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by Lucian De Mundo » Fri May 31, 2013 12:30 pm
by Araraukar » Fri May 31, 2013 1:10 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Neu Engollon » Fri May 31, 2013 1:47 pm
by Araraukar » Fri May 31, 2013 2:58 pm
Neu Engollon wrote:DECLARES that a mercenary, not licensed and bonded with a registered company, shall be considered an illegal combatant and should not be treated as a captured enemy but prosecuted under civil laws and subject to all civil punishments and rights of the concerned nation.
Neu Engollon wrote:CALLING FOR nations to fully cooperate in an extradition process including making available all evidence at their disposal, if doing so does notbeachbreach their national laws.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Neu Engollon » Fri May 31, 2013 3:07 pm
Araraukar wrote:Neu Engollon wrote:DECLARES that a mercenary, not licensed and bonded with a registered company, shall be considered an illegal combatant and should not be treated as a captured enemy but prosecuted under civil laws and subject to all civil punishments and rights of the concerned nation.
Now this I could agree with.Neu Engollon wrote:CALLING FOR nations to fully cooperate in an extradition process including making available all evidence at their disposal, if doing so does notbeachbreach their national laws.
Fixed it for you.
by Seth Abaddon » Fri May 31, 2013 3:36 pm
Araraukar wrote:DECLARES that a mercenary, not licensed and bonded with a registered company, shall be considered an illegal combatant and should not be treated as a captured enemy but prosecuted under civil laws and subject to all civil punishments and rights of the concerned nation.
Neu Engollon wrote:snip
by Neu Engollon » Fri May 31, 2013 4:03 pm
Seth Abaddon wrote:Araraukar wrote:DECLARES that a mercenary, not licensed and bonded with a registered company, shall be considered an illegal combatant and should not be treated as a captured enemy but prosecuted under civil laws and subject to all civil punishments and rights of the concerned nation.Neu Engollon wrote:snip
Thank you both, most of that is small changes which i have already made (I am sure there are more but will get to them tomorrow). The last point I am not so sure on,
The definition of a mercenary already states that they are not a PMC employee, as such who are you suggesting the mercenaries are bonded and registered with? If its for clarification purposes it is slightly confusing as I have not mentioned bonding anywhere or registration for mercenaries.
by Anacasppia » Fri May 31, 2013 10:00 pm
Neu Engollon wrote:Seth Abaddon wrote:
Thank you both, most of that is small changes which i have already made (I am sure there are more but will get to them tomorrow). The last point I am not so sure on,
The definition of a mercenary already states that they are not a PMC employee, as such who are you suggesting the mercenaries are bonded and registered with? If its for clarification purposes it is slightly confusing as I have not mentioned bonding anywhere or registration for mercenaries.
You should. Non-registered companies would not bother with bonding and licensing. The two go hand in hand. Plus, it would cover the bounty hunter overlap issue. Also, an individual could be tagged or claim erroneously to be a 'mercenary', and be licensed and bonded with a real, nationally registered company, in which case, they would also be a professional regulated soldier; hence they would not be liable to prosecution for violating conventional warfare laws.
Somewhat side note:
I may use this to start an RP mercenary guild, in which case, a PMC on GE&T or II forum would lose their credibility and legitimacy and be kicked out of the guild if they were proven to be in violation of this WA resolution. So it would actually have some application to RP, unlike the bulk of WA legislation.
Also, PMCs using WMDs, such as gas, bio or tactical nuclear weapons has not been covered. It is a very real possibility of transgression.
Anemos Major wrote:Forty-five men, thirty four tons, one crew cabin... anything could happen.
Mmm... it's getting hot in here.
by Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri May 31, 2013 11:14 pm
Anacasppia wrote:If my memory serves me well, there is either an attempt to legislate on that or a previously passed piece of legislation on that which forbids private entities from possessing WMDs (or something along those lines).
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Defining:
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b) Non-state actors as any parties or persons which are not fully owned by, operated by, or responsible to a sovereign nation or to sovereign nations
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[The WA Hereby]
Bans the possession of nuclear weapons by any non-state actor in all member nations and directs all member nations to rigorously enforce this rule as directed by the NWMC [Nuclear Weapons Management Commission],
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by Seth Abaddon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:57 am
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:snip
Neu Engollon wrote:You should. Non-registered companies would not bother with bonding and licensing. The two go hand in hand. Plus, it would cover the bounty hunter overlap issue. Also, an individual could be tagged or claim erroneously to be a 'mercenary', and be licensed and bonded with a real, nationally registered company, in which case, they would also be a professional regulated soldier; hence they would not be liable to prosecution for violating conventional warfare laws.
by Seth Abaddon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:32 am
by Mallorea and Riva » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:52 am
Seth Abaddon wrote:
DEFINES a Private Military Firm (PMC) as one which is registered and has received licensing from the recognized government of a nation in accordance with with their individual laws, to engage in activities which have the potential to exercise force or provide armed security services,
Seth Abaddon wrote:MANDATES that a PMC may only engage in employment with the officially recognized government of a nation as decided by the Government of their licensing nation.
Seth Abaddon wrote:MANDATING that PMC employees must be treated as any other captured member of an armed force of a political entity.
Seth Abaddon wrote:REQUIRES nations to furnish all PMCs they license with a list of weapons which they may utilize. This list may not include any weapons banned under World Assembly resolutions. In the event such weapons are in violation of any contracting nations laws they may not be used in the fulfillment of said contract.
by Seth Abaddon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:19 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Where to start...Seth Abaddon wrote:
DEFINES a Private Military Firm (PMC) as one which is registered and has received licensing from the recognized government of a nation in accordance with with their individual laws, to engage in activities which have the potential to exercise force or provide armed security services,
Alright first problem is that PMC is not right for Private Military Firm. I'm assuming you meant to put contractor. That's just sloppy.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Seth Abaddon wrote:MANDATING that PMC employees must be treated as any other captured member of an armed force of a political entity.
Even those of nonmember states? They are not required to abide by these regulations, and while it is all good and noble to hold irregulars as we would regular military personnel, that is not likely to be reciprocated.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Seth Abaddon wrote:REQUIRES nations to furnish all PMCs they license with a list of weapons which they may utilize. This list may not include any weapons banned under World Assembly resolutions. In the event such weapons are in violation of any contracting nations laws they may not be used in the fulfillment of said contract.
Grammar, you should have an apostrophe on "nations" for "nations' laws".
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Overall it still needs work. Good topic, but you failed to appropriately proofread.
by Mallorea and Riva » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:25 am
Seth Abaddon wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:What about in cases of civil war? What about cases of Anarchy?
It is the government of the licencing nation who decides, they may choose one side in a civil war and recognize them in which case they would be the recognized government. Which body, person, company, potted plant or otherwise your government chooses to recognize is a national matter.
Seth Abaddon wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:Even those of nonmember states? They are not required to abide by these regulations, and while it is all good and noble to hold irregulars as we would regular military personnel, that is not likely to be reciprocated.
If a PMC are fighting with nation x and nation y capturers several members they must be treated as any regular soilder would, prisioners of war if this exists in that nation but no worse that any other captured regular soilder. We cant licence for non WA nations who can do as they choose both in terms of captured regular soilders and PMCs.
by Araraukar » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:36 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Seth Abaddon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:42 am
Mallorea and Riva wrote:
You misunderstood my question, if a nation in a Civil War seeks to hire PMCs then can the PMCs take the contract? What if the revolutionary party attempts to hire them?
Mallorea and Riva wrote:You can, however, legislate how we treat non WA nations' captured PMCs.
by Point Breeze » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:53 pm
Thane of WA Affairs for Wintreath
by Seth Abaddon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:08 pm
Point Breeze wrote:OOC. I've been following this debate and, boy, has it been entertaining. I'm sure the imaginary GA chamber was in an imaginary uproar at some points.
Wait a minute. What if one nation recognizes the old government and another nation recognizes the revolutionary element? Now I may be confused, but this seems to contradict your earlier statements.
by Araraukar » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:46 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Christian Democrats » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:40 pm
MANDATING that if PMC status of a company is revoked, its employees will be considered mercenaries and punishable under civil laws.
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DECLARES that an unregistered mercenary shall be considered an illegal combatant and should not be treated as a captured enemy but prosecuted under civil laws and subject to all civil punishments and rights of the nation in which they are located.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Hallensbane » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:14 pm
Seth Abaddon wrote:Point Breeze wrote:OOC. I've been following this debate and, boy, has it been entertaining. I'm sure the imaginary GA chamber was in an imaginary uproar at some points.
Wait a minute. What if one nation recognizes the old government and another nation recognizes the revolutionary element? Now I may be confused, but this seems to contradict your earlier statements.
The national government of the licencing authrity is responsible for this.
In your example one nation recognizes one side, any PMCs licenced by that government would be able to obtain contacts from that side and the government recognizing the other side could seek conracts from that side only.
This is not an attempt to standarize who the various national governments recognize as legimite governmnets, that is completely at their own discression.
by Common Territories » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:17 pm
by Point Breeze » Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:26 pm
Ius wrote:These PMCs, how can our nation's government trust them not to stage a coup. They are private right? therefore controlled by private citizens who can doe what ever they please.
Thane of WA Affairs for Wintreath
by Common Territories » Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:28 pm
Ius wrote:These PMCs, how can our nation's government trust them not to stage a coup. They are private right? therefore controlled by private citizens who can doe what ever they please.
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