by Venaleria » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:33 pm
by Venaleria » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:41 pm
Alyekra wrote:Another case of a WA member who thinks he knows better than all the other nations.
by Flibbleites » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:44 pm
by Venaleria » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:48 pm
Flibbleites wrote:A few things,
- First off the word you're looking for is "sites" not "sights."
- Regarding the fines, depending on which nation is selected the fines could be more expensive than anyone could afford or a mere pittance.
- Your proposal lacks an Industry Affected
I'm sure there's more problems, but that's good for a start.
Bob Flibble
WA Representative
by Flibbleites » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:57 pm
Venaleria wrote:Flibbleites wrote:A few things,
- First off the word you're looking for is "sites" not "sights."
- Regarding the fines, depending on which nation is selected the fines could be more expensive than anyone could afford or a mere pittance.
- Your proposal lacks an Industry Affected
I'm sure there's more problems, but that's good for a start.
Bob Flibble
WA Representative
Thanks for your help! I have edited the "sights" problem but I am confused about what "Industry Affected" means and how to address the currency issue. Got any tips?
by Venaleria » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:09 pm
Flibbleites wrote:Venaleria wrote:
Thanks for your help! I have edited the "sights" problem but I am confused about what "Industry Affected" means and how to address the currency issue. Got any tips?
Environmental resolutions target specific industries either "Automobile Manufacturing," "Uranium Mining," Woodchipping," or "All Businesses." As it stands your proposal does not specify which industry it's targeting. As for the currency issue, there's a reason no resolution contains anything along those lines, it's basically impossible to do.
Bob Flibble
WA Representative
by Araraukar » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:47 pm
Venaleria wrote:Concerned at the increasingly declining health of coral reef formations in many parts of the world
Venaleria wrote:Appalled at the lack of support world nations have contributed to the protection of this species
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Venaleria » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:45 pm
Araraukar wrote:Venaleria wrote:Concerned at the increasingly declining health of coral reef formations in many parts of the world
The technicalities of the proposal aside for the moment, we're not certain what world the honorable ambassador of Venaleria lives on, but at least the coral reefs found on the coast of Araraukar are thriving. Of course we limit tourist access and collecting live coral is an offence punishable by jail time.Venaleria wrote:Appalled at the lack of support world nations have contributed to the protection of this species
Which one of the hundreds or thousands of species would that be? And does it only account for "stony corals" which are the reef-builders, or also soft corals which add to the biodiversity of the reef?
by Grays Harbor » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:23 pm
Venaleria wrote: How would you suggest I include the industry into the post? (Fishing could be the industry if it is viable)
by Hansen Island » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:19 am
Urging the WAGA to recognize the importance of coral reef formations as they generate tourism and boost economical stability throughout the nations of the world
i. Littering of beaches and coastal sites everywhere is banned and is punishable by a fine of 500 of a select nation's national currency.
ii. Fishing on beaches and coastal sites everywhere is banned without a permit showing clear education on the subject, punishable by a fine of 10,000 of a select nation's national currency.
by Venaleria » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:16 pm
Grays Harbor wrote:Venaleria wrote: How would you suggest I include the industry into the post? (Fishing could be the industry if it is viable)
This is why we say "write the resolution to the category" and not the other way around, which is to write a resolution then scramble to try and shoehorn it into something, which, by the way, never works.
by Venaleria » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:05 pm
Hansen Island wrote:I think this is a good idea, and is something the World Assembly should consider focussing on. However, I think there are a few parts of this that need to be changed.Urging the WAGA to recognize the importance of coral reef formations as they generate tourism and boost economical stability throughout the nations of the world
The word here is economic. Just a grammar-based tidbit. Also, possibly something regarding the outstanding natural beauty and environmental/biological parts of coral reefs would be a good point to add?i. Littering of beaches and coastal sites everywhere is banned and is punishable by a fine of 500 of a select nation's national currency.
ii. Fishing on beaches and coastal sites everywhere is banned without a permit showing clear education on the subject, punishable by a fine of 10,000 of a select nation's national currency.
The problem with this is that for some nations, even 500 of their currency is worth 10 years wages, while for others, 10,000 is something that they won't even bend over to pick up if they drop it. Mandating fixed amounts of currency isn't possible. Instead, maybe state something along the lines of a fixed fine, or something like that?
The only other point that I personally have to raise at the moment is the necessity to add a few definitions; primarily "coral reefs", "beaches and coastal sites", "littering" and "moorings". Apart from that, I think there might be something here.
by Flibbleites » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:47 pm
Venaleria wrote:Grays Harbor wrote:This is why we say "write the resolution to the category" and not the other way around, which is to write a resolution then scramble to try and shoehorn it into something, which, by the way, never works.
You would be glad to know that I did write the category before the proposal...
by Araraukar » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:50 pm
Venaleria wrote:(Beaches and coastal sites meaning any land directly next to a body of water whether consisting of a sandy or pebbly surface or of a docking area directly on the water etc.)
iii. Install moorings on beaches and coastal sites everywhere in order to help protect the coral reefs from damage by boats and anchors (Moorings meaning any place where a boat or ship can be safely and securely tied or moored)
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Venaleria » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:39 pm
Araraukar wrote:Venaleria wrote:(Beaches and coastal sites meaning any land directly next to a body of water whether consisting of a sandy or pebbly surface or of a docking area directly on the water etc.)
iii. Install moorings on beaches and coastal sites everywhere in order to help protect the coral reefs from damage by boats and anchors (Moorings meaning any place where a boat or ship can be safely and securely tied or moored)
The way that is worded would require moorings to be built everywhere, even on pristine wilderness as well as rivers and lakes. Perhaps the presence of coral reefs should be required for these effects?
by Venaleria » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:46 pm
by Dubria (Ancient) » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:32 pm
i. Littering of beaches and coastal sites everywhere is banned and is punishable by a fine of 500 of a select nation's national currency.
iv. Begin tertiary treatment plans in order to remove harmful nutrients from sewage and agricultural waste
Beaches and coastal sites meaning any land directly next to a body of water whether consisting of a sandy or pebbly surface or of a docking area directly on the water etc. ... iii. Install moorings on beaches and coastal sites everywhere in order to help protect the coral reefs from damage by boats and anchors
The World Assembly,Concerned at the increasingly declining health of coral reef formations in many parts of the world;
Urging the World Assembly to recognize the importance of coral reef formations as they generate tourism and boost economic stability throughout the nations of the world, and provide outstanding biological diversity and natural beauty to the coasts of these nations;
Appalled at the lack of support world nations have contributed to the protection of this species;
Hereby,Defines the following terms:
( Authored by Venaleria, obviously. Currently at 2,397 characters (with spaces), or 373 words. )"Coral reef formation" meaning a reef composed mainly of coral and other organic matter of which parts have solidified into limestone, "coral" referring to the kingdom animalia, the phylum cnidarian, the class anthacoa, the order scleractinia, the family pectiniidae, and the genus oxypora;
Mandates acts by individual governments which regulate littering of beaches and coastal sites, and commercial fishing near beaches and coastal sites without a permit showing clear education on the subject, the punishment for which being a fine that is reasonable and proportional to the average income of citizens of the nation-state;
"Littering" meaning the careless discard of objects or materials which have the potential to being harmful to a certain environment;
"Beaches and coastal sites" meaning any land directly next to a body of water whether consisting of a sandy or pebbly surface or of a docking area directly on the water in which there are known coral reef formations;
"Moorings" meaning any place where a boat or ship can be safely and securely tied or moored;
Encourages the installment of moorings on beaches and coastal sites in which there are known coral reef formations in order to help protect the coral reefs from damage by boats and anchors, insofar as it would not place undue hardship to the installing government;
Encourages tertiary treatment plans in order to remove harmful elements from sewage and agricultural waste;
Understands that these regulations will only be issued towards sites in which there is a coastal reef or formation nearby;
Understands that this resolution, by no means, limits nations from further legislation or stricter measures in order to make progress to the potential international conservation of the coral reef;
Urges nations to enact further environmental protection laws in order to conserve the coral reef species.
by Dilange » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:54 pm
Venaleria wrote:
i. Littering of beaches and coastal sites everywhere is banned and is punishable by a fine of 500 of a select nation's national currency. (Littering meaning the careless discard of objects or materials which have the potential to being harmful to a certain environment)
ii. Fishing on beaches and coastal sites everywhere is banned without a permit showing clear education on the subject, punishable by a fine of 10,000 of a select nation's national currency. (Beaches and coastal sites meaning any land directly next to a body of water whether consisting of a sandy or pebbly surface or of a docking area directly on the water etc.)
iii. Install moorings on beaches and coastal sites everywhere in order to help protect the coral reefs from damage by boats and anchors (Moorings meaning any place where a boat or ship can be safely and securely tied or moored)
iv. Begin tertiary treatment plans in order to remove harmful nutrients from sewage and agricultural waste
by Charles Cerebella » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:28 am
by Araraukar » Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:14 am
Dilange wrote:1) What the fuck has this got to do with trout fishing?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Dubria (Ancient) » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:20 am
Dubria's draft is looking good and covers many of the concerns I had. Perhaps for the fines it could set them in relation to the average weekly income of an individual in that country? Would be fairly universal in terms of standards then even if not in actual amount.
How is this enforceable? ... with what funds?
Littering beaches? What does this have to do with coral reefs? ... Whats does littering beaches have to do with trout fishing?
You are basically banning fishing anywhere.
by Venaleria » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:22 pm
Dilange wrote:Venaleria wrote:
i. Littering of beaches and coastal sites everywhere is banned and is punishable by a fine of 500 of a select nation's national currency. (Littering meaning the careless discard of objects or materials which have the potential to being harmful to a certain environment)
1) How is this enforceable?
2) Littering beaches? What does this have to do with coral reefs?
3) Whats does littering beaches have to do with trout fishing?ii. Fishing on beaches and coastal sites everywhere is banned without a permit showing clear education on the subject, punishable by a fine of 10,000 of a select nation's national currency. (Beaches and coastal sites meaning any land directly next to a body of water whether consisting of a sandy or pebbly surface or of a docking area directly on the water etc.)
1) You are basically banning fishing anywhere.
2) How is this enforceable?iii. Install moorings on beaches and coastal sites everywhere in order to help protect the coral reefs from damage by boats and anchors (Moorings meaning any place where a boat or ship can be safely and securely tied or moored)
1) with what funds?
2) What does this have to do with trout fishing?iv. Begin tertiary treatment plans in order to remove harmful nutrients from sewage and agricultural waste
1) What the fuck has this got to do with trout fishing?
This is just another environmental "dont kill the fish, man..dont kill the man." proposal. No, orry, no. I thought this would be affecting businesses but this si just general environmental, nothing to do with an industry.
as to not have people who don't know how to fish casting their lines and suddenly coming up with a huge chunk of coral.Clear education on the suject
by Venaleria » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:01 pm
by Bears Armed » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:21 am
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