On Universal Immunization[Abandoned]

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: I was aware of that Mouse. I am aware of the lobby of big pharma and its effects on healthcare however, which is why I do not support mandatory drugs or treatments. I have no issue with promotion or education, the final decision must be the the hands of the patient.

IC: "A few issues. First, Herd immunity works both ways. If one nation was to vaccinate your population with a oroper immunization agent against a particular virus, then why does it matter that another has an issue with it? Since the citizens of the hypothetical first nation are immune, why force it on another against thier wishes or beliefs?

I also question how this would affect vaccines of dubious effectiveness, such as flu shots. Would such things be required?

Lastly, I assume there will be an opt-out for religious or personal beliefs?"

"Because it could affect other nations significantly, which would have dramatic affects on the web of economic and political ties nations have worked hard to create. Since diseases and epidemics travel with no regard to borders or nationality, it's a certifiably international issue."

[Mousebumples]

I also question how this would affect vaccines of dubious effectiveness, such as flu shots.

It's cute that you think flu shots are of "dubious effectiveness." As I referenced above, the efficacy of the flu shot varies somewhat from year to year, due to "antigenic drift." Even in years such as this one, where the flu shot was less effective than it still has been in previous years, it was still effective.. Please see this article from the CDC for more information about how the flu vaccine works.

[Defwa]

OOC: I was aware of that Mouse. I am aware of the lobby of big pharma and its effects on healthcare however, which is why I do not support mandatory drugs or treatments. I have no issue with promotion or education, the final decision must be the the hands of the patient.

IC: "A few issues. First, Herd immunity works both ways. If one nation was to vaccinate your population with a oroper immunization agent against a particular virus, then why does it matter that another has an issue with it? Since the citizens of the hypothetical first nation are immune, why force it on another against thier wishes or beliefs?

I also question how this would affect vaccines of dubious effectiveness, such as flu shots. Would such things be required?

Lastly, I assume there will be an opt-out for religious or personal beliefs?"

"Because it could affect other nations significantly, which would have dramatic affects on the web of economic and political ties nations have worked hard to create. Since diseases and epidemics travel with no regard to borders or nationality, it's a certifiably international issue."

To expound, allowing an easily preventable virus to flourish because we want everyone to have a choice gives it opportunity to mutate moreso than it would otherwise have.
When the disease travel, it poses a threat to even the vaccinated because it has changed into another virus.

That is to say, people who made the sensible choice have their health put at risk in a way they now have no control over.
Relatedly, of course no exception should be offered for personal choices like that. Would rather defeat the purpose.

And while your flu example is dubious, I do agree that only effective and relatively safe vaccines should be mandated, with alternatives where possible- all decided in Committee of course.

[New Finnish Republic]

Will each country be liable for expenses pertaining only to their own respective country, or will funds be distributed throughout the various nations? Some nations may not be able to afford the cost of mass vaccinations, and others, like my own, do not wish to use our own money to pay for those from other nations.

[NoFrellsGiven]

A few concerns:

1) I think herd immunity is dependent on a random distribution of vaccinated/unvaccinated. A minority religious community that concentrates unvaccinated will still be a high risk scenario in a nation that otherwise meets herd thresholds.

2) I am curious on the technical side of the game how will the consequences of this resolution be calculated? Do we have disease modeled in the game? Will the number of vaccinated in ones region affect disease? Will unvaccinated outside one's region have less of an affect? Can we get some graphs

3) I would prefer not to make religious exceptions to the resolution. But instead allow WA members to operate in violation of the resolution. Followed by thresholds of consequences for WA resolution violations. For example if 20% of resolutions violated: military sanctions. 50% full sanctions. 80% right to declare war.

[Separatist Peoples]

A few concerns:

1) I think herd immunity is dependent on a random distribution of vaccinated/unvaccinated. A minority religious community that concentrates unvaccinated will still be a high risk scenario in a nation that otherwise meets herd thresholds.

2) I am curious on the technical side of the game how will the consequences of this resolution be calculated? Do we have disease modeled in the game? Will the number of vaccinated in ones region affect disease? Will unvaccinated outside one's region have less of an affect? Can we get some graphs

3) I would prefer not to make religious exceptions to the resolution. But instead allow WA members to operate in violation of the resolution. Followed by thresholds of consequences for WA resolution violations. For example if 20% of resolutions violated: military sanctions. 50% full sanctions. 80% right to declare war.

"Literally none of #3 is legal. The WA doesn't have the power to sanction in that regard, and has absolutely no authority over WA member's military. All resolutions are binding, they cannot be optional. The nature of noncompliance is still...contested, but it is generally considered that the WA's laws make lasting changes to your national laws to bring you into compliance."

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

but it is generally considered that the WA's laws make lasting changes to your national laws to bring you into compliance."

And obviously they are quite the lasting changes considering a repeal only repairs half the damage done.

[Sionis Prioratus]

More powers to the WHA? Count us in! FOR

Yours,

[Three Weasels]

Please forgive our unexpected absence. You see, we were briefly engaged in internal matters with our own government over certain expenditures. Apparently the opposition wouldn't shut its cheese hole unless the auditor general went over our expenses, and alas, we were called to testify. Pesky thing that. With that, we will review the critiques, comments; etc left by fellow delegates and act accordingly.