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[Draft] World Space Administration (Revised)

Postby Bitely » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:51 am

Ok. Seeing that a) the masses want a WSA, yet b) many WADs are dismayed by the current resolution; I'm posting this for WAD review, debate and amendment.
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NOTING the interest that many member states have of exploring the cosmos.

RECOGNIZING the benefits that cooperation between member states to explore the universe could have.

REALIZING the need for continuous research and development of equipment for efficient cosmic travel.

FURTHER realizing the safety risks cosmic space travel creates.

DEMANDING member states to enact safety regulations for space travel within their governed territory.

FURTHER demanding no member state shall knowingly allow a spacecraft to operate if it has become dangerous to operate.

THE World Assembly hereby Establishes the "World Space Administration" herein referred to as "W.S.A."

COMMISSIONING the W.S.A. to:

i. perform cosmos research and development.

ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).

iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote peaceful relations throughout the cosmos.

iv. Perform missions of exploration through the cosmos.

v. Create cosmos bylaws and policies.

vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.

FORBIDDING the W.S.A. to:

i. create, maintain or assemble a military.

ii. form and maintain a cosmic police force.

iii. Take over member states preexisting space programs

INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Broard. Herein referred to as "WSARB".

ENFORCEMENT of W.S.A. bylaws and policies will be the sole purpose of WSARB.

ALLOWING WSARB to impose fines not exceeding 1% of annual GDP upon Member states violating W.S.A. bylaws and policies.

FUNDING for the W.S.A. will come from the Creation of the "World Assembly Municipal Fund"(herein referred to as WAMF) and VOLUNTARY contributions from member states.

REQUIRES the WAMF to audit the W.S.A. semi-annually and make copies of the findings available to all member states upon request.


This is just a draft feel free to post revised versions or whatever.
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Postby New Aquilia » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:57 am

Again the delegate of Bitely not only misunderstands basic math, 51% after a vote rally to pass the legislation does not equate to a majority of the delegates or even the overall assembly.

Also the delegate should be reminded STRONGLY, that his resolution has passed in the format it was originally drafted and is being discussed for repeal.

The people of New Aquilia reject this attempted amendment and will look to other learned delegates for an actual amendment on this issue should it arise in future.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:11 am

"The C.D.S.P. has absolutely no intention of paying the staggering about of .5% of our GDP to help other nations access space. Fund your own bloody government and let us fund ours. Unacceptable."

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Postby Bitely » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:18 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"The C.D.S.P. has absolutely no intention of paying the staggering about of .5% of our GDP to help other nations access space. Fund your own bloody government and let us fund ours. Unacceptable."

Thanks for the input. That can easily be amended.
I'm leaving the this in the hands of the respectable WADs to mold this into a better resolution.
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Postby New Aquilia » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:22 am

Yet you ignore the key issues suggested....in the enormous amounts of capital nations would have to expend to allow for this program in the first place. And you make no allowances for struggling GDP's in your accounting.

Is this selective reasoning?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:27 am

Bitely wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"The C.D.S.P. has absolutely no intention of paying the staggering about of .5% of our GDP to help other nations access space. Fund your own bloody government and let us fund ours. Unacceptable."

Thanks for the input. That can easily be amended.
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Postby New Aquilia » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:31 am

I second
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Postby World Space Administration » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:36 am

You do realized that the W.S.A. has already been created right? You know that I could just campaign against any attempt for repeal. Instead I'm letting the respectable WADs debate and revise the resolution.

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Postby New Aquilia » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:39 am

OOC: Revision isn't being discussed....repeal is. The WSA being created as a nation is neither here nor there
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Postby Sobaira » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:42 am

The ambassador from Sobaira spoke up, "Legislator, please may you to be hearing my arguments to your resolution of this time. If I may be of beginning..."

Bitely wrote:NOTING the interest that humanity has of exploring the cosmos.


"Opposed; more races than humans are of existing in the World Assembly, could easily be for changed to address all species replacing 'humanity has' with 'people have'."

Bitely wrote:RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore the universe.


"Opposed; this has of been demonstrated false. Believing it is of helpfulness is one thing, but you are of implying that it is necessary which discredits the work of those who have been of achieving that status without it."

Bitely wrote:REALIZING the need for further research and development of equipment for efficient cosmic travel.


"Opposed; is of implying the need for all member states when this is not being of truth. Do not be of forgetting that there are interstellar and of intergalactic nations in the WA."

Bitely wrote:FURTHER realizing the safety risks cosmic space travel creates.


"Agreement; space is of more danger than not-space."

Bitely wrote:DEMANDING member states to enact safety regulations for space travel within their governed territory.


"Opposed; is of actually doing nothing. If Sobaira were of simply saying 'you cannot into space without shoes' it would be of following this demand."

Bitely wrote:FURTHER demanding no member state shall knowingly allow a spacecraft to operate if it has fallen into disrepair.


"Opposed; does more harm than it is of doing good. By preventing the operation of craft that have been damaged in routine use you are of prohibiting damaged craft to attempt to be of returning to port, and are of demanding that they be of sitting still in space wherein they may have been of damaged communications equipment. This line is of sentencing innocents to death. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:THE World Assembly hereby Establishes the "World Space Administration" herein referred to as "W.S.A."

COMMISSIONING the W.S.A. to:

i. perform cosmos research and development.


"Acceptable; if there is to be of a WSA, then it is of researching to be of helping those who need it that would be of desirable."

Bitely wrote:ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).


"Opposed; the wide gap in science of and technology and the lack of explicit distinction for of who these crafts go to, the purpose of these crafts, and of such things leaves a lot to be desired."

Bitely wrote:iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote peaceful relations throughout the cosmos.


"Opposed; is not of clear if this is a voluntary training course or is of mandatory attendance. If is of mandatory attendance, we are into remaining opposed."

Bitely wrote:iv. Perform missions of exploration through the cosmos.


"Opposed; who are to be manning these missions? Members from all states? That is of impractical to pointless, cavemen, magical ponies, humans, interstellar aliens, and highly advanced robots would all be of put into the same, so to say, 'boat' if that were being of the case. Volunteers? Explicitly say so if that is the case."

Bitely wrote:v. Create cosmos bylaws and policies.


"Opposed; there is being of no oversight over the creation of these bylaws and policies. Member nations would be of requiring assurances that certain laws are forbidden from being into passing. As it is, the WSA may be into banning spacecraft from having weapons, despite it of being nowhere in the resolution that weapons are brought up. This is not of the only law that would be into problems, but it is one that I am believing will cause some of the most grief. This is a bad line, I am not thinking you are being able to make all distinctions necessary within the character limit. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.


"Opposed; for of reasons similar to what I had stated above for v., vi. is a bad line. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:FORBIDDING the W.S.A. to:

i. create, maintain or assemble a military.


"Acceptable; it would be illegal to do otherwise."

Bitely wrote:ii. form and maintain a cosmic police force.


"Opposed; the distinction of 'cosmic' is unnecessary and should be removed. Making any police force would be into illegality. If you are to be noting this then do be noting it correctly."

Bitely wrote:INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Broard. Herein referred to as "WSARB".


"Typographical error; 'Broard' should being of 'Board'. The 'Herein' line does not feel that it should be its own sentence, perhaps this should be of reading:"

INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Board, herein referred to as "WSARB".


"Or similarly to how you had done later:"

INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Board (herein referred to as "WSARB").


Bitely wrote:ENFORCEMENT of W.S.A. bylaws and policies will be the sole purpose of WSARB.


"Opposed; other resolutions are not of needing special enforcement pieces. This one is not of needing them either. The, uh..." she sighed, "WA Gnomes are not of needing your help."

Bitely wrote:ALLOWING WSARB to impose fines not exceeding 1% of annual net GDP upon Member states violating W.S.A. bylaws and policies.


"Opposed; this is gross, unnecessary, and destructive. Arguably is also of involuntary funding, which would be of making this illegal. What is to be of done to those fines? Define that. If any fine is used for the funding, then this is also of self contradiction. If fines go into general WA funding, is illegal. If fines go to a private entity, incredible opposition. If the fines are destroyed, incredible opposition. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:FUNDING for the W.S.A. will come from the Creation of the "World Assembly Municipal fund"(herein referred to as WAMF) and VOLUNTARY contributions from member states.


"Typographical errors; 'World Assembly Municipal fund' should be of reading, 'World Assembly Municipal Fund'."

Bitely wrote:REQUIRING 1/2 of a percent(0.5%) from every member states annual GDP for WAMF.


"Opposed; illegal. The WA may not be of levying taxes, this is a tax."

She took a long drink from a glass of cold water, and let loose a sigh, "The legislation is still very bad, is into doing too much and too little both at once, is crippling, illegal, damaging to those who it would be of into helping, and damaging of to everyone in the WA in totality. It would be of helping no one, but hurting everyone in the WA at best. Legislator, this resolution is even worse than the one you submitted already. Please to be making changes to it. Thank you for your time."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:51 am

World Space Administration wrote:You do realized that the W.S.A. has already been created right? You know that I could just campaign against any attempt for repeal. Instead I'm letting the respectable WADs debate and revise the resolution.

"This shouldn't be law. In any iteration. Campaign or don't, but the experienced veterans see this as abjectly harmful for any nation with an interest in space. That you can't see that is, quite frankly, unsurprising given your entirely unsupported self-worship in the form of creating a political puppet to toot your own flawed resolution's horn. The WA is better off without this. I, at least, won't stop trying to get rid of it until it's gone, regardless of the cost."

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Postby Bitely » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:53 am

Sobaira wrote:The ambassador from Sobaira spoke up, "Legislator, please may you to be hearing my arguments to your resolution of this time. If I may be of beginning..."

Bitely wrote:NOTING the interest that humanity has of exploring the cosmos.


"Opposed; more races than humans are of existing in the World Assembly, could easily be for changed to address all species replacing 'humanity has' with 'people have'."

Bitely wrote:RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore the universe.


"Opposed; this has of been demonstrated false. Believing it is of helpfulness is one thing, but you are of implying that it is necessary which discredits the work of those who have been of achieving that status without it."

Bitely wrote:REALIZING the need for further research and development of equipment for efficient cosmic travel.


"Opposed; is of implying the need for all member states when this is not being of truth. Do not be of forgetting that there are interstellar and of intergalactic nations in the WA."

Bitely wrote:FURTHER realizing the safety risks cosmic space travel creates.


"Agreement; space is of more danger than not-space."

Bitely wrote:DEMANDING member states to enact safety regulations for space travel within their governed territory.


"Opposed; is of actually doing nothing. If Sobaira were of simply saying 'you cannot into space without shoes' it would be of following this demand."

Bitely wrote:FURTHER demanding no member state shall knowingly allow a spacecraft to operate if it has fallen into disrepair.


"Opposed; does more harm than it is of doing good. By preventing the operation of craft that have been damaged in routine use you are of prohibiting damaged craft to attempt to be of returning to port, and are of demanding that they be of sitting still in space wherein they may have been of damaged communications equipment. This line is of sentencing innocents to death. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:THE World Assembly hereby Establishes the "World Space Administration" herein referred to as "W.S.A."

COMMISSIONING the W.S.A. to:

i. perform cosmos research and development.


"Acceptable; if there is to be of a WSA, then it is of researching to be of helping those who need it that would be of desirable."

Bitely wrote:ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).


"Opposed; the wide gap in science of and technology and the lack of explicit distinction for of who these crafts go to, the purpose of these crafts, and of such things leaves a lot to be desired."

Bitely wrote:iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote peaceful relations throughout the cosmos.


"Opposed; is not of clear if this is a voluntary training course or is of mandatory attendance. If is of mandatory attendance, we are into remaining opposed."

Bitely wrote:iv. Perform missions of exploration through the cosmos.


"Opposed; who are to be manning these missions? Members from all states? That is of impractical to pointless, cavemen, magical ponies, humans, interstellar aliens, and highly advanced robots would all be of put into the same, so to say, 'boat' if that were being of the case. Volunteers? Explicitly say so if that is the case."

Bitely wrote:v. Create cosmos bylaws and policies.


"Opposed; there is being of no oversight over the creation of these bylaws and policies. Member nations would be of requiring assurances that certain laws are forbidden from being into passing. As it is, the WSA may be into banning spacecraft from having weapons, despite it of being nowhere in the resolution that weapons are brought up. This is not of the only law that would be into problems, but it is one that I am believing will cause some of the most grief. This is a bad line, I am not thinking you are being able to make all distinctions necessary within the character limit. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.


"Opposed; for of reasons similar to what I had stated above for v., vi. is a bad line. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:FORBIDDING the W.S.A. to:

i. create, maintain or assemble a military.


"Acceptable; it would be illegal to do otherwise."

Bitely wrote:ii. form and maintain a cosmic police force.


"Opposed; the distinction of 'cosmic' is unnecessary and should be removed. Making any police force would be into illegality. If you are to be noting this then do be noting it correctly."

Bitely wrote:INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Broard. Herein referred to as "WSARB".


"Typographical error; 'Broard' should being of 'Board'. The 'Herein' line does not feel that it should be its own sentence, perhaps this should be of reading:"

INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Board, herein referred to as "WSARB".


"Or similarly to how you had done later:"

INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Board (herein referred to as "WSARB").


Bitely wrote:ENFORCEMENT of W.S.A. bylaws and policies will be the sole purpose of WSARB.


"Opposed; other resolutions are not of needing special enforcement pieces. This one is not of needing them either. The, uh..." she sighed, "WA Gnomes are not of needing your help."

Bitely wrote:ALLOWING WSARB to impose fines not exceeding 1% of annual net GDP upon Member states violating W.S.A. bylaws and policies.


"Opposed; this is gross, unnecessary, and destructive. Arguably is also of involuntary funding, which would be of making this illegal. What is to be of done to those fines? Define that. If any fine is used for the funding, then this is also of self contradiction. If fines go into general WA funding, is illegal. If fines go to a private entity, incredible opposition. If the fines are destroyed, incredible opposition. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:FUNDING for the W.S.A. will come from the Creation of the "World Assembly Municipal fund"(herein referred to as WAMF) and VOLUNTARY contributions from member states.


"Typographical errors; 'World Assembly Municipal fund' should be of reading, 'World Assembly Municipal Fund'."

Bitely wrote:REQUIRING 1/2 of a percent(0.5%) from every member states annual GDP for WAMF.


"Opposed; illegal. The WA may not be of levying taxes, this is a tax."

She took a long drink from a glass of cold water, and let loose a sigh, "The legislation is still very bad, is into doing too much and too little both at once, is crippling, illegal, damaging to those who it would be of into helping, and damaging of to everyone in the WA in totality. It would be of helping no one, but hurting everyone in the WA at best. Legislator, this resolution is even worse than the one you submitted already. Please to be making changes to it. Thank you for your time."

Thank you for the great review you've provided. I'll edit the draft asap. Ooc:I only have a nonsmart phone so it's difficult to draw up anything of any sort of length.
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Postby Caracasus » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:23 am

Ambassador, there is no way you will be able to draft a resolution that suits all nation states on a topic as complex and diverse as space flight. WA nations have vastly varying technological levels, from nomadic bronze age peoples, right through to galaxy-spanning empires.

However, we will examine this new proposal, and we are glad that you are at least taking this to draft to get feedback.

NOTING the interest that humanity has of exploring the cosmos.


This is simply not true of every nation. Some nations would rather spend their money on improving the standards of living for their people before venturing across the cosmos.

RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore the universe.


Why? Could you please explain why co-operation needs to be enforced by legislation between nation states to explore the universe? Surely if Caracasus wants to work with other nations on developing radio telescopes, for example, we would do so. This also fails to address the myriad reasons, motivations and end goals of space-faring and exploring nations. Our goals may not be compatible with the goals of an interstellar empire, or the goals of a nation starting to launch its very first space vessels.

REALIZING the need for further research and development of equipment for efficient cosmic travel.

FURTHER realizing the safety risks cosmic space travel creates.

DEMANDING member states to enact safety regulations for space travel within their governed territory.


These seem fair to us, although of course you are still legislating across technology ranging from chemical rocketry to warp drive - but the basics of this are OK. Still needs a lot of work, and frankly all three of these could result in their own legislation. Please note, that whilst we can see these as fair, they would need a significant amount of work to turn them into anything approaching usable.

FURTHER demanding no member state shall knowingly allow a spacecraft to operate if it has fallen into disrepair.


Surely if a spacecraft has fallen into disrepair, then operating it would become impossible anyway? Again, this is kind of OK, but could form a piece of legislation in its own right, with a significant amount of work. This proposal, apart from anything else, simply does far too much.

COMMISSIONING the W.S.A. to:

i. perform cosmos research and development.

ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).

iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote peaceful relations throughout the cosmos.

iv. Perform missions of exploration through the cosmos.

v. Create cosmos bylaws and policies.

vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.


Well, here we are a little perplexed. Nothing much seems to have changed. Essentially you are demanding once more that the entire WA uses the WSA to perform missions, train cosmonauts - that the WSA regulates all cosmos travel, and creates laws. You are also not giving the WSA any way of actually enforcing the legislation that they may pass. We feel that this is simply not needed. At present, some nations in the WA do not have space craft, some do, and many fall somewhere in-between. What this resolution does is not only force WA nations who have no interest in space exploration into exploring space, but also forces higher technology nations to abide by rules and laws that simply do not fit them.

ENFORCEMENT of W.S.A. bylaws and policies will be the sole purpose of WSARB.


You have created not one, but two committees? Why?

FUNDING for the W.S.A. will come from the Creation of the "World Assembly Municipal fund"(herein referred to as WAMF) and VOLUNTARY contributions from member states.

REQUIRING 1/2 of a percent(0.5%) from every member states annual GDP for WAMF


We feel that firstly these two statements are contradictory. Voluntary contributions and a 0.5% GDP levy? This strikes us as absolutely insane. Again, you have many nations in the WA with absolutely no interest whatsoever in exploring space. Why are you intent on forcing this on them? Perhaps they would rather spend that 0.5% on schools, hospitals, public transport or even a great big statue. It's their call.

We would not support this measure in any way as it appears at the moment. We strongly suggest that the good ambassador scraps this and works on a different area of legislation.
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Postby Jorren » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:36 am

No no and no. Go away and quit wasting the copious amounts of the WA's time.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:17 am

You do know the only reason this passed in the first place was because Ramaeus voted for it, right?
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Postby The Defwaen Confederation » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:21 am

Here is where my problem lies:

"Create cosmos bylaws and policies."

That line blocks all future legislation on space and puts it entirely in the hands of an undemocratic organization with zero oversight.
I'm not saying we don't need legislation on space. Defwa authored what is (statistically speaking) the best active space resolution in Debris Prevention. However in that case, a majority agreed that specific rules to prevent a specific problem were necessary.

Here, you (out of what I assume to be well meaning ignorance) offered a blanket statement with no parameters. That frankly should not be how international law works.



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Postby Tinfect » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:12 pm

OOC:
Here we go again...

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Bitely wrote:RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore the universe.
REALIZING the need for further research and development of equipment for efficient cosmic travel.


"Again, the Imperium objects to both of these statements, we have been doing this for well over 300 Years now, and we neither need, nor want the interference of an International Body in many aspects of our Government."

Bitely wrote:DEMANDING member states to enact safety regulations for space travel within their governed territory.


"This falls under the mistake as last time, Ambassador. You do not actually mandate any regulation, save for the following."

Bitely wrote:FURTHER demanding no member state shall knowingly allow a spacecraft to operate if it has fallen into disrepair.


"I think if you were to take a look at the Repeal, you would find my opinion on the matter. In fact, I think I'll just use it."
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"Noting that the Resolution demands that Member States disallow the use of vessels in a state of disrepair, without exception regarding vessels damaged in space or other unavoidable circumstances,
Until such time as you can address this matter, along with many others, we will remains opposed."

Bitely wrote:v. Create cosmos bylaws and policies.
vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.


"Again, nothing here is changed from the last time you attempted this. You give the WSA Authority to regulate Member States, and then neglect to mention what it will be doing. As before, it would only cripple the Interplanetary and Interstellar Travel of Member States, and little else."

Bitely wrote:INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Broard. Herein referred to as "WSARB".
ENFORCEMENT of W.S.A. bylaws and policies will be the sole purpose of WSARB.
ALLOWING WSARB to impose fines not exceeding 1% of annual net GDP upon Member states violating W.S.A. bylaws and policies.


"Absolutely not. The Imperium will not be paying any Fines to your Organization. I think you will find that to be quite widespread among Member States. Besides the point that I object to the use of GDP."

Bitely wrote:FUNDING for the W.S.A. will come from the Creation of the "World Assembly Municipal fund"(herein referred to as WAMF) and VOLUNTARY contributions from member states.


"Contradicts your future statements, and conflicts with the already established General Fund."

Bitely wrote:REQUIRING 1/2 of a percent(0.5%) from every member states annual GDP for WAMF.


"No. No, No, and No again, Ambassador. The Imperium will not pay into any system by such mandate. Especially not by such an amount, you clearly lack even the most basic understanding of economics. Although, again, I object to the use of Gross Domestic Product."
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The ambassador from Sobaira spoke up, "Legislator, please may you to be hearing my arguments to your resolution of this time. If I may be of beginning..."

Bitely wrote:NOTING the interest that humanity has of exploring the cosmos.


"Opposed; more races than humans are of existing in the World Assembly, could easily be for changed to address all species replacing 'humanity has' with 'people have'."

Bitely wrote:RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore the universe.


"Opposed; this has of been demonstrated false. Believing it is of helpfulness is one thing, but you are of implying that it is necessary which discredits the work of those who have been of achieving that status without it."

Bitely wrote:REALIZING the need for further research and development of equipment for efficient cosmic travel.


"Opposed; is of implying the need for all member states when this is not being of truth. Do not be of forgetting that there are interstellar and of intergalactic nations in the WA."

Bitely wrote:FURTHER realizing the safety risks cosmic space travel creates.


"Agreement; space is of more danger than not-space."

Bitely wrote:DEMANDING member states to enact safety regulations for space travel within their governed territory.


"Opposed; is of actually doing nothing. If Sobaira were of simply saying 'you cannot into space without shoes' it would be of following this demand."

Bitely wrote:FURTHER demanding no member state shall knowingly allow a spacecraft to operate if it has fallen into disrepair.


"Opposed; does more harm than it is of doing good. By preventing the operation of craft that have been damaged in routine use you are of prohibiting damaged craft to attempt to be of returning to port, and are of demanding that they be of sitting still in space wherein they may have been of damaged communications equipment. This line is of sentencing innocents to death. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:THE World Assembly hereby Establishes the "World Space Administration" herein referred to as "W.S.A."

COMMISSIONING the W.S.A. to:

i. perform cosmos research and development.


"Acceptable; if there is to be of a WSA, then it is of researching to be of helping those who need it that would be of desirable."

Bitely wrote:ii. build cosmic spacecraft(s).


"Opposed; the wide gap in science of and technology and the lack of explicit distinction for of who these crafts go to, the purpose of these crafts, and of such things leaves a lot to be desired."

Bitely wrote:iii. Train cosmonauts to explore and promote peaceful relations throughout the cosmos.


"Opposed; is not of clear if this is a voluntary training course or is of mandatory attendance. If is of mandatory attendance, we are into remaining opposed."

Bitely wrote:iv. Perform missions of exploration through the cosmos.


"Opposed; who are to be manning these missions? Members from all states? That is of impractical to pointless, cavemen, magical ponies, humans, interstellar aliens, and highly advanced robots would all be of put into the same, so to say, 'boat' if that were being of the case. Volunteers? Explicitly say so if that is the case."

Bitely wrote:v. Create cosmos bylaws and policies.


"Opposed; there is being of no oversight over the creation of these bylaws and policies. Member nations would be of requiring assurances that certain laws are forbidden from being into passing. As it is, the WSA may be into banning spacecraft from having weapons, despite it of being nowhere in the resolution that weapons are brought up. This is not of the only law that would be into problems, but it is one that I am believing will cause some of the most grief. This is a bad line, I am not thinking you are being able to make all distinctions necessary within the character limit. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:vi. Regulate all WA member states cosmos travel.


"Opposed; for of reasons similar to what I had stated above for v., vi. is a bad line. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:FORBIDDING the W.S.A. to:

i. create, maintain or assemble a military.


"Acceptable; it would be illegal to do otherwise."

Bitely wrote:ii. form and maintain a cosmic police force.


"Opposed; the distinction of 'cosmic' is unnecessary and should be removed. Making any police force would be into illegality. If you are to be noting this then do be noting it correctly."

Bitely wrote:INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Broard. Herein referred to as "WSARB".


"Typographical error; 'Broard' should being of 'Board'. The 'Herein' line does not feel that it should be its own sentence, perhaps this should be of reading:"

INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Board, herein referred to as "WSARB".


"Or similarly to how you had done later:"

INSTITUTING the World Space Administration Review Board (herein referred to as "WSARB").


Bitely wrote:ENFORCEMENT of W.S.A. bylaws and policies will be the sole purpose of WSARB.


"Opposed; other resolutions are not of needing special enforcement pieces. This one is not of needing them either. The, uh..." she sighed, "WA Gnomes are not of needing your help."

Bitely wrote:ALLOWING WSARB to impose fines not exceeding 1% of annual net GDP upon Member states violating W.S.A. bylaws and policies.


"Opposed; this is gross, unnecessary, and destructive. Arguably is also of involuntary funding, which would be of making this illegal. What is to be of done to those fines? Define that. If any fine is used for the funding, then this is also of self contradiction. If fines go into general WA funding, is illegal. If fines go to a private entity, incredible opposition. If the fines are destroyed, incredible opposition. Opposed."

Bitely wrote:FUNDING for the W.S.A. will come from the Creation of the "World Assembly Municipal fund"(herein referred to as WAMF) and VOLUNTARY contributions from member states.


"Typographical errors; 'World Assembly Municipal fund' should be of reading, 'World Assembly Municipal Fund'."

Bitely wrote:REQUIRING 1/2 of a percent(0.5%) from every member states annual GDP for WAMF.


"Opposed; illegal. The WA may not be of levying taxes, this is a tax."

She took a long drink from a glass of cold water, and let loose a sigh, "The legislation is still very bad, is into doing too much and too little both at once, is crippling, illegal, damaging to those who it would be of into helping, and damaging of to everyone in the WA in totality. It would be of helping no one, but hurting everyone in the WA at best. Legislator, this resolution is even worse than the one you submitted already. Please to be making changes to it. Thank you for your time."


The Excidian Ambassador nods her head in approval at the comments of the Sobairan ambassador. Except the comment that 'space is of more safe than not-space', to which she frowns and mutters something about how "starships are safer than planets because starships can flee danger".
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:53 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Sobaira wrote:The ambassador from Sobaira spoke up, "Legislator, please may you to be hearing my arguments to your resolution of this time. If I may be of beginning..."



"Opposed; more races than humans are of existing in the World Assembly, could easily be for changed to address all species replacing 'humanity has' with 'people have'."



"Opposed; this has of been demonstrated false. Believing it is of helpfulness is one thing, but you are of implying that it is necessary which discredits the work of those who have been of achieving that status without it."



"Opposed; is of implying the need for all member states when this is not being of truth. Do not be of forgetting that there are interstellar and of intergalactic nations in the WA."



"Agreement; space is of more danger than not-space."



"Opposed; is of actually doing nothing. If Sobaira were of simply saying 'you cannot into space without shoes' it would be of following this demand."



"Opposed; does more harm than it is of doing good. By preventing the operation of craft that have been damaged in routine use you are of prohibiting damaged craft to attempt to be of returning to port, and are of demanding that they be of sitting still in space wherein they may have been of damaged communications equipment. This line is of sentencing innocents to death. Opposed."



"Acceptable; if there is to be of a WSA, then it is of researching to be of helping those who need it that would be of desirable."



"Opposed; the wide gap in science of and technology and the lack of explicit distinction for of who these crafts go to, the purpose of these crafts, and of such things leaves a lot to be desired."



"Opposed; is not of clear if this is a voluntary training course or is of mandatory attendance. If is of mandatory attendance, we are into remaining opposed."



"Opposed; who are to be manning these missions? Members from all states? That is of impractical to pointless, cavemen, magical ponies, humans, interstellar aliens, and highly advanced robots would all be of put into the same, so to say, 'boat' if that were being of the case. Volunteers? Explicitly say so if that is the case."



"Opposed; there is being of no oversight over the creation of these bylaws and policies. Member nations would be of requiring assurances that certain laws are forbidden from being into passing. As it is, the WSA may be into banning spacecraft from having weapons, despite it of being nowhere in the resolution that weapons are brought up. This is not of the only law that would be into problems, but it is one that I am believing will cause some of the most grief. This is a bad line, I am not thinking you are being able to make all distinctions necessary within the character limit. Opposed."



"Opposed; for of reasons similar to what I had stated above for v., vi. is a bad line. Opposed."



"Acceptable; it would be illegal to do otherwise."



"Opposed; the distinction of 'cosmic' is unnecessary and should be removed. Making any police force would be into illegality. If you are to be noting this then do be noting it correctly."



"Typographical error; 'Broard' should being of 'Board'. The 'Herein' line does not feel that it should be its own sentence, perhaps this should be of reading:"



"Or similarly to how you had done later:"





"Opposed; other resolutions are not of needing special enforcement pieces. This one is not of needing them either. The, uh..." she sighed, "WA Gnomes are not of needing your help."



"Opposed; this is gross, unnecessary, and destructive. Arguably is also of involuntary funding, which would be of making this illegal. What is to be of done to those fines? Define that. If any fine is used for the funding, then this is also of self contradiction. If fines go into general WA funding, is illegal. If fines go to a private entity, incredible opposition. If the fines are destroyed, incredible opposition. Opposed."



"Typographical errors; 'World Assembly Municipal fund' should be of reading, 'World Assembly Municipal Fund'."



"Opposed; illegal. The WA may not be of levying taxes, this is a tax."

She took a long drink from a glass of cold water, and let loose a sigh, "The legislation is still very bad, is into doing too much and too little both at once, is crippling, illegal, damaging to those who it would be of into helping, and damaging of to everyone in the WA in totality. It would be of helping no one, but hurting everyone in the WA at best. Legislator, this resolution is even worse than the one you submitted already. Please to be making changes to it. Thank you for your time."


The Excidian Ambassador nods her head in approval at the comments of the Sobairan ambassador. Except the comment that 'space is of more safe than not-space', to which she frowns and mutters something about how "starships are safer than planets because starships can flee danger".

In a moment of frustration, Parsons mutters, 'Was it really necessary to read all that into the record again? Nice quip about starships though. But, technically, wouldn't starships be some "not-space"?'

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:33 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:You do know the only reason this passed in the first place was because Ramaeus voted for it, right?


I believe it was Aersoldorf that cast the deciding vote on the matter.

Also people, spoilers exist for a reason. Please use them. It was painful to have to scroll through that massive wall of text just to see a six word reply. >:(

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:25 pm

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Kaboomlandia wrote:You do know the only reason this passed in the first place was because Ramaeus voted for it, right?


I believe it was Aersoldorf that cast the deciding vote on the matter.

Also people, spoilers exist for a reason. Please use them. It was painful to have to scroll through that massive wall of text just to see a six word reply. >:(


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Postby Lichian » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:27 am

The ambassador of Lichian, still in a heavily intoxicated state following last night's binge drinking session, had this to say about the amendment:

"Half a [redacted] percent?! Are you pulling my [redacted] [redacted]?! It's a [redacted] miracle that this law managed to [redacted] pass, and now they demand a [redacted] half a percent of our GDP?! Do they know how much that [redacted] is?! It's not a small bit of [redacted] change! It's over a trillion [redacted] ducats! You know what you can buy with that [redacted]?! A gold [redacted] plated aircraft carrier, that's what! [Redacted], that'd probably be more useful than what this amendment outlines! And what about all these rules?! We've yet to see a single rule, but we've seen the penalty! One [redacted] percent of the GDP if I so much as [redacted] up a single [redacted] guideline!"

The ambassador grew quiet as an aid rushed up to him and whispered something into his ear. A few moments later his face was red and a roar came out of his mouth.

"What the [redacted]?! A [redacted] review board? You do realize those fat [redacted] are just gonna' be using this to line their pockets, yeah? If I wanted to burn off one and a half percent of this country's [redacted] GDP I'd buy a Maxtopian car for every [redacted] citizen! And not those cheap Brasilistan knock-offs either. [redacted] this, I'm going back to the pub."

The ambassador staggered off of his podium, only to be replaced with an aid with several papers in his hand.

"Er, what the ambassador is saying is that, uhm, he does not endorse this."

"You're God [redacted] [redacted] right I don't!" the ambassador called from the hallway.
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Postby Jorren » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:01 am

Lichian wrote:The ambassador of Lichian, still in a heavily intoxicated state following last night's binge drinking session, had this to say about the amendment:

"Half a [redacted] percent?! Are you pulling my [redacted] [redacted]?! It's a [redacted] miracle that this law managed to [redacted] pass, and now they demand a [redacted] half a percent of our GDP?! Do they know how much that [redacted] is?! It's not a small bit of [redacted] change! It's over a trillion [redacted] ducats! You know what you can buy with that [redacted]?! A gold [redacted] plated aircraft carrier, that's what! [Redacted], that'd probably be more useful than what this amendment outlines! And what about all these rules?! We've yet to see a single rule, but we've seen the penalty! One [redacted] percent of the GDP if I so much as [redacted] up a single [redacted] guideline!"

The ambassador grew quiet as an aid rushed up to him and whispered something into his ear. A few moments later his face was red and a roar came out of his mouth.

"What the [redacted]?! A [redacted] review board? You do realize those fat [redacted] are just gonna' be using this to line their pockets, yeah? If I wanted to burn off one and a half percent of this country's [redacted] GDP I'd buy a Maxtopian car for every [redacted] citizen! And not those cheap Brasilistan knock-offs either. [redacted] this, I'm going back to the pub."

The ambassador staggered off of his podium, only to be replaced with an aid with several papers in his hand.

"Er, what the ambassador is saying is that, uhm, he does not endorse this."

"You're God [redacted] [redacted] right I don't!" the ambassador called from the hallway.


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Postby SS Thief » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:53 am

Lichian wrote:The ambassador of Lichian, still in a heavily intoxicated state following last night's binge drinking session, had this to say about the amendment:

"Half a [redacted] percent?! Are you pulling my [redacted] [redacted]?! It's a [redacted] miracle that this law managed to [redacted] pass, and now they demand a [redacted] half a percent of our GDP?! Do they know how much that [redacted] is?! It's not a small bit of [redacted] change! It's over a trillion [redacted] ducats! You know what you can buy with that [redacted]?! A gold [redacted] plated aircraft carrier, that's what! [Redacted], that'd probably be more useful than what this amendment outlines! And what about all these rules?! We've yet to see a single rule, but we've seen the penalty! One [redacted] percent of the GDP if I so much as [redacted] up a single [redacted] guideline!"

The ambassador grew quiet as an aid rushed up to him and whispered something into his ear. A few moments later his face was red and a roar came out of his mouth.

"What the [redacted]?! A [redacted] review board? You do realize those fat [redacted] are just gonna' be using this to line their pockets, yeah? If I wanted to burn off one and a half percent of this country's [redacted] GDP I'd buy a Maxtopian car for every [redacted] citizen! And not those cheap Brasilistan knock-offs either. [redacted] this, I'm going back to the pub."

The ambassador staggered off of his podium, only to be replaced with an aid with several papers in his hand.

"Er, what the ambassador is saying is that, uhm, he does not endorse this."

"You're God [redacted] [redacted] right I don't!" the ambassador called from the hallway.

The ambassador to the SS Thief stood up, a huge grin on his face. He opened his mouth to the microphone but quickly held back a laugh into a snicker and sat back down. He took a minute to regain himself before standing up again, still a wide smile behind the microphone.
"Th-Th-" He suppressed some more laughter before clearing his throat and continuing. "The SS Thief believes the-" Another snicker, "honorable ambassador is correct. A half percent of a nation's GDP, even to mere interplanetary nations such as the SS Thief, is an incredibly large amount. It's simply too much, it's an extremely high tax to have to deal with, and then there's the matter of this fine. 1% of the GDP? I know that's a ceiling, but that means the SS Thief could lose..." He does some quick math in his head. "About 3.5 trillion Kons, not mentioning the .5% tax, if someone so much as screws up during in-flight maintenance and the craft is sent into a state of 'disrepair'. The ambassador raised another good point. The second committee you wish to establish, the... [redacted] review board, as he called it? Well, what's stopping it from becoming corrupted? They're not elected democratically, and even if they were it wouldn't help much. What would stop one of these review board members from, say, paying some of these cosmonauts we're forced to train to mess up the craft they're assigned so we can be fined? What's to stop them from hiring men to sabotage something in the shipyards these crafts are made in so that they can be fined later? These people have way too much power. With a bit of skilled word play and a few greased palms these people could topple nations into economic bankruptcy, possibly causing the entire nation's societal collapse, or a revolution. And that's to large interstellar nations! Imagine what it could do to the poorer nations in the WA! Imagine if you're living in a small dirt hut and you have to eat bugs for dinner every night, then all of a sudden they take your hut away and say you're in debt because somewhere up in the space you've never been taught about someone from your country screwed up the highly advanced spacecraft assigned to your nation by a bunch of fat rich [redacted] up in the WA." He seems to realize what he just said. "Sorry, I... Think the good ambassador is rubbing off on me. What I'm simply saying is... the SS Thief believes this version of the WSA to be even more grossly overpowered and poorly designed as the last, and will be forced to quit the WA and encourage others to if this was somehow passed. If only to keep our entire economy from falling into the pockets of review board members."
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