[DRAFT] International Counterfeit Law

[Wrapper]

Not to mention the odd nation that uses chewing gum as a currency, with flavors taking the place of denominations. Here-- (Ari snaps his fingers and holds out his hand, and Ahume hands him two silvery-foiled oblong sticks) --this one's spearmint. Kind of bland and boring. It's like your... what's it called? Pence? Penny?

[Honor and Glory]

Not to mention the odd nation that uses chewing gum as a currency, with flavors taking the place of denominations. Here-- (Ari snaps his fingers and holds out his hand, and Ahume hands him two silvery-foiled oblong sticks) --this one's spearmint. Kind of bland and boring. It's like your... what's it called? Pence? Penny?

oos- your a space faring nation that spans galaxies ( If i remeber one of your posts that said as much ) and you use bubble gum as currancy? Have I told you your my hero, cause you are

[Wrapper]

Not to mention the odd nation that uses chewing gum as a currency, with flavors taking the place of denominations. Here-- (Ari snaps his fingers and holds out his hand, and Ahume hands him two silvery-foiled oblong sticks) --this one's spearmint. Kind of bland and boring. It's like your... what's it called? Pence? Penny?

oos- your a space faring nation that spans galaxies ( If i remeber one of your posts that said as much ) and you use bubble gum as currancy? Have I told you your my hero, cause you are

OOC: In many sci fi stories, "first contact" is commonly done by sharing a food or drink with another being. It's not so big a step from there to chewing gum as intergalactic currency. Makes sense, yes?

[Parliamentary Republic 4077]

If this goes through every country in this organisation will loose its sovereignty. The control of your own money is vital to the state's economy. You don't expect each state to accept at equal value the currency of another? My country backs it's money in metal. PR4077 as the Bristol Pound Sterling. We cannot afford to let the WA set our exchange value. Each state must be able to design it's own physical currency. This is federalism by the back door!

[Defwa]

If this goes through every country in this organisation will loose its sovereignty. The control of your own money is vital to the state's economy. You don't expect each state to accept at equal value the currency of another? My country backs it's money in metal. PR4077 as the Bristol Pound Sterling. We cannot afford to let the WA set our exchange value

I don't support this resolution but I do support actually reading things before complaining about them.

[Parliamentary Republic 4077]

If this goes through every country in this organisation will loose its sovereignty. The control of your own money is vital to the state's economy. You don't expect each state to accept at equal value the currency of another? My country backs it's money in metal. PR4077 as the Bristol Pound Sterling. We cannot afford to let the WA set our exchange value

I don't support this resolution but I do support actually reading things before complaining about them.

I was confused as to how the exchange rate was to be set.

[Flamels Stone]

Coins having indentations doesn't change anything.If someone is going to try to counterfeit coins* they can easily make a mold/template of the coins by using pocket money and start mass producing (being very likely caught a short time after).

*something with very small profit in MOST cases,and relatively easy to get caught doing (I mean: who orders metals that are used in the coins and in the rough proportions these are used in those said coins?) If someone started ordering a whole bunch of copper and then small amounts of aluminium zin and tin i would be extremely suspicios (my currency is made of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_gold).The only way to hide this is a metalurgic company which orders all these metals in high proportions and use them for conterfeit and for its actual function.

[Potted Plants United]

*something with very small profit in MOST cases,and relatively easy to get caught doing (I mean: who orders metals that are used in the coins and in the rough proportions these are used in those said coins?) If someone started ordering a whole bunch of copper and then small amounts of aluminium zin and tin i would be extremely suspicios

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"The point of counterfeiting coins often is using less expensive material to make the coins from, though. [OOC: In RL copper is a fairly expensive metal, due to its many uses, so someone might want to make the "body" of the coin from something cheaper and just give it a coating of the authentic-looking stuff.] In our particular case this would not be an issue, as our "currency" is the fractal leaf, all of which are created by our more artistic selves, each of them uniquely patterned by the plant while the leaf is still growing, by depositing pigment onto the inner surface. We can see no way how these could be counterfeited, nor could be submit a pattern to any database, since each fractal leaf is different from the next. They are more pieces of art than simple currency, but as we trade them for some services or resources, they count as money."

[Grays Harbor]

*something with very small profit in MOST cases,and relatively easy to get caught doing (I mean: who orders metals that are used in the coins and in the rough proportions these are used in those said coins?) If someone started ordering a whole bunch of copper and then small amounts of aluminium zin and tin i would be extremely suspicios

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"The point of counterfeiting coins often is using less expensive material to make the coins from, though. [OOC: In RL copper is a fairly expensive metal, due to its many uses, so someone might want to make the "body" of the coin from something cheaper and just give it a coating of the authentic-looking stuff.] In our particular case this would not be an issue, as our "currency" is the fractal leaf, all of which are created by our more artistic selves, each of them uniquely patterned by the plant while the leaf is still growing, by depositing pigment onto the inner surface. We can see no way how these could be counterfeited, nor could be submit a pattern to any database, since each fractal leaf is different from the next. They are more pieces of art than simple currency, but as we trade them for some services or resources, they count as money."

OOC: That's actually what the US Mint has been doing since 1983. Pennies are made of 97.5% zinc, with a thin coating of 2.5% copper on them.

[Flamels Stone]

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"The point of counterfeiting coins often is using less expensive material to make the coins from, though. [OOC: In RL copper is a fairly expensive metal, due to its many uses, so someone might want to make the "body" of the coin from something cheaper and just give it a coating of the authentic-looking stuff.] In our particular case this would not be an issue, as our "currency" is the fractal leaf, all of which are created by our more artistic selves, each of them uniquely patterned by the plant while the leaf is still growing, by depositing pigment onto the inner surface. We can see no way how these could be counterfeited, nor could be submit a pattern to any database, since each fractal leaf is different from the next. They are more pieces of art than simple currency, but as we trade them for some services or resources, they count as money."

Thank you for the information.I should think like criminal before talking about what one would do.Anyway that just supports my first point(while nullifying my second) that with a cheap metal that looks like the ''real deal'' and template of coins(even if they have indentations) they can start mass producing any way
As for your currency,i find your currency incredible.But i must say if someone wanted to ,they could get ''realy close'' to the fractal leaves turning the counterfeit the same as the real ones to the naked eye but it would be extremely expensive and not profitable.
On a side note I wonder how you economic situation is doing, seeing that the most artistic of you can produce all the money they want(i believe and hope you have laws on that).
[note:i'm not speaking with any bad intentions.I'm honestly asking, no cynism]

[Parliamentary Republic 4077]

This resolution is much to powerful in general. Now it's a common economic policy on minting. Next it's a single currency.

[Potted Plants United]

On a side note I wonder how you economic situation is doing, seeing that the most artistic of you can produce all the money they want(i believe and hope you have laws on that).
[note:i'm not speaking with any bad intentions.I'm honestly asking, no cynism]

"We are one mind with many bodies [OOC: my forum siggy explains it to an extent.], those selves who are more artistic, are merely better at it than the others - like someone such as yourself might favour one of their hands when writing - every one of us knows how to control the manufacturing and depositing of dye in our leaves. There is a slight randomizing factor to the process, so it does not need to be actively controlled by the collective consciousness.

We have but two "laws" of our own; 1) that one must not harm sapient creatures 2) unless the survival of a self is threatened. And even in the latter case self defence may be deemed unnecessary, if the death of that self is not important to the whole. For example, we do not disapprove of the partial or fatal pruning of those of our selves that the various people in the WAHQ use to spice their food or drinks. These selves grow knowing that is their meaning in life, and will cease to exist peacefully. The essence of their self - their experiences and memories - will remain with the whole even after they have ceased to be.

Sometimes our selves may disagree or dislike an action they must or mustn't do, but they cannot disobey any more than your hand could disobey your central nervous system. But to reassure your concerns, we do not produce more fractal leaves than are necessary. We do, however, sometimes gift them without expecting anything in return. If you would like one, we can send it to your office. Do you have any colour preferences?"

OOC: I keep saying that one of these days I'm going to write up the whole RP stuff up in a factbook, but most likely it'll just be a ton of links to the relevant posts around here.

This resolution is much to powerful in general. Now it's a common economic policy on minting. Next it's a single currency.

OOC: Except it's against the WA proposal rules to try and force a single currency on every WA nation.

EDIT: Code is not agreeing with me.

[Parliamentary Republic 4077]

On a side note I wonder how you economic situation is doing, seeing that the most artistic of you can produce all the money they want(i believe and hope you have laws on that).
[note:i'm not speaking with any bad intentions.I'm honestly asking, no cynism]

"We are one mind with many bodies [OOC: my forum siggy explains it to an extent.], those selves who are more artistic, are merely better at it than the others - like someone such as yourself might favour one of their hands when writing - every one of us knows how to control the manufacturing and depositing of dye in our leaves. There is a slight randomizing factor to the process, so it does not need to be actively controlled by the collective consciousness.

We have but two "laws" of our own; 1) that one must not harm sapient creatures 2) unless the survival of a self is threatened. And even in the latter case self defence may be deemed unnecessary, if the death of that self is not important to the whole. For example, we do not disapprove of the partial or fatal pruning of those of our selves that the various people in the WAHQ use to spice their food or drinks. These selves grow knowing that is their meaning in life, and will cease to exist peacefully. The essence of their self - their experiences and memories - will remain with the whole even after they have ceased to be.

Sometimes our selves may disagree or dislike an action they must or mustn't do, but they cannot disobey any more than your hand could disobey your central nervous system. But to reassure your concerns, we do not produce more fractal leaves than are necessary. We do, however, sometimes gift them without expecting anything in return. If you would like one, we can send it to your office. Do you have any colour preferences?"

OOC: I keep saying that one of these days I'm going to write up the whole RP stuff up in a factbook, but most likely it'll just be a ton of links to the relevant posts around here.

This resolution is much to powerful in general. Now it's a common economic policy on minting. Next it's a single currency.

OOC: Except it's against the WA proposal rules to try and force a single currency on every WA nation.

Thank God.
But I don't want this to become the united states of the World assembly

[Araraukar]

But I don't want this to become the united states of the World assembly

OOC: *snerk* No fear of that - enough NatSovers around to prevent that. And the proposal rules would also get in the way - like ideology ban; you can't force everyone to be a democracy.

[Bears Armed]

"This raises an excellent point to those nations which utilize a barter system. How does one counterfeit-proof a bartered service? Should nations be required to accept raw resources at retail outlets, since they qualify as currency in the nation of origin?"

"Indeed; and should the nations hwhose people are quite happy relying on barter rrather than on a coinage of any kind hrreally be rrequired to accept coins just because other nations use those"?

OOC: That's actually what the US Mint has been doing since 1983. Pennies are made of 97.5% zinc, with a thin coating of 2.5% copper on them.

OOC: The UK started using steel discs as cores for its 'copper' coins in the same general period.

Also OOC; The current title is too long, because there's a limit of 30 characters including spaces... and I'm not sure whetherr you can use the ampersand, rather than wriitng "and", neither.

[Balenderg]

Not to mention the odd nation that uses chewing gum as a currency, with flavors taking the place of denominations. Here-- (Ari snaps his fingers and holds out his hand, and Ahume hands him two silvery-foiled oblong sticks) --this one's spearmint. Kind of bland and boring. It's like your... what's it called? Pence? Penny?

So, what should we add to the suggestion that covers Chewing Gum as currency, as anti-counterfeit measure? OOC: I did not expect this game to have such a wide variety of people who used miscellaneous items as currency.

[Balenderg]

This resolution is much to powerful in general. Now it's a common economic policy on minting. Next it's a single currency.

That's against the rules. Actually, it's only against the rules to make a central currency be every member states primary currency the new said currency.

[Wrapper]

Not to mention the odd nation that uses chewing gum as a currency, with flavors taking the place of denominations. Here-- (Ari snaps his fingers and holds out his hand, and Ahume hands him two silvery-foiled oblong sticks) --this one's spearmint. Kind of bland and boring. It's like your... what's it called? Pence? Penny?

So, what should we add to the suggestion that covers Chewing Gum as currency, as anti-counterfeit measure? OOC: I did not expect this game to have such a wide variety of people who used miscellaneous items as currency.

Hmmm... well, anything you propose that would cover a barter system (including an exception for a barter system), we feel it would cover us using chewing gum as currency, as chewing gum is not only exchanged but can also be consumed by the seller.

[Balenderg]

So, what should we add to the suggestion that covers Chewing Gum as currency, as anti-counterfeit measure? OOC: I did not expect this game to have such a wide variety of people who used miscellaneous items as currency.

Hmmm... well, anything you propose that would cover a barter system (including an exception for a barter system), we feel it would cover us using chewing gum as currency, as chewing gum is not only exchanged but can also be consumed by the seller.

One Question, do you use chewed gum or unchewed gum as your currency?

[Wrapper]

One Question, do you use chewed gum or unchewed gum as your currency?

We... do hope that is a joke, ambassador. You don't use shredded bills as curr...

Ahume whispers into Ari's ear.

Hmmm, good point. The assistant ambassador has reminded me that, what may seem to be a strange custom to some, would be perfectly normal in other cultures, and vice versa. So, very well, a fair question. Unchewed, of course.

[Flamels Stone]

[Fixed Grammar]2-All nations must release which currencies are and which (currencies-not needed) are not accepted in their countries(nations-so you keep using the same word).
As for the currency acceptance.I would suggest imigrants converting their currency into the nations currency (at for example a bank) and that way only the nation's currency is used within it's border.

About non-regular currency(no bills or coins).How about:
#- Any countries with any other currencies are required to discuss Anti-counterfeit measures with the Bureau of Currency Minting & Inflation.

As for countries using barter or an item/resource as a currency:
Isntead of exchanging a currency for another at the border.They can sell resources for the currency of that countrie.
As for the oposite (a currency user going to a barter nation) i have no ideas as of now.

8- Coins should use some kind of Indentation system to make them harder to counterfeit. As i said, i believe it doesnt stop counterfeiters ,so it's obsolete.

Also more grammar(correct me if i'm wrong):
7- Digital Currency shall be easier to exchange to local physical currency. (took the ''it'' away)

Side Note:

We do, however, sometimes gift them without expecting anything in return. If you would like one, we can send it to your office. Do you have any colour preferences?"

Thanks for the offer ambassador,a purple leaf would be wonderful!I shall display it on my office.

[Balenderg]

[Fixed Grammar]2-All nations must release which currencies are and which (currencies-not needed) are not accepted in their countries(nations-so you keep using the same word).
As for the currency acceptance.I would suggest imigrants converting their currency into the nations currency (at for example a bank) and that way only the nation's currency is used within it's border.

About non-regular currency(no bills or coins).How about:
#- Any countries with any other currencies are required to discuss Anti-counterfeit measures with the Bureau of Currency Minting & Inflation.

As for countries using barter or an item/resource as a currency:
Isntead of exchanging a currency for another at the border.They can sell resources for the currency of that countrie.
As for the oposite (a currency user going to a barter nation) i have no ideas as of now.

8- Coins should use some kind of Indentation system to make them harder to counterfeit. As i said, i believe it doesnt stop counterfeiters ,so it's obsolete.

Also more grammar(correct me if i'm wrong):
7- Digital Currency shall be easier to exchange to local physical currency. (took the ''it'' away)

Side Note:

We do, however, sometimes gift them without expecting anything in return. If you would like one, we can send it to your office. Do you have any colour preferences?"

Thanks for the offer ambassador,a purple leaf would be wonderful!I shall display it on my office.

I typed it in a hurry, ok?

[Flamels Stone]

Nononono!I do that too!I didn't mean it as grammar nazis mean it.Just wanted to help

''Sir we are mining too many useless ores''
*Hitler rubs his chin* ''So mine less''
*Grammar nazi appears* ''Mine fewer!''
*Hitler looks at him* ''Yes?''

[Separatist Peoples]

I typed it in a hurry, ok?

"Haste is not a excuse for poor quality, ambassador. This is international law, after all."

[Balenderg]

I typed it in a hurry, ok?

"Haste is not a excuse for poor quality, ambassador. This is international law, after all."

it is, plus it was night time and I could barely see anything because my brightness was really low. Also, 100th comment.