[DRAFT] Cars Of The People Act.

[Wallenburg]

"Why is this an international issue, Ambassador? What if our people don't want automobiles? What if they prefer to think of the environment and take public transport? What of nations without the technology necessary to make automobiles? What of nations where automobiles are obsolete?"

[Ferret Civilization]

Cars For The People Act
Category: Free Trade|| Strength: Strong (may change to Significant)

MANDATES starting a project destined to design popular cars,

REQUIRES all the cars designed in the project to be licensed to nations that can't design cars themselves,

RECOMMENDS government-level support for the Cars For The People project,

"Like the other ambassadors have said, not everyone uses automobiles. And then with the requirement and mandate, not everyone is a standard size, standardizing automobiles will only work for, probably a majority but not everyone. And while this does increase business for some nations, it will destroy business in other nations that can not mass produce at some other nations levels, taking away their business, from themselves, that should be acknowledged. And what of us that are different from the standardization this resolution is proposing, should we just take stuff we don't need and still pay for it?"

[Wrapper]

...should we just take stuff we don't need and still pay for it?"

OOC: Why not? It's the American Way!

[Bears Armed]

The prices are in NSD

OOC: which would make the proposal illegal for Meta-gaming... You can't require WA members to treat any specific concept from RP, such as that currency, as canonical.

[Tinfect]

KNOWING that the people of many nations don't have enough money to buy cars,

"How is this, in any conceivable fashion, an international issue?"

RECOGNIZING the importance of automotive transport,

"Something that is near-entirely removed in the Imperium, due to the design of our cities, and extensive use of public transit systems."

UNDERSTANDING that the lack of private auto transport decreases personal freedom,

"Yes it does. Why, does this matter? Not allowing the population to go about murdering and pillaging also decreases personal freedom. A system of law, by definition, limits personal freedom. There is no reason to include this clause."

ACKNOWLEDGING that motoring can be a very profitable industry sector and stimulant,

"Perhaps in your Nation, but in the Imperium, such a thing would be of minimal assistance to the economy."

MANDATES starting a project destined to design popular cars,

"Yes, because that is not a massive waste of money and time."

RECOMMENDS designing cars that most people would be able to afford, such as:
- an ultracheap microvan ($1000 - $2500),
- a slightly more luxurious microvan ($2500 - $5500),
- a very cheap MPV ($5500 - $10000),
- a cheap MPV ($10000-$17500),
- an ultracheap van ($2500 - $5500),
- a very cheap van ($5500 - $11000),
- a cheap van ($11000 - $18000)
as a part of the project,

"Er... What? 'Microvan'? I haven't any idea what you are referring to. In any case, please do not provide monetary units. the Imperium does not utilize whatever currency is denominated by... whatever that is."

REQUIRES all the cars designed in the project to be licensed to nations that can't design cars themselves,

"Unacceptable under any circumstance. The Imperium will not be providing random Member, and Non-Member states access to Imperial Technology."

"Ambassador, it is becoming quite clear that you are of a single mind. Automobiles are not nearly so important as you seem to believe, and they are absolutely not worthy of international legislation."

[Petrolheadia]

KNOWING that the people of many nations don't have enough money to buy cars,

"How is this, in any conceivable fashion, an international issue?"

RECOGNIZING the importance of automotive transport,

"Something that is near-entirely removed in the Imperium, due to the design of our cities, and extensive use of public transit systems."

UNDERSTANDING that the lack of private auto transport decreases personal freedom,

"Yes it does. Why, does this matter? Not allowing the population to go about murdering and pillaging also decreases personal freedom. A system of law, by definition, limits personal freedom. There is no reason to include this clause."

ACKNOWLEDGING that motoring can be a very profitable industry sector and stimulant,

"Perhaps in your Nation, but in the Imperium, such a thing would be of minimal assistance to the economy."

MANDATES starting a project destined to design popular cars,

"Yes, because that is not a massive waste of money and time."

RECOMMENDS designing cars that most people would be able to afford, such as:
- an ultracheap microvan ($1000 - $2500),
- a slightly more luxurious microvan ($2500 - $5500),
- a very cheap MPV ($5500 - $10000),
- a cheap MPV ($10000-$17500),
- an ultracheap van ($2500 - $5500),
- a very cheap van ($5500 - $11000),
- a cheap van ($11000 - $18000)
as a part of the project,

"Er... What? 'Microvan'? I haven't any idea what you are referring to. In any case, please do not provide monetary units. the Imperium does not utilize whatever currency is denominated by... whatever that is."

REQUIRES all the cars designed in the project to be licensed to nations that can't design cars themselves,

"Unacceptable under any circumstance. The Imperium will not be providing random Member, and Non-Member states access to Imperial Technology."

"Ambassador, it is becoming quite clear that you are of a single mind. Automobiles are not nearly so important as you seem to believe, and they are absolutely not worthy of international legislation."

A microvan is a crossover between a small MPV and a small van. And it won't be solely an Imperial project, but a comperation. And it's not a massive waste of money and time. You just used these words to describe cars like the VW Beetle, Fiat 500, Honda Super Cub or Tata Nano.

[The Palentinate]

"The Socialist Republic of the Palentinate has a sprawling automotive industry making this resolution a needless headache for us. Cars are tremendously cheap and of good quality. This resolution has the potential to put needless red tape on our industry. I suggest the way to get more support for a resolution regarding making automobiles cheaper would be by introducing a resolution opening up car markets. Expanding free trade seems to be very popular, yes? Of course being a socialist state we would still oppose a resolution expanding so called free trade as it puts power into the hands of big corporations rather than he people."

Do you make cars under $17000? And I feel you would have been one of the people throwing rocks at Hondas in the 80s Detroit. The result of my plan would just be normal competition.

"Succumbing to incoherent witticisms instead of cogent arguments I see. First of all ambassador, have you ever taken a lesson in basic economic principles. What you are aiming to do is going to distort nations' markets. Many people will lose their job and only the biggest of corporations will be able to stay in the market. On top of that what you are essentially doing is creating a price ceiling. The result of the ceiling will be shortages of cars. This will only hurt the very people you are trying to help. I will say this again try opening up nations' markets to competition. I can see that gaining traction."

[Wrapper]

OOC: Okay, I'll give you one last helpful hint. Anytime you are the ONLY person in a thread that thinks something is a good idea... it isn't a good idea.

I'd say "try again" but if all you're going to do is write another "Cars FTW!" proposal, well, perhaps your time would be better spent polishing the exterior of... whatever it is you own in real life.

[Nouvelle o France]

A microvan is a crossover between a small MPV and a small van. And it won't be solely an Imperial project, but a comperation. And it's not a massive waste of money and time. You just used these words to describe cars like the VW Beetle, Fiat 500, Honda Super Cub or Tata Nano.

Any subsidies of non-essential industry IS both a waste of money and time. This is not agriculture, this is not healthcare, this is not education, this is an industry that does not even exist in several of the member states and is nearly non-existent or extremely limited in others. Such Nations have no interest in cooperating on car designing.

[Petrolheadia]

A microvan is a crossover between a small MPV and a small van. And it won't be solely an Imperial project, but a comperation. And it's not a massive waste of money and time. You just used these words to describe cars like the VW Beetle, Fiat 500, Honda Super Cub or Tata Nano.

Any subsidies of non-essential industry IS both a waste of money and time. This is not agriculture, this is not healthcare, this is not education, this is an industry that does not even exist in several of the member states and is nearly non-existent or extremely limited in others. Such Nations have no interest in cooperating on car designing.

1. It isn't essential. Most things aren't.
2. You don't have to participate.

[The Sheika]

1. It isn't essential. Most things aren't.
2. You don't have to participate.

Don't have to participate you say? That means your proposal becomes illegal based on being optional.

[The Two Jerseys]

Any subsidies of non-essential industry IS both a waste of money and time. This is not agriculture, this is not healthcare, this is not education, this is an industry that does not even exist in several of the member states and is nearly non-existent or extremely limited in others. Such Nations have no interest in cooperating on car designing.

1. It isn't essential. Most things aren't.
2. You don't have to participate.

So you're saying that this proposal is optional, and thus illegal, and therefore a total waste of our time.

[Grays Harbor]

OOC: yeah, we get it, you like cars. Enough with the car proposals already, please.

IC: Not an international issue in any way imaginable.

[Separatist Peoples]

"How is this, in any conceivable fashion, an international issue?"



"Something that is near-entirely removed in the Imperium, due to the design of our cities, and extensive use of public transit systems."



"Yes it does. Why, does this matter? Not allowing the population to go about murdering and pillaging also decreases personal freedom. A system of law, by definition, limits personal freedom. There is no reason to include this clause."



"Perhaps in your Nation, but in the Imperium, such a thing would be of minimal assistance to the economy."





"Yes, because that is not a massive waste of money and time."



"Er... What? 'Microvan'? I haven't any idea what you are referring to. In any case, please do not provide monetary units. the Imperium does not utilize whatever currency is denominated by... whatever that is."


"Unacceptable under any circumstance. The Imperium will not be providing random Member, and Non-Member states access to Imperial Technology."

"Ambassador, it is becoming quite clear that you are of a single mind. Automobiles are not nearly so important as you seem to believe, and they are absolutely not worthy of international legislation."

A microvan is a crossover between a small MPV and a small van. And it won't be solely an Imperial project, but a comperation. And it's not a massive waste of money and time. You just used these words to describe cars like the VW Beetle, Fiat 500, Honda Super Cub or Tata Nano.

"So if one has a currency so strong, the average income for the wealthy is 5 units, your cars would be ostentatiously overpriced. That sounds like an accurate description for those cars. As it stands, your currency levels are arbitrary and account not at all for various differences in currency, unless you're trying to tie it to an exchange rate of your own. Which would make this even more illegal."

[Tinfect]

A microvan is a crossover between a small MPV and a small van. And it won't be solely an Imperial project, but a comperation. And it's not a massive waste of money and time. You just used these words to describe cars like the VW Beetle, Fiat 500, Honda Super Cub or Tata Nano.

"The only 'MPV' I know of Is the Arclite Variable Combat Vehicle. Regardless, the Imperium will not be engaging in 'cooperation' that will only aid the economies of other states, and do so at a loss to the Imperium. This, I am sure you can understand. On, another note, however, would you like to explain exactly what a form of Insect, and young animal have to do with vehicles?"

[Imperium Anglorum]

Parsons: (drinking a glass of Sauvignon blanc) I'm entirely sure that as Delegate of Europe, we represent some nation somewhere which has banned cars. Since this resolution would fundamentally challenge their way of life and the environmental regulations thereof, we strongly oppose this proposal. Should it come to vote, we will campaign and vote against it.

[Frisbeeteria]

OOC: Okay, I'll give you one last helpful hint. Anytime you are the ONLY person in a thread that thinks something is a good idea... it isn't a good idea.

This is a really good piece of advice, Petrolheadia. There absolutely ARE illegal aspects to this proposal, so it's not going anywhere as written. That's a simple fact.

It's clear from your similar General thread on this topic that you feel strongly about this issue, but that doesn't make it useful, necessary, or worthy of the WA's time. Perhaps you should take the argument back to General.

[Aranoff]

Jennifer laughs as she finishes reading the proposal.

"Our Automotive Industry would never bother making such cars as cheaply as this, and we would never dream of supporting a resolution that undermines the massive public transport that citizens utilize in our larger cities. The Automotive Brands of Aranoff, a trade group comprised of several industry leaders, vehemently opposes such silly restrictions on safety and cost, and does not think the humble ambassador understands that cars, for several member nations, are obsolete technologies.

"If the author were to write an 'Affordable Transportation Act' of some kind, we would still oppose it, because we could never mandate such a measure that violates market principles."

[Petrolheadia]

Jennifer laughs as she finishes reading the proposal.

"Our Automotive Industry would never bother making such cars as cheaply as this, and we would never dream of supporting a resolution that undermines the massive public transport that citizens utilize in our larger cities. The Automotive Brands of Aranoff, a trade group comprised of several industry leaders, vehemently opposes such silly restrictions on safety and cost, and does not think the humble ambassador understands that cars, for several member nations, are obsolete technologies.

"If the author were to write an 'Affordable Transportation Act' of some kind, we would still oppose it, because we could never mandate such a measure that violates market principles."

If nations don't want to join in this program, they don't have to. I'm just calling for a start of something like this.

[Grays Harbor]

Jennifer laughs as she finishes reading the proposal.

"Our Automotive Industry would never bother making such cars as cheaply as this, and we would never dream of supporting a resolution that undermines the massive public transport that citizens utilize in our larger cities. The Automotive Brands of Aranoff, a trade group comprised of several industry leaders, vehemently opposes such silly restrictions on safety and cost, and does not think the humble ambassador understands that cars, for several member nations, are obsolete technologies.

"If the author were to write an 'Affordable Transportation Act' of some kind, we would still oppose it, because we could never mandate such a measure that violates market principles."

If nations don't want to join in this program, they don't have to. I'm just calling for a start of something like this.

From the Rules & Guidelines:

Optionality

GA Proposals are not optional. Don't try to make one that is. Many 'Mild' Proposals will have phrases such as "RECOMMENDS" or "URGES", which is just fine. The optionality ban refers to language such as "Nations can ignore this Resolution if they want," which is right out.

[Petrolheadia]

If nations don't want to join in this program, they don't have to. I'm just calling for a start of something like this.

From the Rules & Guidelines:

Optionality

GA Proposals are not optional. Don't try to make one that is. Many 'Mild' Proposals will have phrases such as "RECOMMENDS" or "URGES", which is just fine. The optionality ban refers to language such as "Nations can ignore this Resolution if they want," which is right out.

You say some nations don't use cars, I take care of that problem. Now you say it's bad I let nations not involve into that project, you say it's illegal. I'm sure somewhere out there there is a nation which doesn't use patents. Does it mean that the patent resolution we're voting on is illegal? It kinda reminds me of the Orwell's essay on fascism: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/39403-t ... cept-in-so

[Caracasus]

From the Rules & Guidelines:

Optionality

GA Proposals are not optional. Don't try to make one that is. Many 'Mild' Proposals will have phrases such as "RECOMMENDS" or "URGES", which is just fine. The optionality ban refers to language such as "Nations can ignore this Resolution if they want," which is right out.

You say some nations don't use cars, I take care of that problem. Now you say it's bad I let nations not involve into that project, you say it's illegal. I'm sure somewhere out there there is a nation which doesn't use patents. Does it mean that the patent resolution we're voting on is illegal? It kinda reminds me of the Orwell's essay on fascism: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/39403-t ... cept-in-so

No ambassador, the current proposal on patents is not illegal as it enforces patent law. One of the reasons we are helping to draft a repeal.

[Normlpeople]

Clover shook her head "In no way is this an international issue. I can see you are passionate about the automobile industry, however, there is no way automotive pricing is a topic worthy of international legislation."


OOC: Its really not an international issue....

[Petrolheadia]

Clover shook her head "In no way is this an international issue. I can see you are passionate about the automobile industry, however, there is no way automotive pricing is a topic worthy of international legislation."


OOC: Its really not an international issue....

I just mean that we should make cars affordable for everyone.

[Barapam]

"This is not a matter for the international community, but up to each state and/or the free enterprise to decide. And what about small remote kingdoms where there are no roads, why should they be forced to make cars they don't need, for people who don't need it, for money that would be better spent somewhere else? And what about all the countries where bikes are the most common mean of transportation, or nations where all vehicles are banned except for skateboards? This proposal is not only a stupid idea, the stupidest I've seen during my brief time as ambassador I might add, but it's also a clear violation of the sovereignity of every nation in the multiverse. Thank you."