[PASSED] Child Pornography Ban

[The Dark Star Republic]

I'm interpreting that definition slightly differently.

realistic depiction, such as computer-generated animation, that is difficult to distinguish from the recording of a real person.

The interpretation being used here seems to be that any hyperrealistic CGI animation is illegal. But that's taking a broad interpretation of "a real person". In The Dark Star Republic, we interpret that part more literally: it really has to be indistinguishable from a specific real person who exists to be considered illegal. Merely being very humanlike, but not actually resembling any specific real individual, isn't something we consider illegal.

Thus, creating a CGI animation of your 15 year old neighbour, would be illegal; creating a realistic CGI of a generic 15 year old, not using any recognisable character features from an actual person, would not be.

This is the interpretation we think makes most sense given the proposal is concerned with child welfare, not pixel welfare.

[Slovenya]

why stop there?? why not ban all pornography?

[The North Pacific League]

I'm interpreting that definition slightly differently.

realistic depiction, such as computer-generated animation, that is difficult to distinguish from the recording of a real person.

The interpretation being used here seems to be that any hyperrealistic CGI animation is illegal. But that's taking a broad interpretation of "a real person". In The Dark Star Republic, we interpret that part more literally: it really has to be indistinguishable from a specific real person who exists to be considered illegal. Merely being very humanlike, but not actually resembling any specific real individual, isn't something we consider illegal.

Thus, creating a CGI animation of your 15 year old neighbour, would be illegal; creating a realistic CGI of a generic 15 year old, not using any recognisable character features from an actual person, would not be.

This is the interpretation we think makes most sense given the proposal is concerned with child welfare, not pixel welfare.

But "realistic" (and again that term is highly subjective) CGI animation isn't even used as a definition in the law; only as an example. Therefore it leaves the door open to extending the ban to prohibit anything that a judge might decide is realistic on his or her own whim under the sanction a WA resolution. In turn this provides an opportunity for moralistic legislation to restrict freedom of expression with regards to material that, in plain fact, may harm no one in any way.

Your interpretation is something that would be acceptable, but the problem is that it is one of a nearly endless possible set of interpretations.

[The North Pacific League]

why stop there?? why not ban all pornography?

Because freedom of expression is a natural right (though I realize not all nations regard it as such), even when that expression happens to squick out the majority of the population. Only when it involves causing someone harm or infringing upon the rights of others ought it to be restricted. Actual child porn certainly qualifies; animated porn of any form certainly does not, unless, as in the cases Dark Star imagines, it amounts to libel/slander (depending on how those are defined vis-a-vis video or images), defamation, explicit threat, coercion, or harassment.

[Mundiferrum]

I'm interpreting that definition slightly differently.

The interpretation being used here seems to be that any hyperrealistic CGI animation is illegal. But that's taking a broad interpretation of "a real person". In The Dark Star Republic, we interpret that part more literally: it really has to be indistinguishable from a specific real person who exists to be considered illegal. Merely being very humanlike, but not actually resembling any specific real individual, isn't something we consider illegal.

Thus, creating a CGI animation of your 15 year old neighbour, would be illegal; creating a realistic CGI of a generic 15 year old, not using any recognisable character features from an actual person, would not be.

This is the interpretation we think makes most sense given the proposal is concerned with child welfare, not pixel welfare.

But "realistic" (and again that term is highly subjective) CGI animation isn't even used as a definition in the law; only as an example. Therefore it leaves the door open to extending the ban to prohibit anything that a judge might decide is realistic on his or her own whim under the sanction a WA resolution. In turn this provides an opportunity for moralistic legislation to restrict freedom of expression with regards to material that, in plain fact, may harm no one in any way.

Your interpretation is something that would be acceptable, but the problem is that it is one of a nearly endless possible set of interpretations.

Which is a good thing. You might be somewhat liberal about your treatment of pedophiles, but many WA nations are quite moralistic in this regard. And so, both nations are accommodated by the resolution; if you want to be kinder with regards to the virtual thing, you could legislate a more concrete definition of the restrictions on the animated thing. A member of the Secretariat once said a quote relating to this, though honestly I don't recall who that ambassador is, nor what the exact quote is.
And generally speaking, yeah I agree with the interpretation of the Dark Star Republic's ambassador, although I bet the King would rather just put the whole issue of what the exact definition of "realistic depiction" is to referendum....amongst his bros at tonight's poker game.

[The Dark Star Republic]

Yes, I'm arguing it is reasonable to argue both ways, and thus the interpretation will devolve to each nation. If you actively want to enforce only one interpretation on all nations, then that would indeed be more problematic, but the extent of disagreement on this relatively minor issue suggests it may well be best left as a national prerogative anyway.

[The Flood]

why stop there?? why not ban all pornography?

"An amazing idea sir. Such a resolution would have the Flood's fall support!"

[Mundiferrum]

why stop there?? why not ban all pornography?

Sir, if we do that, I and the wife would probably have to get a divorce.

Just kidding. TEAMOMELLAMEI

[Defwa]

why stop there?? why not ban all pornography?

"An amazing idea sir. Such a resolution would have the Flood's fall support!"

You two should work on a proposal to that effect together.

[Louisistan]

why stop there?? why not ban all pornography?

Special Ambassador Max Schneider has stumbled into the GA chamber by Accident and answers on behalf of Louisistan: "Because F*ck You!" He then pulls a very graphic porn magazine out of his suitcase and stares into it quite interested.

[Wrapper]

why stop there?? why not ban all pornography?

"An amazing idea sir. Such a resolution would have the Flood's fall support!"

What? And give up our prized collection of zero-gravity eja...

Ari notes the Secretariat's raised eyebrow and decides not to push it.

...ummm... never mind, and no, thank you.

[Louisistan]

Max walks over to Ari and points at something in the magazine and talks to him loud enough for the delegations from Slovenya and The Flood to hear him: "There, do you see that? I didn't even know, women could do that! That's incredible!"

[Mundiferrum]

Max walks over to Ari and points at something in the magazine and talks to him loud enough for the delegations from Slovenya and The Flood to hear him: "There, do you see that? I didn't even know, women could do that! That's incredible!"

Ooh, do me next! And here, I'll hook up my honey to this. I'm so glad she's coming over to visit tomorrow....

[The Flood]

Max walks over to Ari and points at something in the magazine and talks to him loud enough for the delegations from Slovenya and The Flood to hear him: "There, do you see that? I didn't even know, women could do that! That's incredible!"

*The Ambassador of the Flood takes the magazine, douses it in kerosene, and burns it. He then puts out the ashes with holy water and makes the Sign of the Cross.*

[Wrapper]

*The uninvited visitor of the Flood takes the magazine, douses it in kerosene, and burns it. He then puts out the ashes with holy water and makes the Sign of the Cross.*

Fixed. Kindly remember your status, sir, while you visit this festering sna-- er, these hallowed halls.

[The Flood]

*The uninvited visitor of the Flood takes the magazine, douses it in kerosene, and burns it. He then puts out the ashes with holy water and makes the Sign of the Cross.*

Fixed. Kindly remember your status, sir, while you visit this festering sna-- er, these hallowed halls.

"I am the ambassador of Bourbonia, a citizenless courtesy nation of the Flood, and the Flood's voice in the World Assembly. For all intents and purposes, I am the Floodian ambassador."

[Louisistan]

Max watches the spectacle put forth by the Ambassador from The Flood calmly. An aide enters the chambers and hands a glas of Whisky to Max. "Thank you, Gerald." Max pulls out his Tablet and walks over to the Ambassador from Mundiferrum. "Now have a look at that. I mean, how on earth does she get the leg... I mean... I always thought that was anatomically impossible. Cheers!" He takes a sip of Whisky, then turns to the Ambassador from the Flood. "Oh, I assume the Delegation from The Flood will compensate me for the willful destruction of a vintage 1985 'Marboer Badønkadønks in Actiøn'? It's a rather rare and valuable collectable you see. The market value should be about 250 000 Louisistanian Grand Quarter Pounds, I think. Yes? Good. You can wire it to the Louisistanian Treasury, I bought on my expense account."

[The Flood]

Max watches the spectacle put forth by the Ambassador from The Flood calmly. An aide enters the chambers and hands a glas of Whisky to Max. "Thank you, Gerald." Max pulls out his Tablet and walks over to the Ambassador from Mundiferrum. "Now have a look at that. I mean, how on earth does she get the leg... I mean... I always thought that was anatomically impossible. Cheers!" He takes a sip of Whisky, then turns to the Ambassador from the Flood. "Oh, I assume the Delegation from The Flood will compensate me for the willful destruction of a vintage 1985 'Marboer Badønkadønks in Actiøn'? It's a rather rare and valuable collectable you see. The market value should be about 250 000 Louisistanian Grand Quarter Pounds, I think. Yes? Good. You can wire it to the Louisistanian Treasury, I bought on my expense account."

*The Ambassador of the Flood takes out and writes a check for the requested amount of money, spits on it, and burns it just as the magazine was burned, along with the second magazine*

"You'll have not a cent, in fact you should be paying us for the favour we have done you in burning your hellspawn magazines."

[Mundiferrum]

Gravey is more shocked than titillated by the visual spectacle. His wife, however, seems to be experiencing, well, ecstasy, and this is with her not even touching herself. Now, now, MELLAMEI, it's a bit too early for that. Mrs. Gravellius disconnects.
I guess I should thank you, ambassador, though you seem to have pleasured more my wife than myself. That was....quite disturbing.
Anyway, we are glad to note that in six hours' time, this resolution will have been made official. And what a margin of success too! A ratio of 1:17!

And sir Ambassador-of-the-Flood, please stop with all the burning. The smoke's really starting to bother my lungs, and-*cough*cough*-well, it's really starting to bother my lungs! If you feel so ill about pornography, why not act upon it more constructively, like debating its merits (reasonably, that is) here, rather than just senselessl-*cough*cough*-ly attacking another person's property? Mr. Keller, if the Flutian sir here were to remain unwilling to compensate you for the trouble, I'll gladly pay you in his stead. I'm sure the exchange rate between Ferromarks and Louisistanian Pounds is good this year, yes?

[Louisistan]

OOC: There is no second magazine it's a tablet PC

"You'll have not a cent, in fact you should be paying us for the favour we have done you in burning your hellspawn magazines."

"Well that puts us in quite a difficult position then, doesn't it? Well. I shall write a rather strong protest note to your government then. Or I'll have Mrs. Finch write it. One way or the other, our Minister of Finance will certainly not be amused about your willful destruction of government property. And in this neutral and hallowed venue of all places! I am appaled by your lack of respect for the property of other governments." An Aide provides Max with yet another porn magazine and a second drink which Max promptly hurls in the Floodian Ambassadors Face.

"Ambassador Gravellius, thank you for your kind offer, but as you are not the destructor of the property in question I cannot take your money. I would of course have challenged the Floodian perpetrator to a duel if I thought he had the necessary honor in him. But alas, I think that ship sailed a long time ago."

[Sween]

Kim Eun Mi walks back in.

"I forgot my glasses."

She takes her spectacles off of her desk and walks out again.

[Separatist Peoples]

Observing the debacle, Bell opens his laptop quietly, tapping in the address to a site he had overheard Sen. Sulla mention in passing some weeks before. Copying the link to an email (the link itself is so obscene and gratuitously sexual, the Weapon Nullifiers censor any narration containing it), Bell made a point to add every single email address from the GA Ambassadors and Guest Directory, before sanctimoniously pressing send. For good measure, he flicked the speakers to MAX on his own laptop and selected the link...

[Wrapper]

Well. This has gotten far off track, hasn't it? Ahume! Let's not take any chances, get in touch with those 555 pedoph-- er, those 555 assho-- umm, those 555, uh, voters, who voted against, see if we can bribe them.

Ahume tilts his head questioningly.

You know, chewing gum! The good stuff. Let me see what you have.

Ahume nods and removes a few sticks from his pocket and spreads them out.

Okay... yes... yes... no, not that, save that one for later... oh yes, Cherry Cordial, definitely more of those... oh come on, "Anthrax Ripple"? This isn't a comedy sketch, you stupid Wad, go get more of the good stuff!

[Sween]

Observing the debacle, Bell opens his laptop quietly, tapping in the address to a site he had overheard Sen. Sulla mention in passing some weeks before. Copying the link to an email (the link itself is so obscene and gratuitously sexual, the Weapon Nullifiers censor any narration containing it), Bell made a point to add every single email address from the GA Ambassadors and Guest Directory, before sanctimoniously pressing send. For good measure, he flicked the speakers to MAX on his own laptop and selected the link...

Just before Kim Eun Mi Closes the door she hears bell's laptop.

"Oh, I know that video! It's pretty well-made."

She then proceeds to close the door and leave.

[Louisistan]

Observing the debacle, Bell opens his laptop quietly, tapping in the address to a site he had overheard Sen. Sulla mention in passing some weeks before. Copying the link to an email (the link itself is so obscene and gratuitously sexual, the Weapon Nullifiers censor any narration containing it), Bell made a point to add every single email address from the GA Ambassadors and Guest Directory, before sanctimoniously pressing send. For good measure, he flicked the speakers to MAX on his own laptop and selected the link...

"Quick! Put the video on the 800 inch flatscreen there! Sounds interesting!"