[DRAFT] Legalisation of Abortion

[Quelesh]

You probably mean "statute" instead of "statue" in the CLARIFIES clause. Otherwise, I see no problems, though I've only skimmed the new draft at this time. I once again reiterate my support of this proposal in the event that On Abortion is repealed (or for that matter even if it is not).

Alexandria Yadoru
Quelesian WA ambassador

[Linux and the X]

You probably mean "statute" instead of "statue" in the CLARIFIES clause.

Hrm, yeah. Apparently it ISN'T a good idea to try to add things like that in thirty seconds including an updated character count.

Otherwise, I see no problems, though I've only skimmed the new draft at this time. I once again reiterate my support of this proposal in the event that On Abortion is repealed (or for that matter even if it is not).

While we would have no problem submitting this with On Abortion still in force, the Secretariat probably would.

[Novus Niciae]

What actual effect would this have on us?

Unplanned pregnancy is unknown for us since we reproduce asexually.

[Hirota]

What actual effect would this have on us?

Unplanned pregnancy is unknown for us since we reproduce asexually.

The same as all the other abortion legislation you've been forced to comply with during your tenure at the WA, I'd imagine.

[Linux and the X]

Bringing this up for discussion again since some members seem to think they want to repeal OA.

[Garbolav]

The nation of Garbolav is unequivocally opposed to this draft legislation, to our nation and others this resolution would amount to legalising the murder of a member of their nation's sapient species. We also strongly condemn any use of the implementation of this draft as a threat to prevent the repeal of General Assembly resolution 128 which already forces all WA members to legalise abortion for certain controversial reasons. We hereby call upon the Happily Depressed Hackers of Linux and the X to either scrap this draft resolution, or edit it significantly so as not to compel abortion in any way on any nation. - The Federation of Garbolav's foreign minister Hugo Richard

[Linux and the X]

We hereby call upon the Happily Depressed Hackers of Linux and the X to either scrap this draft resolution, or edit it significantly so as not to compel abortion in any way on any nation. - The Federation of Garbolav's foreign minister Hugo Richard

No.

[Eireann Fae]

Rowan smiles at Fred's curt statement to the Garbolavian Ambassador. "Ah, brevity. A lost art."

[Discoveria]

Rowan smiles at Fred's curt statement to the Garbolavian Ambassador. "Ah, brevity. A lost art."

Matthew just smiled without saying anything. Then, realising that he should probably contribute something of relevance to the debate, he said, "This resolution seems a bit heavy on the micromanagement of how abortion would be provided, but we may be inclined to support it. It would require a full analysis before that point though."

[Discoveria]

REALISING that people occasionally get become pregnant without wishing to give birth,

BELIEVING that these people have an inherent right to control their bodies, but What you really mean is that you believe these people have the right to bodily sovereignty/bodily integrity or what Wikipedia calls self-ownership. "control their bodies" makes me think of the nervous system and control of movement. I'd rephrase, something like "BELIEVING that all pregnant persons have an inherent right to exclusive control and use of their body"

NOTING that some nations currently prevent this, But you should probably go for the compromise argument, which would be "DESIRING a reasonable compromise between the above right and the protection of fetal life,"

THE WORLD ASSEMBLY

DEFINES an abortion as the act of terminating a pregnancy, I approve of this definition because it would exclude miscarriages from the remit of the resolution, something that On Abortion doesn't do at all. I still prefer my definition of abortion which would be "DEFINES an abortion, for the purposes of this resolution, as the intentional termination of a pregnancy by any means other than by the delivery of the fetus,

CLARIFIES that feticide, defined for the purposes of this resolution as the intentional death or destruction of the fetus prior to delivery, shall be subject to the same provisions that apply to abortion in this resolution" - this bit is required because selective feticide can be used in multiple pregnancy without causing the termination of pregnancy. But really we should have a debate about how to legislate around selective feticide.

PROCLAIMS that procuring an abortion is a human right, I would be less forward about this to try and get more of the pro-life vote, e.g. "DECLARES that procuring an abortion is appropriate in certain circumstances,"

MANDATES the following regulations on abortion:

1) Seeking, procuring, providing, or otherwise being involved in an abortion shall be legal in all member States, and no person who seeks, procures, provides, or is otherwise involved in an abortion may be penalised in any way by any member State, except as provided in this resolution or in previous and active legislation by this Assembly, So much for the pro-life vote.
2) A person who does not hold a valid license to practice medicine may be penalised by a member State for providing a medical abortion within the member State, if other medical procedures require the same licensure by the member State,
a) No member State may require as a condition of receiving or retaining a license to practice medicine an agreement not to provide abortions,
b) Provision of abortion services shall be considered a part of a medical professional's duties, I think abortion is rightly a reason for conscientious objection, so I would not support this. Also it doesn't apply well to nations where abortion is a specialist service provided by non-medical professionals. I could live with it though.
3) Consent from the individual receiving the abortion must be obtained before providing an abortion,
a) Age shall not be a factor in determining an individual's capacity to consent,
b) A medical professional may provide an abortion without consent to an incapacitated person if the abortion, in the judgment of the professional, will preserve life or health, unless the incapacitated person has previously signed a valid order prohibiting life- or health-preserving treatment, I'd support this, but actually I would suggest an improvement here. The point of life-saving abortion is not that the abortion in and of itself is life-saving, it's the fact that the continuation of the pregnancy would be a threat to life or health. I'd go for "to an incapacitated person if the continuation of the pregnancy, in the judgment of the professional, would expose the pregnant person to or constitute a serious threat to their life or their physical or mental health"
4) No member State may require waiting periods, return visits, or any medical procedure as a condition of an abortion,
a) Abortion providers may institute such requirements, but member States may not require or direct the institution of such requirements,
i) In the event that abortion providers are government employees, requirements necessary in their professional judgement may be instituted, but such requirements may not be mandated by law,
5) In no case may a person involved in an abortion be required to publicise any part of the abortion, or their or anyone else's involvement, including as a prerequisite to their involvement,

CLARIFIES that any reference to member States above shall also refer to any subdivisions thereof, and to private parties given regulatory authority, and that any reference to law shall also refer to rule, statute, and the like, and

REQUIRES all health care plans, public or private, to cover abortions and any associated expenses.

Abortion in cases of severe fetal abnormality is missing from your draft, I am guessing because you don't think it needs to be mandated as a justification for abortion?

Some fluff that you could consider including:

• Appropriate medical facilities must be available at a place where abortions are performed, to ensure the safety of the pregnant person before, during and after an induced abortion procedure.
• Abortion should be performed with a minimal risk to the health of the pregnant person, and with use of sterile technique and analgesia where appropriate.

In the long term I am concerned that, because you've got lots of little details in this draft, the pro-life camp will find it easy to repeal. I do think a compromise position like On Abortion has a better chance of surviving the test of time.

[Linux and the X]

Looks like time to pull this out of the drawer again.

[Ostroeuropa]

I actually prefer this to the current legislation on the books.
Is it worth repealing just to pass this one though is the question.

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

OOC:Yes this is from a different debate but it applies here as well.

This proposal is basically the opposite side of the coin of the pro-life proposals which have been coming around on this subject. Given the moral ambiguity of the topic, it really is best to not try to swing the discussion too far in either direction on an international level.

Best wishes,

[Linux and the X]

OOC:Yes this is from a different debate but it applies here as well.

This proposal is basically the opposite side of the coin of the pro-life proposals which have been coming around on this subject. Given the moral ambiguity of the topic, it really is best to not try to swing the discussion too far in either direction on an international level.

Best wishes,

We suggest that you (or anyone else who opposes this) vote against any repeal of On Abortion, then.

[Tea Party USA 2]

Sry but this issue is a nation issue not a WA issue.

[Bonifatus]

OOC:Yes this is from a different debate but it applies here as well.

This proposal is basically the opposite side of the coin of the pro-life proposals which have been coming around on this subject. Given the moral ambiguity of the topic, it really is best to not try to swing the discussion too far in either direction on an international level.

Best wishes,

We suggest that you (or anyone else who opposes this) vote against any repeal of On Abortion, then.

A: 128 mandates abortion, we gain nothing from not repealing it. Your logic makes no sense.
B: your signature sums up the situation my friend. 1% with 39% of votes. If that one percent mandates that abortion is legal then you're on board, but if we even try to give the 99% more rights on this issue you are up in arms about it.

[Olvern]

I'd support this, because if everyone bows down to this NatSov thing over and over again we might as well not have a WA.

[Mousebumples]

A part of me wonders if we need a gay-marriage-style compromise on this issue.

If you want to outlaw abortion, that's fine. But you also have to make sure you have the tubes tied of all of your males once they reach puberty, so it's a non issue. After all, if you want to impact the reproductive rights of women ... fair's fair, is it not?

[Bonifatus]

I'd support this, because if everyone bows down to this NatSov thing over and over again we might as well not have a WA.

Hey there's an idea! Maybe we shouldn't have a WA! All we need to do is repeal GAR 1!
I just re-skimmed the thread and encourage all to read what the mod wrote on page 3. These threads are irrelevant, nobody's changing their minds. May I suggest that we drop this issue.

[ALMF]

Ambassador, are you truly so uninformed as to be unaware of the definition of kill?


What if a man wants an abortion?

a man wanting an abortion? whats next space aliens?

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