by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:07 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:19 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:21 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Violates GAR#68. Opposed."
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:24 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Is there a link to GAR#68
by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:30 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:35 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Do you mean GAR#68 to be:
National Economic Freedoms: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopi ... 13#p799613
The goal of the IEM is not to administer power generation within states. Only to enable the sale of power between states.
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:39 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:42 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Secondarily, what is your category? Right now, it looks like: the category for imaginary fairyland utopia legislation.
by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:54 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:NoFrellsGiven wrote:Do you mean GAR#68 to be:
National Economic Freedoms: viewtopic.php?p=799613#p799613
The goal of the IEM is not to administer power generation within states. Only to enable the sale of power between states.
"Regulating who traded with who at what level will have an undeniable impact on national economies, and the companies that are in energy transmission are as involved in domestic trade as international. Balancing consumption versus demand will have the same impact. 3B especially impacts domestic trade.
"The C.D.S.P. has no intention of paying a fee to any organization for the privilage of engaging in energy transfer or sale, nor either to allow the WA to regulate our transmission rates."
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:55 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:1.A Exchange all technologies for energy transmission with all member states within their civilization tier.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:1.B Establish an International Energy Transmission Fund (IETF) for each civilization tier.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:1.C The IETF will develop energy transmission capacity between nations within their current civilization tier.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:1.D The IETF is to be paid for by a fee on Energy Transactions between nations within the International Energy Market for its civilization tier. The initial source of funding for the IETF will be a one time fee on each member state based on their GDP.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:1.E Each tier of the IETF will also perform basic research into increasing transmission efficiencies.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:2.A Establish an International Energy Market (IEM) for each civilization tier:
NoFrellsGiven wrote:2.B The IEM helps member states manage their balance between energy supply and consumption.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:2.C The price of electricity on the IEM will be reported on the smallest granular of time that current technology between member states allows.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:2.D The interruption of the transmission of energy purchased on the International Energy Market will impose a fee of twice the purchase price on the interrupting state.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:2.E Higher tier civilizations are allowed but not required to participate in lower tier markets.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:3.B Member nations may impose fees on energy resources based on the amount of pollution they produce. If a nation raises a fee on pollution it must be applied equally to both international and domestic resources.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:3.C There are no allowed fees or limits against government-authorized or subsidized clean energy resources.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:3.D Clean energy resources are those that produce little to no pollution.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:3.E The markets also allows for full participation of demand response, energy efficiency, and energy storage without penalty.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:4.C Produce quarterly operating reports.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:4.D Produce yearly reports predicting future demand, cost/benefit analysis of current technologies, and cost/benefit analysis of future predicted technologies.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:5.C Have a board of directors represented by a delegate from each region within that board's civilization tier.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:5.D The delegate from each region will belong to the board's civilization tier and be selected by a popular vote every year by that regions members who belong to the respective board's civilization tier.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:5.E The delegate will have voting power within the board by shares which total the number of nations in that region in their respective civilization tier.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:5.F The management and employees of the board will follow the standard rules of conduct and ethics for bureaucracies of the WA.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:6.A Exchange all energy efficiency and clean energy technologies with all member nations within their civilization tier. If a clean energy resource can be used to create weapons of mass destruction, that technology is exempt from this recommendation.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:6.B Develop an international standardized rate of fees for pollution.
by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:06 pm
by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:29 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:2.C The price of electricity on the IEM will be reported on the smallest granular of time that current technology between member states allows.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:2.D The interruption of the transmission of energy purchased on the International Energy Market will impose a fee of twice the purchase price on the interrupting state.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:3.D Clean energy resources are those that produce little to no pollution.
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:34 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:The cost/benefits of solar and nuclear should be debated. But this was not the goal of the IEM. Since the IEM will be run by popular representatives. And the popular opinion is that solar, nuclear, and carbon capture are all clean techs. I believe they all will be included in the non discrimination definition of clean energy.
by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:38 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:NoFrellsGiven wrote:The cost/benefits of solar and nuclear should be debated. But this was not the goal of the IEM. Since the IEM will be run by popular representatives. And the popular opinion is that solar, nuclear, and carbon capture are all clean techs. I believe they all will be included in the non discrimination definition of clean energy.
I still know something you don't.
by Dooom35796821595 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:53 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:04 pm
by Jarish Inyo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:51 pm
by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:14 pm
Jarish Inyo wrote:Opposed. We will never share our technology freely with other nations. Nor will we pay a fee to the WA when we trade goods in international markets.
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:21 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Jarish Inyo wrote:Opposed. We will never share our technology freely with other nations. Nor will we pay a fee to the WA when we trade goods in international markets.
There are no great secrets to transmission technologies within a given civilization tier. Generating electricity with fusion or zpms would be a massive exchange of tech which this does not mandate. And you can continue to build your own power lines wherever you want. There is only a fee to expand the international lines when you use them.
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:28 pm
by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:31 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Which is a lie. The C.D.S.P. has plenty. Also, this is not Free Trade. It strikes down no barriers."
by NoFrellsGiven » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:36 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Good of you to not ask for an example. That would be foolish, eh? Furthermore, Free Trade has no Area of Effect."
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:39 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:This is a perfect example of expanding free trade in modern times. This is not like taxing the open air or sea. It would not be possible to trade electricity internationally if an international organization did not build transmission capacity. And you can continue to build your own exclusive power lines wherever you want.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Give an example of an exclusive transmission technology that is not solely protected by patents. Patents are the greatest barrier to free trade. Nuclear is not even that great of a secret. The time and capital costs are the great barriers.
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Is there even transmission tech beyond basic protocols these days. I am trying to include fantasy tech like ZPMs and microwave energy collected by solar from space in this game. These fantasy transmission techs would be silo-ed by the civilization tiers.
by Normlpeople » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:47 pm
NoFrellsGiven wrote:Jarish Inyo wrote:Opposed. We will never share our technology freely with other nations. Nor will we pay a fee to the WA when we trade goods in international markets.
There are no great secrets to transmission technologies within a given civilization tier. Generating electricity with fusion or zpms would be a massive exchange of tech which this does not mandate. And you can continue to build your own power lines wherever you want. There is only a fee to expand the international lines when you use them. This is not like taxing the open air or sea. It would not be possible to trade electricity internationally if an international organization did not build transmission capacity.
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