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[SUBMITTED]Repeal "Reproductive Education Act" (John Turner)

Postby Wrapper » Sun May 08, 2016 2:10 pm

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Repeal "Reproductive Education Act"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.



Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#369

Proposed by: John Turner


Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #369: Reproductive Education Act (Category: Education and Creativity; Area of Effect: Educational) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The Nations of The World Assembled,

Recognizing the international community's dedication to sexual education and the reproductive rights of it's member citizens;

Elucidating the importance of ensuring member nation citizens are educated in the aspects of sexual reproduction and sexual pleasure, bewildered as to how this could possibly be an issue worthy of international importance or concern, when this is best left to the internal mechanisms of member nations to decide as to how to implement their reproductive plans;

Perplexed as to how "Reproductive Education Act" can define a general education service as "as any service or collection of services in which one or more students are educated on all subjects considered necessary for basic education, such as mathematics, the sciences, and language skills", whilst also failing to take into account social, physical and economic education services which are also critical to the economic and physical well being of a nation, thus giving member nations whom are more dictatorial or controlling a well defined, internationally sanctioned loophole which allows them to ban those types of education thus allowing them to exert even more control over their population, all while enshrining regulations that force them to teach students how to properly use birth control devices;

Exasperated that nations are required to "guarantee that all their students who are experiencing reproductive maturation, and have not yet received sufficient education, as detailed in clause 3, are educated through a reproductive education course on the nature of their species's reproduction", thus flying in the face of those nations which seek to teach a more wholesome and religious based form of education, thus attempting to promote ideological restrictions upon those nations, which are positive, contributing member of the World Assembly;

Asking why the role of the World Health Authority needs to be expanded yet again to "include assisting member states in the adequate education of sapient beings on reproduction, in order to minimize the risk of international epidemics caused by pathogens communicated through reproduction", when the World Assembly has already passed several resolutions requiring the World Health Authority to do just that, thus believing that the more socialist nations of this assembly seek nothing more than to continue to expand the already bloated bureaucracy of this organization to the point of complete and utter bankruptcy;

Lost as to how clause seven even has it's intended effect, when "Reproductive Education Act" already forces several restrictions and regulations upon member nations, thus rendering this clause completely toothless, and totally moot; further to that confused as to why Reproductive Education Act" would need to direct the World Health Authority to pay for these educational provisions, when nations who can't even afford to educate their youth on the most simple task of condom usage, should even be members of this Assembly;

Hereby repeals General Assembly Resolution #369 "Reproductive Education Act".


Wallenburg wrote:Honest mistakes, also pretty silly and self-contradictory argument. Plenty of grammar errors.
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Postby Araraukar » Sun May 08, 2016 2:53 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Proposed by: John Turner

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I think you missed his joke - I made it clearer there.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun May 08, 2016 2:54 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Proposed by: John Turner

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I think you missed his joke - I made it clearer there.

Is this going to become a regular thing now?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 08, 2016 2:58 pm

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Araraukar wrote:I think you missed his joke - I made it clearer there.

Is this going to become a regular thing now?

I hope this isn't: The Nations of The World Assembled,

However it is, he cannot respond or create a forum post because of a week-long forum ban. Stated matter-of-factly, because this is true and is a statement of that truth.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun May 08, 2016 3:02 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Is this going to become a regular thing now?

I hope this isn't: The Nations of The World Assembled,

However it is, he cannot respond or create a forum post because of a week-long forum ban. Stated matter-of-factly, because this is true and is a statement of that truth.

Actually that was an open question, seeing as how as of late we have both JT's proposal and your trill obligations proposal with hidden messages.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 08, 2016 3:04 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Proposed by: John Turner

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I think you missed his joke - I made it clearer there.

LOL. Then I'll say it's branding, too. He would want that.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 08, 2016 3:04 pm

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:I hope this isn't: The Nations of The World Assembled,

However it is, he cannot respond or create a forum post because of a week-long forum ban. Stated matter-of-factly, because this is true and is a statement of that truth.

Actually that was an open question, seeing as how as of late we have both JT's proposal and your trill obligations proposal with hidden messages.

There's a number of jokes in my proposal. However it is, it is still a serious proposal that I would want passed. I would like more clarification on your issues with it, though that should be on the proposal thread.

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Postby Araraukar » Sun May 08, 2016 3:06 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:Actually that was an open question, seeing as how as of late we have both JT's proposal and your trill obligations proposal with hidden messages.

I think this repeal was JT's comment on just what he thinks of the hidden messages thing, most currently in IA's proposal. :P

Commenting on IA's proposal on that thread, not here.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun May 08, 2016 3:38 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Araraukar wrote:I think you missed his joke - I made it clearer there.

LOL. Then I'll say it's branding, too. He would want that.

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Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:LOL. Then I'll say it's branding, too. He would want that.

Is there a nation or region named "repeal"?

CTE'd.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 08, 2016 3:45 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:LOL. Then I'll say it's branding, too. He would want that.

Is there a nation or region named "repeal"?

John Turner wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:OOC: I haven't had time to form an opinion on the draft nor do I know whether or not it's a joke, but I will note that together, the first letters of each operative clause spell "debate." :lol:

I would call that a branding violation.

I don't agree with him, but I think he would want his proposal to be dinged for branding.
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Postby Araraukar » Sun May 08, 2016 5:14 pm

Eeep.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 08, 2016 5:27 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Honest mistakes, also pretty silly and self-contradictory argument. Plenty of grammar errors.

What are the honest mistakes you spotted, by the way? He TG'd me to say that the repeal is not a joke (beyond the lettering) and that he intends to campaign for it. (If posting this info counts as posting on behalf of a forum-banned person, I'm sorry.)

He claims that clause seven is rendered moot by the requirements of my resolution. That is obviously untrue. Blocker clauses are not rendered moot because the resolution they are in does something else.
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Araraukar wrote:What are the honest mistakes you spotted, by the way? He TG'd me to say that the repeal is not a joke (beyond the lettering) and that he intends to campaign for it. (If posting this info counts as posting on behalf of a forum-banned person, I'm sorry.)

He claims that clause seven is rendered moot by the requirements of my resolution. That is obviously untrue. Blocker clauses are not rendered moot because the resolution they are in does something else.

He's claiming that the blocker clause is pointless, a claim similar to what I made earlier here.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 08, 2016 5:29 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:He claims that clause seven is rendered moot by the requirements of my resolution. That is obviously untrue. Blocker clauses are not rendered moot because the resolution they are in does something else.

He's claiming that the blocker clause is pointless, a claim similar to what I made earlier here.

Then he should have said that. Instead, he claims that one part of the resolution nullifies the other, which is simply not true.
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Wallenburg wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:He's claiming that the blocker clause is pointless, a claim similar to what I made earlier here.

Then he should have said that. Instead, he claims that one part of the resolution nullifies the other, which is simply not true.

He does say that.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 08, 2016 5:33 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Then he should have said that. Instead, he claims that one part of the resolution nullifies the other, which is simply not true.

He does say that.

Where?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 08, 2016 5:34 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:He does say that.

Where?

Lost as to how clause seven even has it's intended effect, when "Reproductive Education Act" already forces several restrictions and regulations upon member nations, thus rendering this clause completely toothless, and totally moot;

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Where?

Lost as to how clause seven even has it's intended effect, when "Reproductive Education Act" already forces several restrictions and regulations upon member nations, thus rendering this clause completely toothless, and totally moot;

When I asked you to show me where he says the blocker clause is pointless, I meant for you to show me something other than the honest mistake violation.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 08, 2016 5:39 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Lost as to how clause seven even has it's intended effect, when "Reproductive Education Act" already forces several restrictions and regulations upon member nations, thus rendering this clause completely toothless, and totally moot;

When I asked you to show me where he says the blocker clause is pointless, I meant for you to show me something other than the honest mistake violation.

That isn't an honest mistake violation. Because it's where:

Imperium Anglorum wrote:He's claiming that the blocker clause is pointless, a claim similar to what I made earlier here.

You asked me to show you where he claims that. This is where.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun May 08, 2016 5:45 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:When I asked you to show me where he says the blocker clause is pointless, I meant for you to show me something other than the honest mistake violation.

That isn't an honest mistake violation. Because it's where:

Imperium Anglorum wrote:He's claiming that the blocker clause is pointless, a claim similar to what I made earlier here.

You asked me to show you where he claims that. This is where.

It is an honest mistake violation, because it claims that my resolution's "several restrictions and regulations upon member nations" render the blocker "completely toothless, and totally moot".
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Postby Araraukar » Sun May 08, 2016 8:04 pm

Guys, wouldn't it be easier to make a thread for his proposal to argue this in, rather than spamming this thread with it?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 08, 2016 9:01 pm

Araraukar wrote:Guys, wouldn't it be easier to make a thread for his proposal to argue this in, rather than spamming this thread with it?

Would that not be posting for a banned person or something like that?

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon May 09, 2016 12:13 am

However it is, UFoC/JT is serious about the repeal and I received a campaign telegram.

I have filed a GHR for Honest Mistake violations, specifically claiming that the definition of general education services allows nations to ban history classes, which is false because GA#369 defines it "for the purposes of this resolution", and thus does not allow further resolutions to exploit a "loophole".
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon May 09, 2016 1:18 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:I have filed a GHR for Honest Mistake violations, specifically claiming that the definition of general education services allows nations to ban history classes, which is false because GA#369 defines it "for the purposes of this resolution", and thus does not allow further resolutions to exploit a "loophole".

I don't agree with that interpretation. I would say that the interpretation remains within the 'for the purposes of this resolution' thing. However, he's actually arguing that if we have (1) an definition that is a certain way and (2) nations will use that definition then it is possible to have a well-defined ability to do ban it. Fundamentally, it's an argument that the resolution does not do enough and by not doing enough, creates that loophole.

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