Should the WA be restarted? (OOC discussion)

[Sciongrad]

Kenny, literally none of those people (including yourself) can actually be considered active GA regulars.

[Queen Yuno]

That's be interesting, i support !

[Floor 448]

If they cleared all of the WA bans like they did last time, I'd still support, but only if it waited until April 2^nd next year, when the last of the WA bans from Predator expire.

[John Turner]

Kenny, literally none of those people (including yourself) can actually be considered active GA regulars.


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I'm not a GA regular anymore? This is news to me.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Kenny, literally none of those people (including yourself) can actually be considered active GA regulars.

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A search in the World Assembly subforums found 81 results in the past two months. I guess not.

At any rate, if the WA is reset again, I pledge to reintroduce all my previous resolutions in their exact current form. If all the active nations pledge to do the same (and some already have), then it's not much of a "reset," now is it?

[John Turner]

Kenny, literally none of those people (including yourself) can actually be considered active GA regulars.

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A search in the World Assembly subforums found 81 results in the past two months. I guess not.

At any rate, if the WA is reset again, I pledge to reintroduce all my previous resolutions in their exact current form. If all the active nations pledge to do the same (and some already have), then it's not much of a "reset," now is it?

That is exactly what I would do, except I would alter NAP to ensure Bob can't re pass NAPA, and the same old debates and wars will endure all over again.

[Excidium Planetis]

Kenny, literally none of those people (including yourself) can actually be considered active GA regulars.

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A search in the World Assembly subforums found 81 results in the past two months. I guess not.

At any rate, if the WA is reset again, I pledge to reintroduce all my previous resolutions in their exact current form. If all the active nations pledge to do the same (and some already have), then it's not much of a "reset," now is it?

Look on the bright side: WSA would be gone.

[Bears Armed]

Look at the non-bright side: all of the repeated arguments about abortion, circumcision, legalising prostitution...

[Araraukar]

I've stayed away from this thread since starting it, partially due to RL stuff and partially to let other people have their say. The rule that sparked all this, was tweaked, but that doesn't mean nothing good can come out of this.

First of all, my thread title was misleading, I never intended for the SC to be affected. That fustercluck is outside of anything I do in WA, so I didn't even think of people counting that in (this being on GA forum and all).

The GA Rules Consortium is still ongoing. Since the proposal effect coding idea fell through, category changes are back on the table. If the categories could be rewritten (and some of them need rewriting) and maybe new ones added/old ones removed, we would still have a "new start", whether or not GA was restarted.

As for why to restart GA, one great reason would indeed to bring in more people; stagnation of population is never good for anything that's meant to evolve over time, and that goes for GA roleplay as well. Some newbies do stick around (Liagolas comes to mind) and take the RP side of this seriously enough to be fun to have around. The majority of non-regulars post on the at-vote threads to say how they approve or disapprove of something, and we never hear from them again, until the next at-vote that gets a rise out of them again.

Would a re-start mean that the majority of still-active authors would resubmit their text as is? Probably. But there are some resolutions in the books currently that would either be harder to pass, or even contain illegalities, if they weren't, by the virtue of passing, considered legal. Just because something passed in the past, doesn't mean it would pass now.

So yeah, I support a restart, even knowing that the admins and Max are likely to say no, and that people like Kenny, UFoC, IA and SP would roast me slowly alive if it ever actually happened.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Kenny, if you can point me to a resolution you've written in that time, I'll admit a mistake there.

As for Flib, Fris, CR, Quod... You have to make "active" an incredibly loose term for that to be true at all.


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[Bears Armed]

Kenny, if you can point me to a resolution you've written in that time, I'll admit a mistake there.

As for Flib, Fris, CR, Quod... You have to make "active" an incredibly loose term for that to be true at all.

And urrs?

[Araraukar]

As for Flib, Fris, CR, Quod... You have to make "active" an incredibly loose term for that to be true at all.

OOC: Maybe he means "non-CTE" with it?

And Bears, you're still around, you sometimes help in drafting threads, you've got proposals waiting for RL to give time for you to get back to them, etc. So maybe you're in slight over-winter stupor now, waiting for the spring to arrive?

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Kenny, if you can point me to a resolution you've written in that time, I'll admit a mistake there.

As for Flib, Fris, CR, Quod... You have to make "active" an incredibly loose term for that to be true at all.


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Your argument's been gutted, don't dig yourself further in with pointless dithering over whether someone is truly "active" or not. If I and several other GA players have already pledged to resubmit our work without much drafting/revision, then it's not a reset so much as it is a rerun marathon. Even Fris was compelled to resubmit Rights and Duties after the last reset, and he hadn't been involved in legislating for at least four years.

[Excidium Planetis]

Kenny, if you can point me to a resolution you've written in that time, I'll admit a mistake there.

As for Flib, Fris, CR, Quod... You have to make "active" an incredibly loose term for that to be true at all.


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Your argument's been gutted, don't dig yourself further in with pointless dithering over whether someone is truly "active" or not. If I and several other GA players have already pledged to resubmit our work without much drafting/revision, then it's not a reset so much as it is a rerun marathon. Even Fris was compelled to resubmit Rights and Duties after the last reset, and he hadn't been involved in legislating for at least four years.

But would Rights & Duties be allowed to pass? If it really was plagiarized from the UN draft of practically the same name, wouldn't that make it illegal? And even if it was legal, would it pass?

[Araraukar]

But would Rights & Duties be allowed to pass? If it really was plagiarized from the UN draft of practically the same name, wouldn't that make it illegal? And even if it was legal, would it pass?

Like I said, a lot of things that were passed in the past, probably wouldn't make the cut now.

[Excidium Planetis]

So, a restart would:

• Get rid of that horrible abomination that is WSA.
• And remove all the repealed resolutions and repeals as well, cleaning up the passed resolutions list.
• Allow minor tweaks to good resolutions that will likely not be repealed for their minor errors.
• Result in some major resolutions needing to be redrafted and discussed (GA#2 is particular, possibly more) because they are either illegal or not passable today.
• Possibly drum up some activity.

All in all, I see a lot of benefits to a restart, and the only downside is a huge logjam at the beginning with all the major resolutions going up to be voted on again.

[Sciongrad]

All in all, I see a lot of benefits to a restart, and the only downside is a huge logjam at the beginning with all the major resolutions going up to be voted on again.

That is a huge understatement. "Huge logjam," i.e. probably years worth of resolutions. I have, by myself, about a month of resolutions I would want back on the books.

EDIT: This is, of course, not out of malice. If some new player expressed interest in covering one of the issues my resolutions had covered, I would gladly abide them, but if not, I'd definitely want those issues covered from an IC perspective ASAP.

[Separatist Peoples]

So, a restart would:

• Get rid of that horrible abomination that is WSA.
• And remove all the repealed resolutions and repeals as well, cleaning up the passed resolutions list.
• Allow minor tweaks to good resolutions that will likely not be repealed for their minor errors.
• Result in some major resolutions needing to be redrafted and discussed (GA#2 is particular, possibly more) because they are either illegal or not passable today.
• Possibly drum up some activity.

All in all, I see a lot of benefits to a restart, and the only downside is a huge logjam at the beginning with all the major resolutions going up to be voted on again.

Half your reasoning is that it will remove legislation objectionable to you. Your personal hit list isn't a sufficient reason to tap the reset button.

[Aclion]

The WA has deep running problems that wont be solved with a simple reset. We need to address the issue of uninvolved moderators and the issue of the delegacy being treated as a regional executive position. Otherwise the reset does little but allow us to make the same mistakes we did before.

[Araraukar]

We need to address the issue of uninvolved moderators and the issue of the delegacy being treated as a regional executive position.

Those are not discussions for this thread. This thread was started on mod advice for the exact purpose of discussing pros and cons of a possible WA restart.

[Aclion]

We need to address the issue of uninvolved moderators and the issue of the delegacy being treated as a regional executive position.

Those are not discussions for this thread. This thread was started on mod advice for the exact purpose of discussing pros and cons of a possible WA restart.

Correct, but it is relevant to point out that the reset will not not help until those issues are resolved.

[Araraukar]

Correct, but it is relevant to point out that the reset will not not help until those issues are resolved.

It won't help those issues, you mean (I mean, what does "regional executive position" even have to do with the GA?). Go find a place you can talk about those issues. Ask in Moderation or something.

[Aclion]

Correct, but it is relevant to point out that the reset will not not help until those issues are resolved.

It won't help those issues, you mean (I mean, what does "regional executive position" even have to do with the GA?). Go find a place you can talk about those issues. Ask in Moderation or something.

No I don't. I mean as I said in the first post which you chose to ignore. "(without addressing deeper issues)the reset does little but allow us to make the same mistakes we did before."

As for executive position since you asked :

Many WA delegates serve a double duty. They both represent their region in the assembly and act as the executive officer in regional affairs. This creates a problem in that WA endorsements are sign of approval in regional matters as much, or more then an endorment of an ability to act as a WA representative(a problem multiplied by the presence of the invader game.).
This means we have quite a few voters(some very influential delegates) that have no interest in the world assembly, except in that giving and receiving WA endorsements is an important part of regional politics. Because of this much of the vote goes to people who do not care about, participate in or understand what's going in the assembly halls.

[Araraukar]

As for executive position since you asked

I didn't. And it's a gameside thing, not GA thing, so please take it elsewhere? And the uninvolved mods thing isn't a GA thing either. You can try complaining on that GA announcement thread that's up there.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I'm confused. Wasn't the WSA already repealed/blown up?

As for executive position since you asked

I didn't. And it's a gameside thing, not GA thing, so please take it elsewhere?

It is perfectly acceptable to discuss the game mechanics of the WA here. Take your snobbery elsewhere.