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Should the last clause "Forbids any nation to discriminate against anyone..." be striken?

Yes, strike it
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80%
No, don't strike it
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20%
 
Total votes : 25

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Bananaistan
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Postby Bananaistan » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:39 am

At least they prolly have a pile of guns to attempt to overthrow the tyrannical government.
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West Angola
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby West Angola » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:40 am

New Molsona wrote:1. Exactly

Then why are you asking for an explanation? You are in open defiance of WA law, yet you expect us to conform to your version of such.

New Molsona wrote:2. Neither do guns. Saying guns kill people is like saying spoons make people fat.

Wow, I am so glad you used this argument that I have never heard before. No, because a spoon is designed to help people eat. A gun is inherently designed to kill things.

New Molsona wrote:By the way, the koran advocates the "killing of infidels".

You're wrong. It doesn't say infidels, it says idolators. At any rate, once again, this is not the topic of the thread. Will you please stop threadjacking?
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Arklland
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Ex-Nation

Postby Arklland » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:40 am

New Molsona wrote:
Arklland wrote:
1.Why not just resign from the WA then?
2.People with guns do kill people. People without guns cannot commit gun crime

1. Read the statement I just made regarding that same question
2. On 9/11 3,000 people were killed, the World Trade Center was brought down, and America was plunged into an ongoing war. No guns were involved.

I said people without guns cannot commit gun crime, not cannot crash planes into buildings.

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Curlywurlyia
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Founded: Feb 22, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Curlywurlyia » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:41 am

Bananaistan wrote:At least they prolly have a pile of guns to attempt to overthrow the tyrannical government.

Haha true
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Elke and Elba
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Ex-Nation

Postby Elke and Elba » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:41 am

"HEY HEY HEY WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT?!" Ambassador Norrland shouts. "WHAT KORAN/QURAN, WHAT 9/11 WHAT WHAT WHAT?!"

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Get back to topic please. The world is so sad out there I need not be reminded of it here.
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West Angola
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Postby West Angola » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:42 am

New Molsona wrote:We stay in the WA because we do not wish to back down and allow the liberal take over of the world to continue. If racial minorities in America just left when their rights were being denied, think about what America would be be like today. Conservatives are a political minority in the WA, and we refuse to back away from our oppressors.
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New Molsona wrote:2. On 9/11 3,000 people were killed, the World Trade Center was brought down, and America was plunged into an ongoing war. No guns were involved.

You've been told multiple times that RL events are completely irrelevant here. Please stop bringing them up.

Elke and Elba wrote:"HEY HEY HEY WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT?!" Ambassador Norrland shouts. "WHAT KORAN/QURAN,

(OOC: I would argue that the Quran would exist on NS, owing to the Muslim nations here.)
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New Molsona
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Founded: Sep 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby New Molsona » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:43 am

Curlywurlyia wrote:
New Molsona wrote:We stay in the WA because we do not wish to back down and allow the liberal take over of the world to continue. If racial minorities in America just left when their rights were being denied, think about what America would be be like today. Conservatives are a political minority in the WA, and we refuse to back away from our oppressors.
“When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw.” - Nelson Mandela

What about the followers of other religions/homosexuals in your country which you are oppressing? Their rights are being denied by your refusal to comply with WA legislation.

In case you aren't familiar with Molsonian history, Molsona was completely uninhabited when it was discovered in the early 1980's. Nobody is forcing non-Christians or gay people to move here. Anyone that becomes gay is free to leave Molsona at any time.
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West Angola
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Postby West Angola » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:44 am

New Molsona wrote:In case you aren't familiar with Molsonian history, Molsona was completely uninhabited when it was discovered in the early 1980's. Nobody is forcing non-Christians or gay people to move here. Anyone that becomes gay is free to leave Molsona at any time.

:palm: Do you hear yourself? The amount of irony in this statement is just...sad. You are free to leave the WA.
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New Molsona
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Ex-Nation

Postby New Molsona » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:45 am

Arklland wrote:
New Molsona wrote:1. Read the statement I just made regarding that same question
2. On 9/11 3,000 people were killed, the World Trade Center was brought down, and America was plunged into an ongoing war. No guns were involved.

I said people without guns cannot commit gun crime, not cannot crash planes into buildings.

I'm saying, even if someone has no way to get a gun, they can still kill thousands of people. If law abiding citizens have guns, that makes a terrorist's job much harder.
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"The American dream is not that every man must be level with every other man. The American dream is that every man must be free to become whatever God intends he should become."
"The Constitution was never meant to prevent people from praying; its declared purpose was to protect their freedom to pray."

-Both quotes are from Ronald Reagan

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New Molsona
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Founded: Sep 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby New Molsona » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:48 am

West Angola wrote:
New Molsona wrote:1. Exactly

Then why are you asking for an explanation? You are in open defiance of WA law, yet you expect us to conform to your version of such.

New Molsona wrote:2. Neither do guns. Saying guns kill people is like saying spoons make people fat.

Wow, I am so glad you used this argument that I have never heard before. No, because a spoon is designed to help people eat. A gun is inherently designed to kill things.

New Molsona wrote:By the way, the koran advocates the "killing of infidels".

You're wrong. It doesn't say infidels, it says idolators. At any rate, once again, this is not the topic of the thread. Will you please stop threadjacking?

1. According to SC#114, my nation can break whatever WA law I want
2. A gun is designed to allow people to protect themselves. By the way, you can't complain about us denying rights to our citizens while you deny your citizen's right to own guns.
3. What ever it says, the Koran violates WA law.
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"The American dream is not that every man must be level with every other man. The American dream is that every man must be free to become whatever God intends he should become."
"The Constitution was never meant to prevent people from praying; its declared purpose was to protect their freedom to pray."

-Both quotes are from Ronald Reagan

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New Molsona
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Founded: Sep 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby New Molsona » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:48 am

West Angola wrote:
New Molsona wrote:In case you aren't familiar with Molsonian history, Molsona was completely uninhabited when it was discovered in the early 1980's. Nobody is forcing non-Christians or gay people to move here. Anyone that becomes gay is free to leave Molsona at any time.

:palm: Do you hear yourself? The amount of irony in this statement is just...sad. You are free to leave the WA.

How is this ironic
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"The American dream is not that every man must be level with every other man. The American dream is that every man must be free to become whatever God intends he should become."
"The Constitution was never meant to prevent people from praying; its declared purpose was to protect their freedom to pray."

-Both quotes are from Ronald Reagan

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New Molsona
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Founded: Sep 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby New Molsona » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:49 am

West Angola wrote:
New Molsona wrote:We stay in the WA because we do not wish to back down and allow the liberal take over of the world to continue. If racial minorities in America just left when their rights were being denied, think about what America would be be like today. Conservatives are a political minority in the WA, and we refuse to back away from our oppressors.
“When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw.” - Nelson Mandela


New Molsona wrote:2. On 9/11 3,000 people were killed, the World Trade Center was brought down, and America was plunged into an ongoing war. No guns were involved.

You've been told multiple times that RL events are completely irrelevant here. Please stop bringing them up.

Elke and Elba wrote:"HEY HEY HEY WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT?!" Ambassador Norrland shouts. "WHAT KORAN/QURAN,

(OOC: I would argue that the Quran would exist on NS, owing to the Muslim nations here.)

If 9/11 never happened, explain why Molsona is fighting in the Afghanistan War.
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"The American dream is not that every man must be level with every other man. The American dream is that every man must be free to become whatever God intends he should become."
"The Constitution was never meant to prevent people from praying; its declared purpose was to protect their freedom to pray."

-Both quotes are from Ronald Reagan

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Curlywurlyia
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Founded: Feb 22, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Curlywurlyia » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:52 am

New Molsona wrote:
West Angola wrote:Then why are you asking for an explanation? You are in open defiance of WA law, yet you expect us to conform to your version of such.


Wow, I am so glad you used this argument that I have never heard before. No, because a spoon is designed to help people eat. A gun is inherently designed to kill things.


You're wrong. It doesn't say infidels, it says idolators. At any rate, once again, this is not the topic of the thread. Will you please stop threadjacking?

1. According to SC#114, my nation can break whatever WA law I want
2. A gun is designed to allow people to protect themselves. By the way, you can't complain about us denying rights to our citizens while you deny your citizen's right to own guns.
3. What ever it says, the Koran violates WA law.

You still have not provided any evidence that ownership of guns is a citizen's right
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Ponderosa
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Anarchy

Postby Ponderosa » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:53 am

New Molsona wrote:
West Angola wrote:

You've been told multiple times that RL events are completely irrelevant here. Please stop bringing them up.


(OOC: I would argue that the Quran would exist on NS, owing to the Muslim nations here.)

If 9/11 never happened, explain why Molsona is fighting in the Afghanistan War.


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Postby Kryozerkia » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:54 am

New Molsona wrote:
West Angola wrote:

You've been told multiple times that RL events are completely irrelevant here. Please stop bringing them up.


(OOC: I would argue that the Quran would exist on NS, owing to the Muslim nations here.)

If 9/11 never happened, explain why Molsona is fighting in the Afghanistan War.

You've received numerous mod warnings to knock off the threadjacking. Your thread has been locked for this and trolling. You've been banned twice for the same offence. You've failed to learn. *** As you refuse to heed moderator warnings, we're escalating this to a DEAT ***.
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