is established.
Mine happens to function on moral grounds of abstinence. The education of reproduction belongs solely to the right of thr guardian of the "sapient being" and the government has no right to intrude upon the rights of my governement or my people.
Now maybe the draft the doesnt fit the rules but that doesn't change the fact that the bill needs to be fixed or removed.
The WA is two wolves and sheep voting on what to eat for lunch.
by The United Federation of Chasetopia » Thu May 12, 2016 7:21 am
Araraukar wrote:The United Federation of Chasetopia wrote:then the WA would be paying for worthless things like sex ed instead of fixing the world.
Considering how sex ed can lead to fewer unintended pregnancies, I'd say it's a great first step in fixing the world. Unless you meant "fixing" in the way it's used of animals, which means spaying or neutering, then I think that'd require quite a few repeals, but would also be a great first step to slow/prevent overpopulation, from which so many other problems arise...Now maybe the draft the doesnt fit the rules but that doesn't change the fact that the bill needs to be fixed or removed.
Any draft that's against the rules is not worth much to debate, as its merits would still run into "this is illegal".The WA is two wolves and sheep voting on what to eat for lunch.
More like a committee of fifty sheep, who starve because they can't argee on which side of the fence the grass is greener.
The military recognizes no difference between male and female soldiers, citizens are abandoning their homes en masse in a widespread panic over asbestos, debate rages over whether ground fish guts can be spread on fields, and justice is available only to those who can afford its price tag.
"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." ~Ronald Reagan
by Unified Heartless States » Fri May 13, 2016 11:39 am
50 Communists. . . But yes.Araraukar wrote:The WA is two wolves and sheep voting on what to eat for lunch.
More like a committee of fifty sheep, who starve because they can't agree on which side of the fence the grass is greener.
by Wallenburg » Fri May 13, 2016 11:42 am
by Araraukar » Fri May 13, 2016 11:45 am
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by Unified Heartless States » Fri May 13, 2016 12:23 pm
Requires all general education services in member states to guarantee that all their students who are experiencing reproductive maturation, and have not yet received sufficient education, as detailed in clause 3, are educated through a reproductive education course on the nature of their species's reproduction;
Though I use 'may" with caution above as it may not apply depending on the definition:Highly encourages member nations to provide separate reproductive education courses for each sapient species;
Since you can't really teach (most) animals mathematics or the sciences, it might not apply. . . But, "one or more students are educated on all subjects considered necessary for basic education" education standards don't necessarily have to be the same for every species if your state deems it "not part of that animals basic education". Though it would only apply to animals already getting some some of education. . . I think. . . Though, I guess you could argue that this bill would indeed force wildlife into the school system.Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, a "general education service" as any service or collection of services in which one or more students are educated on all subjects considered necessary for basic education, such as mathematics, the sciences, and language skills;
by Wallenburg » Fri May 13, 2016 12:32 pm
Unified Heartless States wrote:Fine, I will throw my hat into this pony race then:Requires all general education services in member states to guarantee that all their students who are experiencing reproductive maturation, and have not yet received sufficient education, as detailed in clause 3, are educated through a reproductive education course on the nature of their species's reproduction;
Wording akin to, "the average starting age of Puberty" should have been used instead of "reproductive maturation" as it would also target adults. Granted, this bill does address this wit the statement "and have not yet received sufficient education," but depending on the term "sufficient education" quite a few higher education students (20, 30, 40, 50, and beyond) would require (re)education.
Also, and somewhat hilarious, any pet placed through training courses or similar academies for pets may also have to give pets these courses.
I feel this is further cemented in point 4:Though I use 'may" with caution above as it may not apply depending on the definition:Highly encourages member nations to provide separate reproductive education courses for each sapient species;Since you can't really teach (most) animals mathematics or the sciences, it might not apply. . . But, "one or more students are educated on all subjects considered necessary for basic education" education standards don't necessarily have to be the same for every species if your state deems it "not part of that animals basic education". Though it would only apply to animals already getting some some of education. . . I think. . . Though, I guess you could argue that this bill would indeed force wildlife into the school system.Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, a "general education service" as any service or collection of services in which one or more students are educated on all subjects considered necessary for basic education, such as mathematics, the sciences, and language skills;
Strange bill, didn't we just overturn the police education bill?
I doubt this one will last long.
by Unified Heartless States » Fri May 13, 2016 1:03 pm
Wallenburg wrote:1) http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... sh/student
"Student", by every accepted definition, refers to a person. Non-sapient animals are not people. Therefore, the target doesn't have anything to do with them.
Wallenburg wrote:2) 50 year old humans are not experiencing reproductive maturation. They have been mature in this way for decades. Puberty literally is the process of human sexual maturation.
I'm really not sure where these arguments came from, nor how anyone could possibly argue that they are a reasonable, good faith interpretation.
by Araraukar » Fri May 13, 2016 1:10 pm
Unified Heartless States wrote:It's clear that the reason "species" was is because several nations are comprised of space-faringracesspecieswillwhile otherracesspecies are comprised of dinosaurs, bacteria, and potatoes. . . And not sapient potatoes. . . Just a field of regular potatoes. . . Species is the only term broad enough to encompass just about every state within' the world assembly. Though if this bill was made specifically broad so as to also apply to a nation of rats (New Rat City), then how am I being disingenuous to suggest that this bill would force school attendance in my country to explode after every wild animal was given an education?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
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