Ovybia wrote:I'm not flaming. I'm saying that if there is no God then there is no consequences for what we do. Therefore there is no morality. That is a fact. You keep saying I'm somehow being unfair when I say this. It's totally true. What does morality even mean without God. Everyone can make up their own morality because there is no consequences for what we do in this world.
For some reason, you keep bringing religion back into this debate. If you continue to feel that you should bring up this subject please present an argument against my proof of the existence of God. If you can't destroy my argument on God's proof, then you have no right to call me superstitious or anything like that.
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I'm going to assume this was Out of Character due to your mention of Flaming.
Moving on, your argument for morality is something we have heard a thousand different times, and it is no more reasonable than the first hundred times. Repeating the same bullshit over and over again does not make it any more true. Quite honestly, if you want to debate from a point of false moral superiority, go somewhere else. We are not going to do this here, and we don't want to hear any shit about how true your particular mythology is.
However, for the record, when it comes to consequences, what you've done in life is the only thing that matters in the end. If you were a mass-murderer, that's how you'll be remembered. If you were the sort of person who strove to make the world a better place, you may very well have done just that, and that's how you'll be remembered. There is not, and does not have to be, any form of divine afterlife or judgment, and, quite frankly, the only thing that is qualified to judge Humanity, is Humanity.
Second, you brought Religion up in the first place. If you could come up with an argument that does not hinge on everyone accepting the supposed legitimacy of Christianity, we'd be past the topic of religion, and you might have actually had an argument to begin with.
Ovybia wrote:Something totally unrelated to this subject (This is just a note. Don't take it as an argument that I'm making.): I'm also shocked at how atheistic NationStates is. This kind of discussion on religion being superstitious would be laughed out of any government in the United States, for example.
Are you trying to use the United States as an example of a Government doing things properly? Because when a ostensibly Secular Government laughs out any argument that does not consider ancient Mythology worth listening to, it is just pathetic.
