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The North Pacific League
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Postby The North Pacific League » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:05 pm

Mundiferrum wrote:
The North Pacific League wrote:
But "realistic" (and again that term is highly subjective) CGI animation isn't even used as a definition in the law; only as an example. Therefore it leaves the door open to extending the ban to prohibit anything that a judge might decide is realistic on his or her own whim under the sanction a WA resolution. In turn this provides an opportunity for moralistic legislation to restrict freedom of expression with regards to material that, in plain fact, may harm no one in any way.

Your interpretation is something that would be acceptable, but the problem is that it is one of a nearly endless possible set of interpretations.

Which is a good thing. You might be somewhat liberal about your treatment of pedophiles, but many WA nations are quite moralistic in this regard. And so, both nations are accommodated by the resolution; if you want to be kinder with regards to the virtual thing, you could legislate a more concrete definition of the restrictions on the animated thing. A member of the Secretariat once said a quote relating to this, though honestly I don't recall who that ambassador is, nor what the exact quote is.
And generally speaking, yeah I agree with the interpretation of the Dark Star Republic's ambassador, although I bet the King would rather just put the whole issue of what the exact definition of "realistic depiction" is to referendum....amongst his bros at tonight's poker game.


Liberal in our treatment of pedophiles only because pedophilia is not a crime, unless one embraces the notion of "thought crime". Child abuse is a crime (in the NPL and by WA resolutions), but it doesn't stand to reason that every pedophile is a child abuser. Some seek help and refrain from ever committing any such crime (or refrain on their own, by their own will and convictions), without doubt.

Collecting statistics is nigh impossible of course, because almost no one would openly admit to being a pedophile, and would likely be hesitant to do so even on a survey that assured their privacy would be protected, and because of doctor-patient confidentiality laws.

But I fear there is a dangerous conflation of the terms "pedophile" and "child molester"; they do not mean the same thing. I sincerely doubt that most pedophiles desire to be pedophiles--surely being attracted to adults would make their lives vastly easier, happier and more satisfying. Until they do commit a crime, they deserve help, not loathing--in fact loathing can only serve to drive them away from seeking help, for fear of the extreme social stigma they might incur. And, thus, paradoxically, stigmatization of non-criminal pedophiles (i.e. people attracted to children, but who never act on that) likely increases rates of child abuse.

As to the law, and the point that its openness to interpretation is a benefit in that it allows both interpretations such as the North Pacific League's, and moralistic legislation or judicial rulings that may unjustly restrict natural rights, I can only rejoin that each nation should vote its own interests and upon its own principles. No one can expect us to support moralistic, oppressive policy when it is anathema to everything we stand for.

And allow me to be clear: Our stance on child pornography is not liberal in any way. It is outlawed and the penalties for producing or distributing it are severe. We simply do not believe that cartoons can possibly be child pornography, because cartoon characters cannot be children, nor are they in need of legal protections.

The NPL ambassador bows and cedes the floor, choosing to ignore the spectacle unfolding.
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Postby Sauvage » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:25 pm

Slovenya wrote:why stop there?? why not ban all pornography?


The ambassador proceeds to take a tablet disguised as a tooth. Foaming from the mouth and falling on his desk unmoving.
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Postby Texan Hotrodders » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:35 pm

Fellow nations of the world, resplendent demagogues, and travelers on the road to a world of peace...

I am profoundly saddened that this resolution has come to vote. While it has the laudable intent to protect those who are vulnerable from those who would exploit them, it is unlikely that it will actually accomplish any such thing given that the resolution has a loophole large enough to shove a small planet through it.

The likely outcome here is that nations which would prefer to allow child pornography will use the discretion afforded them by this resolution to continue allowing it, and nations which do not wish to allow child pornography (thankfully it seems to be the overwhelming majority based on the votes cast for the resolution) will continue to treat it as illegal.

As an assembly, what we accomplish with the passage of this resolution is merely an official recognition that we are generally opposed to grotesque child exploitation. Our time and efforts could have been better served by actually doing something to help children, but instead we have frittered away that opportunity so that many of us could feel better about ourselves after doing something that did not advance that goal in the slightest. I sincerely hope that we are all aware that this is so much symbolic nonsense, the emotional equivalent of putting a pro-environment bumper sticker on our petrol-fueled cars.

That said, my duty is to represent the will of the people of the Federation in the World Assembly and I have cast our nation's vote FOR the resolution in accord with the opinions of the slightly less tiny portion of our population which actually cares about the World Assembly currently.

We held a nationwide referendum as we always do for major policy decisions which affect the entire nation. We invited every resident of voting age to attend, set up polling stations all over the place, set up polling websites for those who cannot physically attend, and provided free cookies and ice cream to those who chose to exercise their voting rights (by way of a generous donation from a group of child protection advocates).

After tallying the votes, we found that the 1.8% of our population which bothered to vote has chosen by a landslide (99.9%) to vote FOR the proposed resolution. Many who voted in favor expressed that, "We should think of the children!" Others simply asked, "Are they just now figuring out that child pornography is bad? I guess we might as well vote for it."

Best of luck to the author in their future legislative endeavors.

Thank you for your time and consideration,

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Postby The Flood » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:49 pm

*The Floodian Ambassador reaches for a bowl of decorative polished rocks, and begins chucking the rocks at all the electronic devices in the room, trying his very best to destroy all of the pornography that has now been sent around to the other ambassadors*

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Postby Sween » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:21 pm

The Flood wrote:*The Floodian Ambassador reaches for a bowl of decorative polished rocks, and begins chucking the rocks at all the electronic devices in the room, trying his very best to destroy all of the pornography that has now been sent around to the other ambassadors*

"Heathens! Every one of you!"


Kim Eun Mi Bursts back into the room, shielding the computers with her body and blocking the ambassador's shots.

"You will not destroy the glorious pornography! You shall cease insulting those who chose to ACTUALLY LIVE their lives! Fear of an imaginary sky-god makes us sick"

She proceeds to take his rocks away.
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Postby Sauvage » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:33 pm

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Postby Mundiferrum » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:29 pm

The Flood wrote:*The Floodian Ambassador reaches for a bowl of decorative polished rocks, and begins chucking the rocks at all the electronic devices in the room, trying his very best to destroy all of the pornography that has now been sent around to the other ambassadors*

"Heathens! Every one of you!"

Gravey gets hit on the head by one of those rocks. He is seriously injured (but not to the point of unconsciousness). Dammit! I'm gonna sue f(Now it's to the point of unconsciousness)
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Postby Red Blackiland » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:03 pm

Red Blackilans is against the Child Pornography and for the Child Pornography Ban whereas the guilty will 'well-judged'.
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Postby Louisistan » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:49 pm

Watching the rocks fly by, Max announces: "Since the atmosphere is a little tense and I assume the Secretariat is going to close this glorious debate soon, I invite the Ambassadors from Wrapper and Mundiferrum to take a drink in the Stranger's Bar, celebrating the wonderful pornography.... Oh, it seems, the Ambassador from Mundiferrum is indisposed. Maybe a Medic should look at that? Yes? Good."

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Postby Sween » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:19 am

Kim Eun Mi looks at her holophone and menacingly grins.

"Sween produces EVERY kind of pornographic material. If anyone is interested meet me outside, I have many free samples. Anything from a simple hentai, a children's media here, to weird scatology,"

She walks toward the exit of the building, suddenly stopping.

"I'm guessing mos of you have realized how sexuality is not a taboo subject in my motherland."

She proceeds to exit and take a break on a nearby bench, outside.
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Postby Wrapper » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:10 am

Child Pornography Ban was passed 8,486 votes to 649.


That's... 93%? Hmph. We were hoping for 98% but that will have to do. Ahume, send a note to the President, tell her we-- WAD AHUME! Stop playing with those butterflies and get the President on the phone, now!

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Re: [AT VOTE] Child Pornography Ban

Postby Coroscent » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:27 am

Sween wrote:
Coroscent wrote:There is a lot more to this debate than meets the eye. This isn't just about banning child pornography, but it should include in the definition an age that is to be used to distinguish who is child and who is adult. In most jurisdictions, including Yakus, the age of majority is 18. But of course this will vary under the laws of different nationstates, WA member or not. I propose that this resolution SHOULD include a defined age that all member states will adhere to on an international scale.

I also want to stress the evil behind child pornography; if you as a member state of this assembly vote against this resolution, agree or disagree, you are supporting the evil of child pornography.


Ambassador Kim Eun Mi replies to Coroscent.

"Evil? Evil? I just realized now you called this Evil! There is no such thing as Good or Evil! Well i guess we support evil then! Some would call atheism evil, some would call communism evil, we support those. i guess we "support" child pornography and pedophilia, too. Just because we don't denounce it. We don't denounce BDSM. We don't even denounce scatology! Just because we do not denounce something doesn't mean we support it. In your eyes, it's 'you're with us or you're against us.' We don't support scatology, but we will not denounce or ban it. we don't support pedophilia, but we won't denounce or ban it either. the same goes for scatological or child pornography.

International age requirements? All the WA does is micromanage other people's nations! We almost never have resolutions that matter internationally! All these resolutions do is force nations to pass domestic laws! A nation can pass and veto whatever law they please, and it's non of the business of the WA!"


Then WHY are you in the WA? What do you honestly expect? If you don't want to be "micromanaged" then there is a simple solution: leave the WA. And return to your pedophilloic ways.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:41 am

Sween wrote:
Kim Eun Mi Bursts back into the room, shielding the computers with her body and blocking the ambassador's shots.

"You will not destroy the glorious pornography! You shall cease insulting those who chose to ACTUALLY LIVE their lives! Fear of an imaginary sky-god makes us sick"

She proceeds to take his rocks away.

"Much appreciated, ambassador. This..." Bell copies another filthy link and sends it to the Sween ambassador's email via his ruggedized laptop. "is for your troubles. I, personally, would rather be judged by my own actions, for better or worse, independent of outside influence than adhere to a set of beliefs I disagree with just to save my own skin. I don't require any other representative making that decision for me," he adds, pointedly.

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Postby Mundiferrum » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:45 am

Coroscent wrote:
Sween wrote:
Ambassador Kim Eun Mi replies to Coroscent.

"Evil? Evil? I just realized now you called this Evil! There is no such thing as Good or Evil! Well i guess we support evil then! Some would call atheism evil, some would call communism evil, we support those. i guess we "support" child pornography and pedophilia, too. Just because we don't denounce it. We don't denounce BDSM. We don't even denounce scatology! Just because we do not denounce something doesn't mean we support it. In your eyes, it's 'you're with us or you're against us.' We don't support scatology, but we will not denounce or ban it. we don't support pedophilia, but we won't denounce or ban it either. the same goes for scatological or child pornography.

International age requirements? All the WA does is micromanage other people's nations! We almost never have resolutions that matter internationally! All these resolutions do is force nations to pass domestic laws! A nation can pass and veto whatever law they please, and it's non of the business of the WA!"


Then WHY are you in the WA? What do you honestly expect? If you don't want to be "micromanaged" then there is a simple solution: leave the WA. And return to your pedophilloic ways.


Mr. Ambassador from Sween, sir, (Gravey says, having by the skilled hands of the medical gnomes recovered from his head wound)if you have such an opinion of the WA, I suggest you, well, get your butt out of here. That's pretty much the point of the WA there, and if you choose to veto all, or hell even just some of its resolutions, well then you're not really complying with it, which is a big no-no in these walls. And Mr. Ambassador from Coroscent, sir, just because someone does not denounce something, does not mean he or she is for it. Sween here is not necessarily being a pedophiliac. If you are to be so black-and-white in your treatment of such things, I suggest you get out of politics in general, since a huge chunk of politics is all about finding grey areas.

Now please, both of you, do stop all this shoutey nonsense - my head still hurts. Och! Damn Flutians (He mutters to himself as he exits and heads for the bar)
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Postby Sciongrad » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:59 am

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Postby Wrapper » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:14 pm

Sciongrad wrote:"Sciongrad offers its sincerest congratulations to the Wrapperian delegation for passing this solid addition to the annals of General Assembly legislation and wishes them similar success in the future!"

And a big THANK YOU, Scion, for your excellent critique and comments, and to everyone else who took part in this debate, turning what could have been a very uncomfortable topic into an excellent discussion!

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Postby Sauvage » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:22 pm

Mundiferrum wrote:
Coroscent wrote:
Then WHY are you in the WA? What do you honestly expect? If you don't want to be "micromanaged" then there is a simple solution: leave the WA. And return to your pedophilloic ways.


Mr. Ambassador from Sween, sir, (Gravey says, having by the skilled hands of the medical gnomes recovered from his head wound)if you have such an opinion of the WA, I suggest you, well, get your butt out of here. That's pretty much the point of the WA there, and if you choose to veto all, or hell even just some of its resolutions, well then you're not really complying with it, which is a big no-no in these walls. And Mr. Ambassador from Coroscent, sir, just because someone does not denounce something, does not mean he or she is for it. Sween here is not necessarily being a pedophiliac. If you are to be so black-and-white in your treatment of such things, I suggest you get out of politics in general, since a huge chunk of politics is all about finding grey areas.

Now please, both of you, do stop all this shoutey nonsense - my head still hurts. Och! Damn Flutians (He mutters to himself as he exits and heads for the bar)


The replacement ambassador gives a toothy grin. He shifts into his chair while straightening out his red uniform, soeaking in a smug tone:

"And just what is the assembly prepared to do about it if certain regulations are ignored? Nobody protects NatSov anymore I suppose. But then again, this assembly has been abused in the past and present. Law making has become competitive between more popular delegates, they make unnecessary regulations for the purpose of personal agenda and popularity. Laws are shitted out, did we actually need a child pronography resolution? I would gander nearly 90% of the countries located in this universe had laws to protect minors from this. The last 10% not even being in the WA, so what was the point?

Why not pass regulations that are macro management instead of micro. Airplane regulations for example, they move over countries all the time and some are considered rust buckets by one nation or advanced tech by another. Make resolutions to keep passangers safe. What about warefare regulations to stop warcrimes? Espionage limiting? Banning the harboring of terrorists? But no, we are concerned by things that came easily be handled by individual states. Silly if you ask me."
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Postby Mundiferrum » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:12 pm

Sauvage wrote:
Mundiferrum wrote:Mr. Ambassador from Sween, sir, (Gravey says, having by the skilled hands of the medical gnomes recovered from his head wound)if you have such an opinion of the WA, I suggest you, well, get your butt out of here. That's pretty much the point of the WA there, and if you choose to veto all, or hell even just some of its resolutions, well then you're not really complying with it, which is a big no-no in these walls. And Mr. Ambassador from Coroscent, sir, just because someone does not denounce something, does not mean he or she is for it. Sween here is not necessarily being a pedophiliac. If you are to be so black-and-white in your treatment of such things, I suggest you get out of politics in general, since a huge chunk of politics is all about finding grey areas.

Now please, both of you, do stop all this shoutey nonsense - my head still hurts. Och! Damn Flutians (He mutters to himself as he exits and heads for the bar)


The replacement ambassador gives a toothy grin. He shifts into his chair while straightening out his red uniform, soeaking in a smug tone:

"And just what is the assembly prepared to do about it if certain regulations are ignored? Nobody protects NatSov anymore I suppose. But then again, this assembly has been abused in the past and present. Law making has become competitive between more popular delegates, they make unnecessary regulations for the purpose of personal agenda and popularity. Laws are shitted out, did we actually need a child pronography resolution? I would gander nearly 90% of the countries located in this universe had laws to protect minors from this. The last 10% not even being in the WA, so what was the point?

Why not pass regulations that are macro management instead of micro. Airplane regulations for example, they move over countries all the time and some are considered rust buckets by one nation or advanced tech by another. Make resolutions to keep passangers safe. What about warefare regulations to stop warcrimes? Espionage limiting? Banning the harboring of terrorists? But no, we are concerned by things that came easily be handled by individual states. Silly if you ask me."


Banning the harboring of terrorists: viewtopic.php?p=387#p387
Stopping warcrimes: Do you mean rules on perfidy and surrender? Coz' proposals on those have been soundly defeated, or are still being worked on (see "Ban of Perfidy" and "Rules of Surrender"). Other rules on war crimes, such as, say, conventions against genocide ( viewtopic.php?p=419#p419 ) have been created.
Airplane regulations: So protecting the welfare of all nations' children is less important and more "micro-managey" than airplanes? Also, viewtopic.php?p=408#p408
Espionage limiting: What the heck do you mean by espionage? But yes, there are a number of resolutions already tackling that, including viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30#p330

The WA's motto is "improving the world, one resolution at a time". We've done a lot of macro-resolutions now; now we're focusing on smaller, but still essential, problems. Sure, they may be handled effectively by local governments, but who's to assure that they really will be handled in such a way? With this codification, a clearer assurance of protections on child pornography throughout all nations of the WA, plus a more solid justification for embargoes and such (the primary methods of prosecution employed by the WA against noncompliant nations) shall be created.
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Postby Sauvage » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:39 pm

"This has sufficiently dragged, I however will close with a Rebuttle.

Though it is apparent the assembly works for an improved world and has already addressed a small number of macro based matters, it still concerns Sauvage that the assembly would pass resolutions that are bad in practice. For example, most of the micro based resolutions tend to also hold smaller lines of text inappropriate to laws that will be employed worldwide, bias and the desecrating of cultural or religious rules HAVE happened and WILL happen again. The nation of Sauvage and it's benefactors are concerned this is to run rampand in the future.

Though short, I hope any who hear me will understand. Religion is already being destroyed, let us not assimilate all other cultures to conform to a leftwing as the Roman Empire conformed all other conquered cultures to their own. We may never again see the diversity of today's nations in the future if we continue."
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Postby South Pacific Republic » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:18 pm

Why did people vote against this?

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Postby Sween » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:29 pm

South Pacific Republic wrote:Why did people vote against this?


because some nation thought it was:

A. NOT FAR enough
B. A matter for the state, not international law
C.Don't see anything particularly wrong with paedophilia as long as it's consensual.
D.meant well but went TOO FAR
E. Culturally biased
F. They possibly might be paedophiliacs

probably there's more reasons

I voted against. for B C and E.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:35 pm

Sween wrote:
South Pacific Republic wrote:Why did people vote against this?


because some nation thought it was:

A. NOT FAR enough
B. A matter for the state, not international law
C.Don't see anything particularly wrong with paedophilia as long as it's consensual.
D.meant well but went TOO FAR
E. Culturally biased
F. They possibly might be paedophiliacs

probably there's more reasons

I voted against. for B C and E.


Yes.... Because as we all know, a five year old can consent to intercourse right?
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:37 pm

South Pacific Republic wrote:Why did people vote against this?

Well, there were issues with the definition of pornography, using the age of consent, and other technical issues that were raised. There were some disagreements about the exceptions clauses as well -- some said they're too restrictive, some said not restrictive enough. Oh, and, there was an odd perception by some that we were pushing a religious agenda. Still can't understand that one. Oh, and, one ambassador who says that pedophilia is fine if it's consensual. We wonder how he sleeps soundly at night, but, whatever.

We feel that we addressed this in the best way possible, by making a resolution that set a fair minimum standard while allowing for further restrictions on the issue, either via domestic or international laws.

It's true you can't please everyone... but to get 93% agreement here, well, that's unprecedented, so we must have done something right. :)

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Postby Sween » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:38 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
Sween wrote:
because some nation thought it was:

A. NOT FAR enough
B. A matter for the state, not international law
C.Don't see anything particularly wrong with paedophilia as long as it's consensual.
D.meant well but went TOO FAR
E. Culturally biased
F. They possibly might be paedophiliacs

probably there's more reasons

I voted against. for B C and E.


Yes.... Because as we all know, a five year old can consent to intercourse right?


Kim Eun Mi slowly raises a lead pipe from her purse, scowling menacingly.

She proceeds to place it back into her purse and point two fingers to her eyes, then to Pearson.
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