[REDRAFT] On Planetary Annihilation (6)

[Chester Pearson]

Note however, this only impacts warfare between WA nations. You can completely atomize the planets of non WA enemies.

No you can't.... WA nations are compelled to comply with all resolutions. A non-member nation could atomize one of your planets, but you cannot....

As the author, you do not get to make up rules as you go.

[Defwa]

Note however, this only impacts warfare between WA nations. You can completely atomize the planets of non WA enemies.

No you can't.... WA nations are compelled to comply with all resolutions. A non-member nation could atomize one of your planets, but you cannot....

As the author, you do not get to make up rules as you go.

Please draw your attention to PROHIBITS, clause I and PERMITS, clause III.

[Chester Pearson]

No you can't.... WA nations are compelled to comply with all resolutions. A non-member nation could atomize one of your planets, but you cannot....

As the author, you do not get to make up rules as you go.

Please draw your attention to PROHIBITS, clause I and PERMITS, clause III.

Then we may have an illegality, if not a loophole big enough to fit a star through....

[Defwa]

Please draw your attention to PROHIBITS, clause I and PERMITS, clause III.

Then we may have an illegality, if not a loophole big enough to fit a star through....

There's no optionality about it. It states simply that we treat WA nations differently from nonWA nations as many resolutions do.
I am aware of no illegality or loop hole.

[The Flood]

As if the Dark Side of the Force would even care

[Markhan]

It is the Markhadist Ministry of War's policy to colonise any hostile planets that are successfully conquered or occupied.
However, as regards the annihilation of planets, it is not Markhadist policy to commit such an act unless the Magistrach and/or Markhan's safety is at risk. Due to the rarity of said situation, only the Imperial flagship, GMS Apocalypse, is equipped with a planetary core meltdown cannon, which takes several hours to charge after being fired.

-Lord Dramun, Minister of War.

[Separatist Peoples]

As if the Dark Side of the Force would even care

"I have a feeling the Dark Side of the Force wouldn't join an international organization determined to make sweeping decisions for members based on a simple major-oh wait..."

[Scorpions Army]

I bet the Non-WA nations are loving this proposal LOL

They will think "Oh those WA nations cant use weapons to destroy my world.. time to destroy theirs!!"

The use of planet destroying weapons are, or at least, should be used as a deterrent against said Non-WA nations. Allowing this resolution to pass makes us WA nations vulnerable to attack from the enemy.

Opposed

[Alotopia]

I bet the Non-WA nations are loving this proposal LOL

They will think "Oh those WA nations cant use weapons to destroy my world.. time to destroy theirs!!"

The use of planet destroying weapons are, or at least, should be used as a deterrent against said Non-WA nations. Allowing this resolution to pass makes us WA nations vulnerable to attack from the enemy.

Opposed

The android Zach Smith stands to talk into his microphone.

"Honorable delegate, as a non-WA member, we are most certainly not "the enemy". Not once has the Empire 'slagged' a WA member planet, and we don't plan to. The audacity to call all of the non-WA members "the enemy" is rude and crazy.

Emperor Malgus has personally visited many WA world's who were hurt by natural disasters. Most recently, He traveled to a WA MEMBER planet by way of the Dreadnought class warship 'The Solace', a ship which could destroy the planet with a few hours of bombardment, but instead delivered aid and peace keeping soldiers. (They were removed at the request of the government after peace was restored).

But the idea that 'Hide yo kids, hide yo wives and hide yo husband's cuz the Non-WA nations are blowing up everybody out there...' is simply untrue..."

[Scorpions Army]

I bet the Non-WA nations are loving this proposal LOL

They will think "Oh those WA nations cant use weapons to destroy my world.. time to destroy theirs!!"

The use of planet destroying weapons are, or at least, should be used as a deterrent against said Non-WA nations. Allowing this resolution to pass makes us WA nations vulnerable to attack from the enemy.

Opposed

The android Zach Smith stands to talk into his microphone.

"Honorable delegate, as a non-WA member, we are most certainly not "the enemy". Not once has the Empire 'slagged' a WA member planet, and we don't plan to. The audacity to call all of the non-WA members "the enemy" is rude and crazy.

Emperor Malgus has personally visited many WA world's who were hurt by natural disasters. Most recently, He traveled to a WA MEMBER planet by way of the Dreadnought class warship 'The Solace', a ship which could destroy the planet with a few hours of bombardment, but instead delivered aid and peace keeping soldiers. (They were removed at the request of the government after peace was restored).

But the idea that 'Hide yo kids, hide yo wives and hide yo husband's cuz the Non-WA nations are blowing up everybody out there...' is simply untrue..."

hmm maybe i miss said, but you're right, not all Non WA nations are the enemy.. My opposition still stands, SOME Non-WA nations are willing to destroy planets..

[Wrapper]

I bet the Non-WA nations are loving this proposal LOL

They will think "Oh those WA nations cant use weapons to destroy my world.. time to destroy theirs!!"

The use of planet destroying weapons are, or at least, should be used as a deterrent against said Non-WA nations. Allowing this resolution to pass makes us WA nations vulnerable to attack from the enemy.

Opposed

Have you read the entire proposal? See PERMITS clause III.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

The Ausitorian Ambassador, who had slipped quickly through the ambassador's responses to the present while rotating the air around him through six dimensions, decided to speak again.

"While this proposal seems to be inexorably passing through time towards the vote, we have two points we would like to raise. First, how do you define war? What if one side claims the war is over and then demolishes a really boring mostly-conquered planet to grow a tree or demolishes a really boring mostly-conquered galaxy to build a school classroom while there are still a few pink cybernetic gorillas who fight on? At present this act doesn't define warfare, which makes the question very subjective.

Second; how do you imagine inter-galactic empires will finish wars quickly if they have to fight over every single planet? It will cause a lot of pain and suffering if wars get dragged out so much. To use an analogy which you might understand, it's like banning navies from sinking warships; which means marines would have to force their way on board each warship individually. Now I understand that by the time you lot got around to fighting beyond visible range it would generally agreed by your admirals that boarding enemy ships was a thing of the past. Well first you do ships, then you do spaceships, then you do planets.

Just because we do things on a slightly bigger scale than you doesn't mean that you should discriminate against us. In fact I would have thought the reverse would have been more sensible..."

The Ambassador finished by wriggling his eyebrows in a circle around his eyes, hoping that this would freak out any remaining supporters of the act.

[Defwa]

I would argue that the majority of us find it in our best interests to do so. Your hyper macroscopic scale is too reliant on the destruction of trillions of lives. You need to find a more environmentally friendly way of doing things.

[Alotopia]

A hologram quickly appears via the holopad on Zach's desk. A dark figure flanked by two white clad soldiers begins to speak. He has a voice of a man in his 30s, but his face is masked.
"Greetings, I am Emperor Malgus the current Emperor of Alotopia. As this issue of planetary bombardment and destruction greatly interests me, I wish to speak on behalf of the Imperial Navy.

There is a great dispartiy in the ranks of the WA member nations; with there being members that control small amounts of land on one planet, to massive galactic empires. This makes this legislation very important for the small nations as some REGIONS are only on one planet. While the, one government, galactic nation could lose multiple planets without even knowing it. Well it would be a stupid government to lose multiple planets and not know, but that is besides the point.


Also, on the issue of destroying planets to quicken the war is inhumane and horrible. The only reason someone would do that is because they are over matched and cannot hope to win. It is horrible to extinguish the lives of countless millions because it would take to long to attack. War is for the capture of territory is it not? Why destroy a habitable planet, when you can take it over and make it better?

I seem to remember a conflict not to long ago involving a Republic and it's separatists. They fought over an entire galaxy, and still were able to attack, siege, and capture multiple planets at a time. They used cloning and battle druids for this purpose, as most space empires do aswell. The 'Empire' as they call it now seems to be very stable.
Thank you for your time. If there are any questions for me, I will leave the line open."
Emperor Malgus stands up, and retreats from view of the camera...

[Zarkanians]

I bet the Non-WA nations are loving this proposal LOL

They will think "Oh those WA nations cant use weapons to destroy my world.. time to destroy theirs!!"

The use of planet destroying weapons are, or at least, should be used as a deterrent against said Non-WA nations. Allowing this resolution to pass makes us WA nations vulnerable to attack from the enemy.

Opposed

The android Zach Smith stands to talk into his microphone.

"Honorable delegate, as a non-WA member, we are most certainly not "the enemy". Not once has the Empire 'slagged' a WA member planet, and we don't plan to. The audacity to call all of the non-WA members "the enemy" is rude and crazy.

Emperor Malgus has personally visited many WA world's who were hurt by natural disasters. Most recently, He traveled to a WA MEMBER planet by way of the Dreadnought class warship 'The Solace', a ship which could destroy the planet with a few hours of bombardment, but instead delivered aid and peace keeping soldiers. (They were removed at the request of the government after peace was restored).

But the idea that 'Hide yo kids, hide yo wives and hide yo husband's cuz the Non-WA nations are blowing up everybody out there...' is simply untrue..."

No, it's perfectly true. Not all Non-WA nations participate in that sort of behaviour, but many do, and in this case it is much easier and more effective to generalize with the term "Non-WA nations" than to slap three or more different qualifiers onto it.

[Draica]

Tung would begin shaking as he was very, very scared of aliens and their Ambassadors

"I change my stance to opposed. We may need to destroy these people and their civilizations soon.."

[The Union of Free Individuals]

In the course of events, there comes a time when humanity encounters other species, who through process of evolution, have become monsters. These unthinking beings, viscous and powerful enough to obliterate even a modern conventional military, are still qualified as life, and therefore what planets they exist on are inhabited. Under your bill, it is impossible to use planetary annihilation tactics against such creatures, even when doing so is the best way to preserve human life. For this reason, and for reasons of ensuring peace through mutually assured destruction amongst WA nations, The Union of Free Individuals stands Opposed to this proposition.

[Zarkanians]

In the course of events, there comes a time when humanity encounters other species, who through process of evolution, have become monsters. These unthinking beings, viscous and powerful enough to obliterate even a modern conventional military, are still qualified as life, and therefore what planets they exist on are inhabited. Under your bill, it is impossible to use planetary annihilation tactics against such creatures, even when doing so is the best way to preserve human life. For this reason, and for reasons of ensuring peace through mutually assured destruction amongst WA nations, The Union of Free Individuals stands Opposed to this proposition.

We do not understand the Union of Free Individual's apparent prejudice against viscous life-forms. As a space-faring society, Zarkanians has encountered several creatures composed mostly of thick, slow-moving fluids, and have found that, for the most part, they are quite friendly.

However, we understand and agree with your stance on space-faring entities of low-level intelligence. We have also encountered several species which are capable of surviving in the vacuum of space, but which tend to stay planet-bound until they have a reason to swarm between planets. Strategies of planetary annihilation have proven most useful against these creatures.

[Defwa]

Angela rubs her temples.
"You can still hold and use these weapons against non WA nations and in self defense! I do not know what is so difficult to comprehend this."

[Wrapper]

The North Pacific delegate has voted against. And the stampede begins.

For the record -- in spite of our pacifist government's official stance that this does not go far enough -- we vote aye.

[Lemmingtopias]

The Lemmingtopian Government is a nation on a planet which hundreds of different nations share. There are some planets which are completely occupied by a single nation. Under this Resolution, it would be impossible for Lemmingtopias to have a weapon of deterrent against these whole-planet nations despite the fact that those same nations would continue to be allowed a deterrent weapon capable of destroying a country such as Lemmingtopias.

Furthermore, while smaller nations continue to be able to hold WMD's as deterrents against one another, whole-world nations would be denied that right.

We believe such a situation to be unfair and only conducive to pushing universal power into the hands of the geographically largest nations and risking a scenario in which the whole-world nations, no longer contained by WMD deterrents, would be engulfed by universal war. Therefore, we vote against and call for a debate into how we can peacefully implement total universal disarmament of WMD's.

[Chester Pearson]

What we have here is a case of Dead on Arrival. I tried to convince the author to re-draft this as international security, and was rebuked. Too bad this is going down in flames, but as I said before this Assembly simply does not pass global disarmament bills at this strength....

[The Dark Star Republic]

"While we are voting against based on the title, we are generally supportive of the overall measure."

~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer

[Mosktopia]

Mosktopia votes FOR, in compliance with our general policy to vote for any proposal that seeks to rid the world of horrible weapons.

Mosktopia is unfamiliar with any actual examples of planetary annihilation as a military tactic, other than in science fiction. We are also unfamiliar with any weapons capable of such astounding damage (well, I suppose just about anything could be used in a way that "as the deliberate attack on a planet... causes the majority of life forms on the planet to die." Big rocks, oxygen, tiny little rocks, anything really. But nevermind...). Still, if such weapons ever were to exist, we ought to ban them.

But that leads us to wonder: why is this Assembly confining itself merely to "planetary" annihilators. Certainly, we should also outlaw solar annihilators, galactic annihilators, local group annihilators, and universe annihilators. If annihilating a planet is bad, surely annihilating a whole universe ought to be against the law. Also, why is no one speaking out against the skin melting neon gas rays, the rocket-powered monkey super soldiers, or the sharks with fricken laser beams on their heads?! Those weapons are just as scary as planetary annihilators and thrice as real!

... Or, in the future, we might focus our legislative efforts on slightly less fantastic issues. Just a thought.

[Talonis]

Well, then, best use all these bombs before I can't! And Any future targets are to be hit with bioweapons, deemed as "Medical Research" under the respective WA act "banning" bioweapons, and then subsequently eliminated. And all the targets will be the writers of the bill! I like this plan. Anyone care to join me?