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[ABANDONED]Access to Sea Ports

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Nucoclan
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[ABANDONED]Access to Sea Ports

Postby Nucoclan » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:25 pm

Category:Free Trade
Strength:Mild

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.

Aware that no international legislation currently governs member nations having access to sea ports.

Convinced that allowing member nations to have access to sea ports will ensure the stability and the advancement of shipping and other services. Thereby, improving international trade and commerce.

The World Assembly,

Mandates the articles below:

Article I

Section I Definitions

1. A sea port is a location on a coast or shore containing one or more harbors where ships can dock and transfer citizens or cargo to or from land.

2. Defines access as the permission or the right to enter, get near, or make use of the member nation's sea port.


Article II

Section 1 What access to sea ports will allow member nations;

1.Free trade with other member nations of choice.

2.More income for member nations.

3.Reduced barriers to allow free trade.

4.The power to turn away ships remains with the nation's government. Member nations are allowed to turn away whoever they want and whenever they want for any reason.

Cognizant that the provisions of this resolution do apply to all member nation's sea ports.

Hereby granting, all member nations access to sea ports.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:27 pm

Nucoclan wrote:Category:Free Trade
Strength:Mild

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.

Aware that no international legislation currently governs member nations having access to ports.

Convinced that allowing member nations to have access to ports will ensure the stability and the advancement of shipping and other services. Thereby, improving international trade and commerce.

Mandates the articles below:

Article I

Section I Definitions

1. A port is a location on a coast or shore containing one or more harbors where ships can dock and transfer citizens or cargo to or from land.

2. Defines access as the permission or the right to enter, get near, or make use of the member nation's port.

Article II

Section I Additional powers and responsibilities of the International Transportation Safety Committee (ITSC).

1. The ITSC shall allow all member nations access to ports.

2.The ITSC shall have the power to maintain the safety of all ports.

Cognizant that the provisions of this resolution don't apply to any Naval port or government operated port.

Hereby granting, all member nations access to ports.


"No. We reserve there right to refuse access to and and all ports in our territory, for any reason. It is our territory, and we will allow access to it as we deem fit."

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Chester Pearson
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Postby Chester Pearson » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:31 pm

2.The ITSC shall have the power to maintain the safety of all ports.


:rofl: So all Federation ports will become WA controlled territory? I don't think so Tim....
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Postby Normlpeople » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:06 pm

"Not only does this seem overly simplistic, and contain what I can only hope are formatting errors (as it is currently written, it places our sovereign territory directly under WA control... Ambassador Pearson beat me to pointing that out), but it does not contain enough substance. As it is currently written, I to allow for example, a nation I am at war with to directly access my ports with their troop carriers and warships. Needless to say, this is unacceptable.

The idea is worth pursuing, however, it needs to be properly written to account for the many issues that such access will allow. In its current form, I cannot support it."
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Fendon
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Postby Fendon » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:51 pm

Ambassador, I highly doubt that this resolution will be highly regarded in the WA. In fact, I believe a majority will ignore this completely and pass this off as some sort of joke. There are a number of issues with this resolution, from the poor formatting to the broad terminology. In addition to this, we also feel that giving an exterior organisation the authority to permit groups or individuals to enter our borders is a blatant breach of security for our people. This resolution would put our nation at a physical risk from potential enemies and an economical risk. What if, for example, in an attempt to improve international trade, you introduce new species to our environment, therefor ruining sectors of our economy? I don't believe that you have thought of the practical issues this resolution could bring.

Perhaps if you reassessed the situation, you could come up with an alternative, where the power to turn away ships remains with the nation's government. I would like to be allowed to turn away whoever I want, whether they pose a risk or not.

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Chester Pearson
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Postby Chester Pearson » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:48 pm

:palm: Now all this does is create a committee....

OOC: Author, if you are going to make broad changes, at least redraft, and spoiler the old draft ffs....
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Postby Draica » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:50 pm

Tung facepalms for a moment before taking a deep breath.

"If nations wish to deny other WA nations to their ports, they should be able to. This forces them to accept it. I do not like it, opposed."
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Postby Rotwood » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:52 am

Jericho reads over the proposal
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"Oh you were serious..."
:rofl:
"As a nation surrounded by water, we do not entertain the idea of passing control of our ports over to another authority, WA or not."
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:23 am

I refer you to existing legislation: GA #168, Law of the Seas and also to past attempt of a similar issue.

Read those first, then come back.
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Nucoclan
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Postby Nucoclan » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:51 pm

Yes sir.

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Postby Nucoclan » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:22 am

Can I submit this now?

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Wrapper
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:25 am

1. The ITSC shall allow all member nations access to ports.

2.The ITSC shall allow all member nations to have full control over their own ports. All member nations can deny other member nations access to their ports for any reason.

Ummm... how do these not contradict each other?

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Nucoclan
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Postby Nucoclan » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:29 am

Can I please submit this now?
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Postby Nucoclan » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:36 am

1.The ITSC shall allow all member nations to have full control over their own ports. All member nations can deny other member nations access to their ports for any reason.

this is now how that part reads.

Can I submit this?
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Postby Defwa » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:37 am

Nucoclan wrote:Can I please submit this now?

It doesn't do anything.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:49 am

Nucoclan wrote:Can I please submit this now?

This is nowhere near even being close to being ready to submit. Don't be so damned impatient.
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Postby Port blood » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:53 am

Section I Additional powers and responsibilities of the International Transportation Safety Committee (ITSC).



Was this established in another resolution? if so it falls under the house of cards rules
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Postby Defwa » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:57 am

Port blood wrote:Section I Additional powers and responsibilities of the International Transportation Safety Committee (ITSC).



Was this established in another resolution? if so it falls under the house of cards rules

From the section on House of Cards:
"Proposal must be able to stand on its own even if all referenced Resolutions were struck from existence; however, you may assign duties to an existing committee. Should the Resolution that creates the committee be Repealed, the committee will continue to exist, but in a reduced capacity."
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Chester Pearson
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Postby Chester Pearson » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:30 pm

Nucoclan wrote:Can I please submit this now?


:lol: Sure you can, and one of three things will happen:

1. It will be deleted for being illegal
2. It won't make quorum
3. If it somehow managed to make vote, it would go down as the worst failure in WA history

None of these seem like a positive outcome do they?
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Postby Normlpeople » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:38 pm

Nucoclan wrote:1.The ITSC shall allow all member nations to have full control over their own ports. All member nations can deny other member nations access to their ports for any reason.

this is now how that part reads.

Can I submit this?


"You can submit it anytime you wish Ambassador, rather you should or not is a different question. As this proposal really does nothing at all but continue status quo, it would be pointless to do so."
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:59 pm

Looks illegal for optionality to me, if you can close your ports at will to any one nation's ships.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:05 pm

Nucoclan wrote:1.The ITSC shall allow all member nations to have full control over their own ports. All member nations can deny other member nations access to their ports for any reason.

this is now how that part reads.

Can I submit this?


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Postby Lemmingtopias » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:36 am

As it stands your proposal doesn't appear to actually do anything....
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Nucoclan
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Postby Nucoclan » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:06 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Please don't. Your writing needs improvement in all areas, and your grasp on the subject matter is tenuous at best. I'm sorry, ambassador, but you should seek enrichment and improvement of your skills, and the place for that is not here in the GA. Otherwise, continuous submissions of ill-prepared and illegal bills will end with you ejected."


If I don't get help then I won't improve or anything of the sort.

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Defwa
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Postby Defwa » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:19 am

Nucoclan wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Please don't. Your writing needs improvement in all areas, and your grasp on the subject matter is tenuous at best. I'm sorry, ambassador, but you should seek enrichment and improvement of your skills, and the place for that is not here in the GA. Otherwise, continuous submissions of ill-prepared and illegal bills will end with you ejected."


If I don't get help then I won't improve or anything of the sort.

Well its not like we haven't been trying to help.

You need to know something about a subject before you can try to legislate on it. Try participating in a couple of debates before you try to author something yourself.
And when you're writing or reading, apply everything you read to the most extreme situations possible to make sure that the proposal applies to all potential situations.
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