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Cool Spring
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Lesser Gun Laws

Postby Cool Spring » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:52 pm

The World Assembly,

Strongly reaffirming its belief that all citizens should be able to defend themselves with a firearm.

Believing that Gun Control problems are not contributing to the rise of criminality.

Convinced that lesser Gun Control would solve this issue.

Facts are that people use these guns for self-defense. If we take their guns away then we are taking their defense away from them. Its the person that kills, not the gun. That's why I call for more tests to prove that you aren't a crazy wacko.

I would be willing to compromise.

These are the articles of this bill:

1. Allows the possession of any guns.

2. States that in order to own a gun a civilian must have a gun permit.

3. Affirms that a gun permit can only be obtained after taking classes from trained gun instructors and passing 3 different examinations conducted by a certified psychiatrist.

4. Confirms that illegal possession of a gun, illegal in this case means someone without a gun license who is carrying a firearm, is in violation of this law and is considered a crime punishable by incarceration up to 5 years and fining.

5. Overturns any previous Anti-Gun bill and replaces it with this one.

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District XIV
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Postby District XIV » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:53 pm

That's why I call for more tests to prove that you aren't a crazy wacko.

I would be willing to compromise.

Branding.

Also illegal for repealing without using the repeal function.
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Bezombia
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Postby Bezombia » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:54 pm

Also, isn't it a rule that WA mandates can't directly conflict with NS issues?
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Postby District XIV » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:54 pm

Bezombia wrote:Also, isn't it a rule that WA mandates can't directly conflict with NS issues?

No.

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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:55 pm

We are opposed to legalisation (of psychiatry) so we must oppose this.

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Postby Bezombia » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:55 pm

District XIV wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Also, isn't it a rule that WA mandates can't directly conflict with NS issues?

No.

Someone should write a WA proposal saying that WA proposals can't interfere with NS issues.
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Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
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District XIV
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Postby District XIV » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:56 pm

Bezombia wrote:
District XIV wrote:No.

Someone should write a WA proposal saying that WA proposals can't interfere with NS issues.

That would be metagaming, hence against the rules. Such an illegality would have to be initiated by the mods.

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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:56 pm

Bezombia wrote:
District XIV wrote:No.

Someone should write a WA proposal saying that WA proposals can't interfere with NS issues.

That would be illegal as a Game Mechanics violation, and would retroactively invalidate many resolutions (or issues). So no, they definitely shouldn't.

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Bezombia
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Postby Bezombia » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:57 pm

District XIV wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Someone should write a WA proposal saying that WA proposals can't interfere with NS issues.

That would be metagaming, hence against the rules. Such an illegality would have to be initiated by the mods.

I didn't say it should be submitted.
Just that it should be written. In the same vein as the "Repeal GA#1" or "Ban everything" proposals.
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Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
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District XIV
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Postby District XIV » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:58 pm

Bezombia wrote:
District XIV wrote:That would be metagaming, hence against the rules. Such an illegality would have to be initiated by the mods.

I didn't say it should be submitted.
Just that it should be written. In the same vein as the "Repeal GA#1" or "Ban everything" proposals.

That would be utter spam, then, unless posted in the joke proposal thread.
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Normlpeople
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Postby Normlpeople » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:04 pm

Clover chuckled at the latest piece of laughable gun control legislation crossing her desk. "Please tell me more about how criminals and psychopaths follow laws. My stance is the same as always. There will be no testing nor mandatory psychiatric evaluations. Opposed."
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Chester Pearson
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Postby Chester Pearson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:07 pm

Overturns any previous Anti-Gun bill and replaces it with this one.


Trying to repeal within legislation. This is a first....
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Defwa
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Postby Defwa » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:10 pm

Well this has been an utter disaster. Cool spring, please read the rules in their entirety, skim passed resolutions, and participate in other debates before authoring your own proposal.

It will take some time for you to learn what is expected of proposals but if you follow my advise, you might be a pansexual alcoholic sadist like the rest of us (or is that just me)
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District XIV
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Postby District XIV » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:11 pm

Defwa wrote:It will take some time for you to learn what is expected of proposals but if you follow my advise, you might be a pansexual alcoholic sadist like the rest of us (or is that just me)

“I'm gay, actually,” exclaims Vilay. “Not an alcoholic quite yet.”

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Cool Spring
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Postby Cool Spring » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:13 pm

Do you want some wacko to get a gun?
Normlpeople wrote:Clover chuckled at the latest piece of laughable gun control legislation crossing her desk. "Please tell me more about how criminals and psychopaths follow laws. My stance is the same as always. There will be no testing nor mandatory psychiatric evaluations. Opposed."

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Cool Spring
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Postby Cool Spring » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:15 pm

was it that bad?
Defwa wrote:Well this has been an utter disaster. Cool spring, please read the rules in their entirety, skim passed resolutions, and participate in other debates before authoring your own proposal.

It will take some time for you to learn what is expected of proposals but if you follow my advise, you might be a pansexual alcoholic sadist like the rest of us (or is that just me)

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District XIV
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Postby District XIV » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:15 pm

Cool Spring wrote:was it that bad?
Defwa wrote:Well this has been an utter disaster. Cool spring, please read the rules in their entirety, skim passed resolutions, and participate in other debates before authoring your own proposal.

It will take some time for you to learn what is expected of proposals but if you follow my advise, you might be a pansexual alcoholic sadist like the rest of us (or is that just me)

Bad enough that you had to break at least two General Assembly rules from what I can see.
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Chester Pearson
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Postby Chester Pearson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:16 pm

Cool Spring wrote:Do you want some wacko to get a gun?
Normlpeople wrote:Clover chuckled at the latest piece of laughable gun control legislation crossing her desk. "Please tell me more about how criminals and psychopaths follow laws. My stance is the same as always. There will be no testing nor mandatory psychiatric evaluations. Opposed."


No what we would like is an actual legal proposal to debate....
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Cool Spring
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Postby Cool Spring » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:16 pm

what 2 rules had I broken?
District XIV wrote:
Cool Spring wrote:was it that bad?

Bad enough that you had to break at least two General Assembly rules from what I can see.

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Cool Spring
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Postby Cool Spring » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:17 pm

hows it not legal
Chester Pearson wrote:
Cool Spring wrote:Do you want some wacko to get a gun?


No what we would like is an actual legal proposal to debate....

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Chester Pearson
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Postby Chester Pearson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:17 pm

Cool Spring wrote:what 2 rules had I broken?
District XIV wrote:Bad enough that you had to break at least two General Assembly rules from what I can see.


Branding, and trying to repeal within new legislation.
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.90
-17.5 / -6
Chester B. Pearson,
Ambassador, Imperial Minster of Foreign Affairs United Federation of Canada
Premier The North American Union
Secretary-General United Regions Alliance
World Assembly Resolution Author
Recognized as one of the most famous NS's ever

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District XIV
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Postby District XIV » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:18 pm

Cool Spring wrote:what 2 rules had I broken?
District XIV wrote:Bad enough that you had to break at least two General Assembly rules from what I can see.

Branding (“I”, “you”) and repealing without using the repeal function while legislating.

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Cool Spring
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Postby Cool Spring » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:21 pm

oh sorry. as ya can tell im new. I guess I should learn more before I start my own legislation? (disappears into the shadows)
District XIV wrote:
Cool Spring wrote:what 2 rules had I broken?

Branding (“I”, “you”) and repealing without using the repeal function while legislating.

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Cool Spring
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Postby Cool Spring » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:21 pm

oh sorry. as ya can tell im new. I guess I should learn more before I start my own legislation? (disappears into the shadows)
Chester Pearson wrote:
Cool Spring wrote:what 2 rules had I broken?


Branding, and trying to repeal within new legislation.

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District XIV
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Postby District XIV » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:22 pm

Cool Spring wrote:oh sorry. as ya can tell im new. I guess I should learn more before I start my own legislation? (disappears into the shadows)
District XIV wrote:Branding (“I”, “you”) and repealing without using the repeal function while legislating.

I suggest you partake in debates within the GA's sphere to ‘learn more’, and once you get the ropes, have read the rules, and understand how a resolution is supposed to be formatted then you should attempt to create new legislation.

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