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[DRAFT] Repeal "Nuclear Arms Possession Act"

Postby Svezjacael » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:35 am

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #10: "Nuclear Arms Possession Act" (Category: International Security; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Appreciating the allowance of World Assembly nations to possess and maintain nuclear arms in accordance with this Resolution, yet disheartened to fail to see such resolution define the conditions of any of the three short articles the resolution present,

Dejected that Article 1 of this resolution fails to define the term 'defend' required to use of nuclear weapons, in that this article does not define the principal of defense in what transgressions must occur for the use of nuclear arms may be justified rather than an unnecessary widespread cessation of life,

Appalled that Article 3 of this resolution does not elaborate on steps taken to ensure these "[atomic] weapons do not fall into the wrong hands" and more so at that the definition of "the wrong hands" is not afforded to this community through any legislation from Resolution #10 onward to the present date,

Doleful that a resolution involving weapons of mass destruction could be so short, ill-written, and left to remain in practice, while also attempting to use its '3 to 1' statistic to scare World Assembly Nations into believing this resolution essential.

Deeply saddened that the lack of elaboration in this legislation leaves such levels of room for interpretation that a war of aggression could be waged by any nation with nuclear arms for any multitude of reasons left to interpretation from this loosely written legislation, while still being justified by the very legislation,

Further reiterating that the lack of establishment of these important details in any of this resolution's articles is leaving the resolution destabilized and nearly unenforceable to any degree other than the possession of said arms being allowed,

Hopeful that a better resolution could be published in replacement of General Assembly Resolution #10 that regulates the means by which member nations may possess and maintain their nuclear arsenals should they wish to possess one,

Hereby repeals General Assembly Resolution #10: "Nuclear Arms Possession Act"

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This is only my second go with submissions, and I want to do this right. I also want to, unless beat to it, write the replacement legislation(s) needed afterwards if this makes the floor and passes.

If you support it or not isn't my question right now but rather how I can clean it up and make it better, and if you think it has any grounds at all. I just know there has been a lot of Nuclear Arms related legislation right now, which is why I thought this would be a good time to clear GAR #10 and make way for a much better piece of legislation that can better clarify these holes since amendments can't be made.

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Postby Normlpeople » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:07 am

OOC: Since you new, I'll go easy. Don't try this. Far more experienced players have tried to no success. Nuclear weapons are beloved and about the only thing left a nation can build to properly defend themselves. Repealing a piece of legislation that guarentees the right to possess them is not going to gain any support.

Also, your concerns regarding use of them is regulated by other resolutions. I'd suggest reading them, and the rules/faq.
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Postby Svezjacael » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:32 am

Normlpeople wrote:OOC: Since you new, I'll go easy. Don't try this. Far more experienced players have tried to no success. Nuclear weapons are beloved and about the only thing left a nation can build to properly defend themselves. Repealing a piece of legislation that guarentees the right to possess them is not going to gain any support.

Also, your concerns regarding use of them is regulated by other resolutions. I'd suggest reading them, and the rules/faq.

I couldn't find the resolutions handling those concerns, so thank you. I must not have read one of them right or something.

Also, I thought I followed the rules quite well for this one? Abandoning the resolution in itself as, if more talented and prolific authors can't rid it then I might as well not try, but can you show me where I was wrong? That way if I try to write something in the future, I can do so correctly?

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:41 am

Svezjacael wrote:
Normlpeople wrote:OOC: Since you new, I'll go easy. Don't try this. Far more experienced players have tried to no success. Nuclear weapons are beloved and about the only thing left a nation can build to properly defend themselves. Repealing a piece of legislation that guarentees the right to possess them is not going to gain any support.

I couldn't find the resolutions handling those concerns, so thank you. I must not have read one of them right or something.

Also, I thought I followed the rules quite well for this one? Abandoning the resolution in itself as, if more talented and prolific authors can't rid it then I might as well not try, but can you show me where I was wrong? That way if I try to write something in the future, I can do so correctly?

You have followed the rules correctly, as far as I can tell. Continuing to follow the rules correctly is a good thing. There is legislation on the regulation of nuclear weapons on the books, for example, 308 GA "Nuclear Arms Protocol". A piece of legislation on the regulation of nuclear weapons was also just repealed, 292 GA "Nuclear Security Convention". I've also proposed legislation to replace it, but my legislative affairs are irrelevant to yours. Legislation on nuclear weapons already exists (and so you don't need to check, so do regulations on chemical and biological weapons).

Fundamentally, the reason why 10 GA will likely never be repealed is because it only does one thing: preserves the right of member nations to have nuclear weapons. Any attack on 10 GA for almost any reason is practically indistinguishable from an attack on the right of member nations to have nuclear weapons and there only exist a few arguments which are not practically indistinguishable for an attack on that right. However it is, I myself am an extremely ardent supporter of 10 GA, and thus, my opposition rests on ideological grounds which cannot be mollified by changing the text. I hope you the best.

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Postby Normlpeople » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:15 am

OOC: Just to clairify, you followed the rules well! It's kind of force of habit to mention both. Kudos for posting here first as well!
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:01 am

Not bad! It's legal, I think that it's just because it's NAPA that this won't pass. I look forward to seeing your next draft!
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:03 am

"Yeah, that "scare tactic" of being outnumbered 3:1? Its a bit closer to 10:1 now. It isn't a scare tactic, its a real concern. We will oppose this and any other attempts to clear the way to nuclear disarmament."

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:30 am

"Ambassador I know it's been said before but this is a foolish endeavor, the NAPA will never be repealed. Especially if I have anything to say about. So with out further ado I will be opposing this attempt."
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Postby Svezjacael » Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:25 pm

No I got early on that there wasn't a grounds for support on it,
I just more merely decided then to see if there were other errors with my draft.
I won't be putting a second draft, as with no support the legislation I'm drafting is what's null.
Thank you all for your support and comments though. I appreciate it.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:12 pm

Svezjacael wrote:No I got early on that there wasn't a grounds for support on it,
I just more merely decided then to see if there were other errors with my draft.
I won't be putting a second draft, as with no support the legislation I'm drafting is what's null.
Thank you all for your support and comments though. I appreciate it.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:32 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Yeah, that "scare tactic" of being outnumbered 3:1? Its a bit closer to 10:1 now. It isn't a scare tactic, its a real concern. We will oppose this and any other attempts to clear the way to nuclear disarmament."

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Svezjacael wrote:No I got early on that there wasn't a grounds for support on it,
I just more merely decided then to see if there were other errors with my draft.
I won't be putting a second draft, as with no support the legislation I'm drafting is what's null.
Thank you all for your support and comments though. I appreciate it.

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"I give my full support to this. Nuclear ANYTHING must be banned. Only limited amounts of energy should bbe allowed, but weapons are ridiculous." Deanne says a little loudly, sipping some banana milkshake in between sentences.
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:13 am

Svezjacael wrote:No I got early on that there wasn't a grounds for support on it,
I just more merely decided then to see if there were other errors with my draft.
I won't be putting a second draft, as with no support the legislation I'm drafting is what's null.
Thank you all for your support and comments though. I appreciate it.

You give up too easily. This is well-written, better than 90% of the previous attempts (many of which were illegal), and although your argument could use some touching up, it's a good start. Give us some time to mull it over and we'll make some suggestions for improvement, if you change your mind and want to pursue this. It may not pass -- hell, our first two proposals didn't pass either, but the experience was invaluable in getting our GAR#300 passed -- but some things are worth a try.

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Pulau Singapura wrote:"I give my full support to this. Nuclear ANYTHING must be banned. Only limited amounts of energy should bbe allowed, but weapons are ridiculous." Deanne says a little loudly, sipping some banana milkshake in between sentences.

"What do you suggest then for those nations that rely on nuclear energy for electricity? How do you expect member states to assert themselves against the nuclear arsenals of non-members?"
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:55 am

Pulau Singapura wrote:"I give my full support to this. Nuclear ANYTHING must be banned. Only limited amounts of energy should bbe allowed, but weapons are ridiculous." Deanne says a little loudly, sipping some banana milkshake in between sentences.

"As I keep saying, of you want to take our weapons from us, you can have them. Warhead first. That will be our reaction to literally any disarming attempt."

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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Pulau Singapura wrote:"I give my full support to this. Nuclear ANYTHING must be banned. Only limited amounts of energy should bbe allowed, but weapons are ridiculous." Deanne says a little loudly, sipping some banana milkshake in between sentences.

"As I keep saying, of you want to take our weapons from us, you can have them. Warhead first. That will be our reaction to literally any disarming attempt."

"War loving nations should have no place in the WA. And stop being so threatening to everyone, will you?"
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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Pulau Singapura wrote:"I give my full support to this. Nuclear ANYTHING must be banned. Only limited amounts of energy should bbe allowed, but weapons are ridiculous." Deanne says a little loudly, sipping some banana milkshake in between sentences.

"As I keep saying, of you want to take our weapons from us, you can have them. Warhead first. That will be our reaction to literally any disarming attempt."


Clover chucked "Our position as well. They will be delivered, through the air, warhead end first. Its far faster and far more efficient than decommission and dis-assembly."
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:38 am

Pulau Singapura wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"As I keep saying, of you want to take our weapons from us, you can have them. Warhead first. That will be our reaction to literally any disarming attempt."

"War loving nations should have no place in the WA. And stop being so threatening to everyone, will you?"

"Ambassador we will stop threatening, when you stop threatening to get rid of our weapons! Besides with out these so called "war loving nations" the WA wouldn't exist as they would be overrun by the nuclear capable non-member states!" John says visibly exasperated
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Normlpeople wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"As I keep saying, of you want to take our weapons from us, you can have them. Warhead first. That will be our reaction to literally any disarming attempt."


Clover chucked "Our position as well. They will be delivered, through the air, warhead end first. Its far faster and far more efficient than decommission and dis-assembly."

"And costs significantly less"
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:11 am

Pulau Singapura wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"As I keep saying, of you want to take our weapons from us, you can have them. Warhead first. That will be our reaction to literally any disarming attempt."

"War loving nations should have no place in the WA. And stop being so threatening to everyone, will you?"


""War loving" nations, such as my own, have written countless resolutions. I myself have written seven, six of which were on the topic of war, and were decidedly in the interests of peace. When you've finished with your platitudes and bumper sticker slogans, ambassador, you might want to wake up and realize that your position is the unpopular and unreasonable one. But by all means, submit a repeal. Maybe you need to learn for yourself that the WA doesn't want to disarm."

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Postby Tinfect » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:15 am

Pulau Singapura wrote:"I give my full support to this. Nuclear ANYTHING must be banned. Only limited amounts of energy should be allowed, but weapons are ridiculous."


"By what measure are nuclear weapons ridiculous? They are perfectly legitimate form of weaponry, and a necessary defense policy in many Member States.

Further, I would like to know what you intend to gain by prohibiting nuclear methods for large-scale energy production? Surely you are aware that it is one of the 'cleanest' methods of energy generation? Further, if properly monitored and constructed, Nuclear Reactors can be made to be quite safe. There is simply no reason to limit the use of Nuclear methods in Energy Generation.

Further still, the Imperium utilizes Nuclear Fusion for all Energy Production. Subterranean Reactors power every City in the Imperium, variants of the same are utilized to power the Imperial Fleets, Orbital Constructs. Such a reactor is nearly a requirement for the operation of a Subspace Drive, and the many other technologies used in the Imperium.

What do you suggest we replace the entirety of our Civilian, Military, and Industrial power grid with? Solar Panels? Perhaps a Coal Furnace can provide sufficient energy to power a Particle Projection Cannon? Perhaps we may find some way of powering Rassvet Dreadnoughts on the Laughter of Small Children, or harness the power of friendship to allow for our Military Vessels to remain operational?"
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Postby Pulau Singapura » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:18 am

Tinfect wrote:
Pulau Singapura wrote:"I give my full support to this. Nuclear ANYTHING must be banned. Only limited amounts of energy should be allowed, but weapons are ridiculous."


"By what measure are nuclear weapons ridiculous? They are perfectly legitimate form of weaponry, and a necessary defense policy in many Member States.

Further, I would like to know what you intend to gain by prohibiting nuclear methods for large-scale energy production? Surely you are aware that it is one of the 'cleanest' methods of energy generation? Further, if properly monitored and constructed, Nuclear Reactors can be made to be quite safe. There is simply no reason to limit the use of Nuclear methods in Energy Generation.

Further still, the Imperium utilizes Nuclear Fusion for all Energy Production. Subterranean Reactors power every City in the Imperium, variants of the same are utilized to power the Imperial Fleets, Orbital Constructs. Such a reactor is nearly a requirement for the operation of a Subspace Drive, and the many other technologies used in the Imperium.

What do you suggest we replace the entirety of our Civilian, Military, and Industrial power grid with? Solar Panels? Perhaps a Coal Furnace can provide sufficient energy to power a Particle Projection Cannon? Perhaps we may find some way of powering Rassvet Dreadnoughts on the Laughter of Small Children, or harness the power of friendship to allow for our Military Vessels to remain operational?"

"Solar power is the cleanest and least dangerous amongst all energy sources. You should give it a try. :) "
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:20 am

Pulau Singapura wrote:"Solar power is the cleanest and least dangerous amongst all energy sources. You should give it a try. :) "

"Solar panels require a significant investment of toxic materials and energy to create. Nuclear is reliable, clean, safe, and infinitely more efficient. If you want I push an anti-nuclear agenda, write a draft. But be warned that there are about a half dozen resolutions in place that you would have to repeal to do so. Ban nuclear material in your nation, leave ours alone. Also, way to miss my counter to your warmonger claim."
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