[DRAFT] International Counterfeit Law

[Balenderg]

Right, they will, but not exchanging it and just having them accept it is a lot less of a hassle.

No its not. It will take time for the merchant to figure out how much to charge someone using a different currency. Where going to an exchange or bank takes little time and makes thing easier for everyone.

Like I said, exchange rates will be made public.

[Jarish Inyo]

It will take time for the cashier to look up the exchange rate of every nation then calculate the difference to find out what is owed. Not to mention calculate any change. It will take more time and be more of a hassle then someone going to an exchange or bank to get the national currency. What part of that is so difficult for you to understand?

Also, merchants may refuse service to tourist not using their nations currency.

[Balenderg]

It will take time for the cashier to look up the exchange rate of every nation then calculate the difference to find out what is owed. Not to mention calculate any change. It will take more time and be more of a hassle then someone going to an exchange or bank to get the national currency. What part of that is so difficult for you to understand?

Also, merchants may refuse service to tourist not using their nations currency.

Like I already said, merchants have the choice to reject foreign currency. And, merchants are smart enough to look up the daily exchange rate when they open up there store for the day. If they don't that's their problem.

[Jarish Inyo]

Ok, it is clear that you don't care about any view but your own.

This doesn't open trade and only causes issues. A merchant isn't going to have the time to check the exchange rate for every WA member nation every morning and run their business. Cashiers are not going to be able to help people in a timely matter if they have to look up every nation and calculate the difference between the two currencies. It will take longer for people to make purchases then it would be to go to an exchange to get the national currency.

Now, what arguments can you make to disturbed my statements above. Try to actually make an argument on why your proposal is a good in anyway.

[Balenderg]

Ok, it is clear that you don't care about any view but your own.

This doesn't open trade and only causes issues. A merchant isn't going to have the time to check the exchange rate for every WA member nation every morning and run their business. Cashiers are not going to be able to help people in a timely matter if they have to look up every nation and calculate the difference between the two currencies. It will take longer for people to make purchases then it would be to go to an exchange to get the national currency.

Now, what arguments can you make to disturbed my statements above. Try to actually make an argument on why your proposal is a good in anyway.

How could it not open trade? The merchant would simply say, go to the website, and when a guy comes up with another nation's currency the merchant goes to that nation's to their nation's currency exchange rate. Does that account for me "Not caring about any view but my own"? It's not that hard to look stuff up, or even write it on a piece of paper. And I never said people couldn't exchange money for the local currency, I just made a way for them to not have to. I still have not thought of a way for a merchant without a computer or phone of any sort to check the exchange rate.

[Defwa]

For the tourist maybe. But not businesses

I thought Defwa was a pro-people nation. And, not maybe for the tourist, definetely for the tourist. And the Buisness can just exchange it after they get it, or use it to expand there company into foreign nations.

As noted, this will cause delays for tourists and businesses who have to conduct a currency exchange every time they make a transaction.
Why would companies need of want foreign currency to expand into foreign territory when their home currency will apparently work just fine according to you.

What is with these upstart nations that assume that a similar ideology means agreement should happen in all topics?

[Balenderg]

I thought Defwa was a pro-people nation. And, not maybe for the tourist, definetely for the tourist. And the Buisness can just exchange it after they get it, or use it to expand there company into foreign nations.

As noted, this will cause delays for tourists and businesses who have to conduct a currency exchange every time they make a transaction.
Why would companies need of want foreign currency to expand into foreign territory when their home currency will apparently work just fine according to you.

What is with these upstart nations that assume that a similar ideology means agreement should happen in all topics?

I didn't expect to find everybody to support this. I did assume to find a similar ideology nation though, at I never assumed that it would agree in all topics. I read the description for Defwa on your account. It sounds pretty Pro-People to me.

[Jarish Inyo]

You are also not taking into account that there is thousands of WA member nations. It will still take time to search for a nation in a database and calculate the difference. Also, you are not taking into account that not all business have access to the net. So writing down the exchange rate and looking it up is not a possibility. The impracticability of this proposal does not help free trade, it hinders it.

You are not taking others vies into account. All you see is tourist not being unconvinced for 5 minutes to exchange their money. You are completely ignoring the unconvinced of businesses. Not to mention other people that have to wait for services as this proposal adds unnecessary steps for people to make purchases.

[Separatist Peoples]

"We will refuse whatever currency we please. We have no intention of accepting the credit or tender of those nations which refuse to back up their currency with an item of recognizable value. YOU HEAR THAT, STEVE?" Bell turns to shout at an aide from another delegation. "YOU CANT GIVE ME STICKY NOTES WITH NUMBERS TO PAY OFF YOUR POKER DEBT AND CALL IT LEGAL TENDER!"

Settling back into his seat and visibly calmer, "Where was I? Ah, yes. Accepting legal tender is a national decision. If we choose to limit our economy thusly, that is a national choice. Whether this hurts other economies or not is entirely irrelevant to this delegation. Opposed."

[Balenderg]

You are also not taking into account that there is thousands of WA member nations. It will still take time to search for a nation in a database and calculate the difference. Also, you are not taking into account that not all business have access to the net. So writing down the exchange rate and looking it up is not a possibility. The impracticability of this proposal does not help free trade, it hinders it.

You are not taking others vies into account. All you see is tourist not being unconvinced for 5 minutes to exchange their money. You are completely ignoring the unconvinced of businesses. Not to mention other people that have to wait for services as this proposal adds unnecessary steps for people to make purchases.

Right, but ever heard of a search bar? And people would pre-calculate it. That's what the Bureau Of Exchange is for. And that's a good thing about this proposal, you don't have to use all of it.The Tourist does not have to not exchange the money. I've said this many times, and the people was going to be an issue to be discussed later. I was going to thing of international trade first.

[Defwa]

You are also not taking into account that there is thousands of WA member nations. It will still take time to search for a nation in a database and calculate the difference. Also, you are not taking into account that not all business have access to the net. So writing down the exchange rate and looking it up is not a possibility. The impracticability of this proposal does not help free trade, it hinders it.

You are not taking others vies into account. All you see is tourist not being unconvinced for 5 minutes to exchange their money. You are completely ignoring the unconvinced of businesses. Not to mention other people that have to wait for services as this proposal adds unnecessary steps for people to make purchases.

And even if you kept an indexed list, do you know now many canadas there are!

Focus on counterfeiting if you must continue this. Come up with other options and account for wider varieties of currency. At the moment you're overextended and cant properly legislate in any of these topics you're trying to.

Also keep in mind nations like old Defwa, because our past monetary situation hasnt been mentioned yet. We did not care if you made your own Nuts as long as they were the right materials and the proper weight.

[Chester Pearson]

And that's a good thing about this proposal,

There is a proposal here? All I see is a blog written from a first person point of view. Post an actual LEGAL proposal and this debate might go somewhere. Otherwise label this as a discussion.

And even if you kept an indexed list, do you know now many canadas there are!

ONE! All the others are frauds....

[Grays Harbor]

All member nations must accept all other memberstate's currencies as legal tender within their nation. They must take into account that country's inflation level, currency value, and currency laws to create valid trades. This shall increase international trade, tourism, and make it more possible for people to travel through or to other countries.

This is a preposterous idea. You expect every clerk in every store to be current in the exchange rate for thousands of currencies from thousands of nations. No. That is why there are currency exchanges at ports of entry. Exchanging currency is in no way an impediment to international tourism. Trade is conducted on an international level through banks. Payments are made through banks. The currency exchange is done there. This is a bad idea. This is an unworkable idea.

[Balenderg]

All member nations must accept all other memberstate's currencies as legal tender within their nation. They must take into account that country's inflation level, currency value, and currency laws to create valid trades. This shall increase international trade, tourism, and make it more possible for people to travel through or to other countries.

This is a preposterous idea. You expect every clerk in every store to be current in the exchange rate for thousands of currencies from thousands of nations. No. That is why there are currency exchanges at ports of entry. Exchanging currency is in no way an impediment to international tourism. Trade is conducted on an international level through banks. Payments are made through banks. The currency exchange is done there. This is a bad idea. This is an unworkable idea.

I updated it to be more compatible with this. I never said exchaniging currency was an impediment to international tourism. And if it's so terrible, why not tell me how to improve it and make it good.

[Separatist Peoples]

All member nations must accept all other memberstate's currencies as legal tender within their nation. They must take into account that country's inflation level, currency value, and currency laws to create valid trades. This shall increase international trade, tourism, and make it more possible for people to travel through or to other countries.

This is a preposterous idea. You expect every clerk in every store to be current in the exchange rate for thousands of currencies from thousands of nations. No. That is why there are currency exchanges at ports of entry. Exchanging currency is in no way an impediment to international tourism. Trade is conducted on an international level through banks. Payments are made through banks. The currency exchange is done there. This is a bad idea. This is an unworkable idea.

I updated it to be more compatible with this. I never said exchaniging currency was an impediment to international tourism. And if it's so terrible, why not tell me how to improve it and make it good.

"The addition of lighter fluid and open flame is all that can be done."

[Jarish Inyo]

People have told you how to make it better. I'd start with getting rid of the idea of having every nation accept other nations currency. It is not practicable. It really does not farther free trade.

Focus on counterfeiting.

[Balenderg]

People have told you how to make it better. I'd start with getting rid of the idea of having every nation accept other nations currency. It is not practicable. It really does not farther free trade.

Focus on counterfeiting.

Got it. Thanks for the input.

[Grays Harbor]

All member nations must accept all other memberstate's currencies as legal tender within their nation. They must take into account that country's inflation level, currency value, and currency laws to create valid trades. This shall increase international trade, tourism, and make it more possible for people to travel through or to other countries.

This is a preposterous idea. You expect every clerk in every store to be current in the exchange rate for thousands of currencies from thousands of nations. No. That is why there are currency exchanges at ports of entry. Exchanging currency is in no way an impediment to international tourism. Trade is conducted on an international level through banks. Payments are made through banks. The currency exchange is done there. This is a bad idea. This is an unworkable idea.

I updated it to be more compatible with this. I never said exchanging currency was an impediment to international tourism. And if it's so terrible, why not tell me how to improve it and make it good.

I would have thought the word "unworkable" might be a clue that this is a bad idea and should be dropped from what you are doing. Mandating every nation accept the currency of every other nation in every day commerce is a Bad and Unworkable idea. There can be no improving something which is fundamentally flawed beyond repair.

[Balenderg]

I updated it to be more compatible with this. I never said exchanging currency was an impediment to international tourism. And if it's so terrible, why not tell me how to improve it and make it good.

I would have thought the word "unworkable" might be a clue that this is a bad idea and should be dropped from what you are doing. Mandating every nation accept the currency of every other nation in every day commerce is a Bad and Unworkable idea. There can be no improving something which is fundamentally flawed beyond repair.

Oh, so removing the part where one has to accept all other nations currencies still makes it unworkable?

[Balenderg]

And that's a good thing about this proposal,

There is a proposal here? All I see is a blog written from a first person point of view. Post an actual LEGAL proposal and this debate might go somewhere. Otherwise label this as a discussion.

And even if you kept an indexed list, do you know now many canadas there are!

ONE! All the others are frauds....

Reworded it. Are you happy now?

[Grays Harbor]

Is there going to be a category and strength at some point?

[Balenderg]

Is there going to be a category and strength at some point?

If by "At some point" you mean right now, then yes.

[District XIV]

Category - International Security

How does this resolution "increase police and military budgets"?

[Balenderg]

And that's a good thing about this proposal,

There is a proposal here? All I see is a blog written from a first person point of view. Post an actual LEGAL proposal and this debate might go somewhere. Otherwise label this as a discussion.

And even if you kept an indexed list, do you know now many canadas there are!

ONE! All the others are frauds....

How is it in first person? I didn't notice any instances "I" "we" or "Me" in the proposal

[Balenderg]

Category - International Security

How does this resolution "increase police and military budgets"?

Okay, what do you say it should be in? Part 6 is why I put it in International Security.