(DRAFT) Corporations Restrictions Act

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

Catagory: Moral decency,Mild

The World Assembly

RECOGNIZING: A corporation does not fit the criteria of being a person


REALIZING: That certain restrictions should be in effect for corporations to benefit working class people.

Therefore the World Assembly declares

1. A corporation or business or private business shall not be recognized as a person in any court of law.

2. A corporation shall have no say in how any law is passed and a corporation shall not compensate government members to vote for a law or influence government members.

3. A corporation shall not recieve any money from the government

4. A corporation will not turn away someone who is starving and unable to afford food and will provide them with food as long as they provide documents to prove their income.

[Separatist Peoples]

"You're kidding, right? Not only does this ban corporate governments, which is illegal, it tries to span Social Justice and Furtherment of Democracy while being labeled as Moral Decency. I'll leave the rest of the illegalities to others, since I lack the patience to do a detailed breakdown of this dreck...Opposed."

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

Separatist I understand you are for corporate welfare and all but my proposal is not meant to make corporate government illegal but to limit the power of corporations and to put the power into the hands of the workers and just wondering what laws am i violating please let me know so that I can make the neccessary revisions

[Defwa]

Separatist I understand you are for corporate welfare and all but my proposal is not meant to make corporate government illegal but to limit the power of corporations and to put the power into the hands of the workers and just wondering what laws am i violating please let me know so that I can make the neccessary revisions

He's right, though.

This resolution is a category violation because it covers multiple categories.
It is a strength violation because of its wide ranging impacts.
It is illegal for banning corporate governments which is considered an ideological ban.
And even I, representative of Defwa which possesses a strong welfare state, am confused by your mandating private companies provide welfare.

Why not focus on the corporate personhood issue and do the other things later.
Better yet, why not participate in debates for other proposals after reading the rules and reviewing some passed legislation so you have an idea of what is expected from a proposal.

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

Separatist I understand you are for corporate welfare and all but my proposal is not meant to make corporate government illegal but to limit the power of corporations and to put the power into the hands of the workers and just wondering what laws am i violating please let me know so that I can make the neccessary revisions

He's right, though.

This resolution is a category violation because it covers multiple categories.
It is a strength violation because of its wide ranging impacts.
It is illegal for banning corporate governments which is considered an ideological ban.
And even I, representative of Defwa which possesses a strong welfare state, am confused by your mandating private companies provide welfare.

Why not focus on the corporate personhood issue and do the other things later.
Better yet, why not participate in debates for other proposals after reading the rules and reviewing some passed legislation so you have an idea of what is expected from a proposal.

How is it banning corporate government? I am not banning anything, I am trying to place restrictions in place so we don't have a free for all so I don't really see how it's a ideological ban. As far as private companies providing welfare, I agree I think I should keep that in the public sector. It is obvious that It is difficult to get any type of socialistic law passed

[Separatist Peoples]

2. A corporation shall have no say in how any law is passed and a corporation shall not compensate government members to vote for a law or influence government members.

"Looks like you prevent corporations from being governments. So, you ban corporate governments. Try again.

"Clause one is also utterly ridiculous. Corporate personhood makes legal procedure involving litigation and liability infinitely easier. Try actually learning a thing or two about business law? It's not a private company's job to provide welfare, even in the form of food and water."

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

All of this coming from a right wing hack?? lolol Alright first of all corporations cant be governments nor are they an ideology also a corporation cannot be a person because they don't meet the criteria to be a person. As far as the private company welfare part I agree it is not their job to provide welfare however If i had it my way I would just ban all private enterprise altogether but that's against the rules just like you making the WA 100% private oh and btw a corporation is no more a person than a turtle is

[Separatist Peoples]

"And, interestingly, this bans governments from funding, in part or whole, private research, contracting with private entities, issuing subsidies, paying or accidental damages to private entities...generally, this is just poorly considered. Do yourself a favor and read through the Rules, then participate in the debates here to get some experience. Then, try again with a new idea."

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

I'm saying a corporation cant influence the government because it isnt their place but that is not an ideology but i am quite familiar with the rules but I just wanted to make sure so I posted my draft

[Separatist Peoples]

I'm saying a corporation cant influence the government because it isnt their place but that is not an ideology but i am quite familiar with the rules but I just wanted to make sure so I posted my draft

All of this coming from a right wing hack?? lolol Alright first of all corporations cant be governments nor are they an ideology also a corporation cannot be a person because they don't meet the criteria to be a person. As far as the private company welfare part I agree it is not their job to provide welfare however If i had it my way I would just ban all private enterprise altogether but that's against the rules just like you making the WA 100% private oh and btw a corporation is no more a person than a turtle is

"Clearly, ambassador, you haven't bothered to look at the world census, nor do a simple search. They exist, it is an ideology. Corporate personhood is a legal idea designed to streamline court cases involving businesses, instead of individually trying every single member of the business. It does as much good as harm to business. If you really believe they have no rights, then you don't believe businesses have the right to form contracts, as the right to contract is one such right of personhood often afforded to corporations. And the C.D.S.P. is as "right" as you are fascist. Though capitalist, the C.D.S.P. is particularly progressive-centrist.

"Care to try again, or are you even interested in learning to draft legal legislation?"

OOC: The Real World is NOT Nationstates. We have corporate, communist, fascist, and pure anarchist nations of elves, ponies, dragons, plants, beings of energy, and humans. I suggest you take a deep breath, spend some time lurking in the forum and participating in debates, and then try again with a workable idea.

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

so your trying to use the excuse that I cant impose any restrictions on corporations because im banning an ideology? That's ridiculous

[Separatist Peoples]

so your trying to use the excuse that I cant impose any restrictions on corporations because im banning an ideology? That's ridiculous

"No. I'm saying you can't declare that corporations cannot affect the government, as they may be the government. You can restrict them in other ways."

[Cecil turtle]

btw a corporation is no more a person than a turtle is

Hey, ummmmm, Speedy, careful what you say about turtles.

Also, ummmm, since when do corporations benefit the working class? They, ummm, benefit their shareholders, not the workers.

Got it, Speedy?

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

I'm saying a corporation cant influence the government because it isnt their place but that is not an ideology but i am quite familiar with the rules but I just wanted to make sure so I posted my draft

All of this coming from a right wing hack?? lolol Alright first of all corporations cant be governments nor are they an ideology also a corporation cannot be a person because they don't meet the criteria to be a person. As far as the private company welfare part I agree it is not their job to provide welfare however If i had it my way I would just ban all private enterprise altogether but that's against the rules just like you making the WA 100% private oh and btw a corporation is no more a person than a turtle is

"Clearly, ambassador, you haven't bothered to look at the world census, nor do a simple search. They exist, it is an ideology. Corporate personhood is a legal idea designed to streamline court cases involving businesses, instead of individually trying every single member of the business. It does as much good as harm to business. If you really believe they have no rights, then you don't believe businesses have the right to form contracts, as the right to contract is one such right of personhood often afforded to corporations. And the C.D.S.P. is as "right" as you are fascist. Though capitalist, the C.D.S.P. is particularly progressive-centrist.

"Care to try again, or are you even interested in learning to draft legal legislation?"

OOC: The Real World is NOT Nationstates. We have corporate, communist, fascist, and pure anarchist nations of elves, ponies, dragons, plants, beings of energy, and humans. I suggest you take a deep breath, spend some time lurking in the forum and participating in debates, and then try again with a workable idea.

It makes sense that you are pretty to the right since you are mostly private and your citizens probably work and make barely any money to serve their elite masters and while they are making billions your lower class are sleeping on the pavement and that is exactly what im trying to prevent from happening. You shouldnt work so hard for so little money and barely have enough money to eat or you get evicted from your house. That my friend is a gross violation of human rights

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

Sorry Cecil lol Turtles are cool

[Separatist Peoples]

It makes sense that you are pretty to the right since you are mostly private and your citizens probably work and make barely any money to serve their elite masters and while they are making billions your lower class are sleeping on the pavement and that is exactly what im trying to prevent from happening. You shouldnt work so hard for so little money and barely have enough money to eat or you get evicted from your house. That my friend is a gross violation of human rights

"Ambassador, are you even going to try to address my concerns, or attack my nations, or my personal, position on economic ideology? I honestly can't tell who you are referring to."

[District XIV]

1. This ain't Moral Decency, nor is it Mild strength

2. Violates the 'Ideological Ban' rule

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

It makes sense that you are pretty to the right since you are mostly private and your citizens probably work and make barely any money to serve their elite masters and while they are making billions your lower class are sleeping on the pavement and that is exactly what im trying to prevent from happening. You shouldnt work so hard for so little money and barely have enough money to eat or you get evicted from your house. That my friend is a gross violation of human rights

"Ambassador, are you even going to try to address my concerns, or attack my nations, or my personal, position on economic ideology? I honestly can't tell who you are referring to."

Take your own advice....all you've done is attack my proposal and call me inexperienced and tried to use one of the rules to shoot down my proposal and the only thing we have common ground on is that private companies dont provide welfare and the reason for that is that they are for profit. I actually made a proposal called the declaration of human rights which says that food, water, health care and housing are rights and all should be provided for free in the WA

[District XIV]

I actually made a proposal called the declaration of human rights which says that food, water, health care and housing are rights and all should be provided for free in the WA

You should go read the 'Passed Resolutions' sticky, considering all of those things are provided by existing GA resolutions...

[Christian Democrats]

Corporate personhood makes perfect sense.

Why should associations of individuals not have the same legal rights and duties as individuals by themselves?

[The Dark Star Republic]

I actually made a proposal called the declaration of human rights which says that food, water, health care and housing are rights and all should be provided for free in the WA

:eyebrow: You should go read the 'Passed Resolutions' sticky, considering all of those things are provided by existing GA resolutions...

So should you, given they're not.

[Separatist Peoples]

Take your own advice....all you've done is attack my proposal and call me inexperienced and tried to use one of the rules to shoot down my proposal and the only thing we have common ground on is that private companies dont provide welfare and the reason for that is that they are for profit. I actually made a proposal called the declaration of human rights which says that food, water, health care and housing are rights and all should be provided for free in the WA

OOC: I've offered you alternatives to drafting when you clearly aren't familiar with the system. I do this for everybody who comes to the WA and demonstrates a lack of understanding of the drafting process. I "attacked" your proposal because it was a bad proposal. I've not attacked your ideology, just criticized your draft. You've not responded to the flaws with anything more then what I'm politely interpreting as In-Character attacks at my ambassador's beliefs. If you want to debate, try answering my points directly and clearly, one at a time.

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

I read through all of the passed resolutions 8 times and not all of those things exist for free

[Soviet republicss (Ancient)]

Question for the hosue now. What do you define as a "person" legally

[District XIV]

You should go read the 'Passed Resolutions' sticky, considering all of those things are provided by existing GA resolutions...

So should you, given they're not.

Food (sort of), water, and health care.

Not housing, though.