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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Mon May 18, 2015 9:52 am

Perotasoa wrote:
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:That's a question for Technical - and probably a non-starter, anyway. Players have made numerous suggestions to give Feeder delegates more power, and admins have expressed little interest in implementing any of them. If you have a problem with a proposal that violates the rules, report it to the mods. Otherwise, delegates themselves will vote on whether the proposal is worthy of the WA's time.


Do WA Delegates of larger and more influential regions get more of a say? I feel that this is how it should work, as some WA Delegates are of small regions where one endorses another.

Why? Delegates of large regions are almost uniformly totally uninterested in and barely knowledgeable about the WA. Giving them even more power over the people who actually enjoy playing this aspect of the game is totally unwarranted. A better suggestion would be to abolish the delegate voting process entirely.

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Postby Perotasoa » Mon May 18, 2015 9:58 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:
Perotasoa wrote:
Do WA Delegates of larger and more influential regions get more of a say? I feel that this is how it should work, as some WA Delegates are of small regions where one endorses another.

Why? Delegates of large regions are almost uniformly totally uninterested in and barely knowledgeable about the WA. Giving them even more power over the people who actually enjoy playing this aspect of the game is totally unwarranted. A better suggestion would be to abolish the delegate voting process entirely.


That's a good point. But then, what are WA Delegates for? People should think first before endorsing them as Delegate.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Mon May 18, 2015 10:00 am

Perotasoa wrote:But then, what are WA Delegates for?

Absolutely nothing.

Anyway, I do agree with OMGTKK that the Technical forum is the better place to propose changes of this nature: there's nothing the GA mods could do about such things even if they wanted to.

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Postby New Werpland » Sun May 24, 2015 9:23 am

I come here to announce my resignation from the World Assembly. I shall no longer be in a coalition with indecency, good riddance!
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Sun May 24, 2015 12:39 pm

New Werpland wrote:I come here to announce my resignation from the World Assembly. I shall no longer be in a coalition with indecency, good riddance!


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Postby Christian Democrats » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:16 am

Can a moderator give some guidance on what the ambiguous resolution Recognising Achievements Act means?

I don't want to submit and campaign for a repeal proposal just to see it removed if the moderators adhere to the revisionist interpretation that RAA actually permits governments to discriminate against individuals based on the nations where they were educated, as some players have argued, in spite of the text and statements made in the original debate.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:59 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I don't want to submit and campaign for a repeal proposal just to see it removed

Post a draft.

He did.

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Postby Swatar » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:28 pm

Is this the right place to ask an opinion about a repeal I wrote?
It is the first one and I tried to adhere to the rules. Can I post the draft here?
Or will you please point me to the right direction?

Thank you

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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:31 pm

Swatar wrote:Is this the right place to ask an opinion about a repeal I wrote?
It is the first one and I tried to adhere to the rules. Can I post the draft here?
Or will you please point me to the right direction?

Thank you

I recommend that you open a new topic, where regular players and moderators alike can offer their comments.
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Swatar » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:35 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:I recommend that you open a new topic, where regular players and moderators alike can offer their comments.


Thank you. I worked on a repeal for the Indigenous Rights resolution, I see that a repeal is pending approval at the moment, can I still post a new one as I propose to repeal the resolution for different reasons?

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Postby Vancouvia » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:38 pm

Swatar wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I recommend that you open a new topic, where regular players and moderators alike can offer their comments.


Thank you. I worked on a repeal for the Indigenous Rights resolution, I see that a repeal is pending approval at the moment, can I still post a new one as I propose to repeal the resolution for different reasons?


Yes, absolutely, there is no limit on the number of repeals that can be proposed for a specific resolution.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:25 pm

Vancouvia wrote:Yes, absolutely, there is no limit on the number of appeals repeals that can be proposed for a specific resolution.

Fixed. And there is a limit. It's "zero once a Repeal is voted in".

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Postby Vancouvia » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:27 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1433498020

Is it okay to submit replacement proposals to the floor before they have been repealed?

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:31 pm

Vancouvia wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=state_of_blackmore_1433498020

Is it okay to submit replacement proposals to the floor before they have been repealed?


Should be illegal for duplication or contradiction. It is not likely to reach queue anyway.
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Postby Vancouvia » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:45 pm

Seems weird that it's been up for over a day and got passed over when they cleared the proposals. Could a mod comment on the policy for posting replacements before a repeal has passed?

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Postby Knootoss » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:57 pm

A moderator should probably comment on the official policy, but I recall doing something similar in the long-distant past, and it was okay then. Basically it was fine because the repeal in question was bound to pass in a massive landslide. That seems to be the case here too.

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:58 pm

Vancouvia wrote:Seems weird that it's been up for over a day and got passed over when they cleared the proposals. Could a mod comment on the policy for posting replacements before a repeal has passed?


Technically a resolution is still law until the repeal lawfully passes. Any such replacement before that happens is technically illegal if it duplicates or contradicts the legal resolution still on the books. My guess would be they are simply leaving it up to see what happens. It is in no way going to threaten quorum, but yes I agree it should have been taken down, and the author informed accordingly.

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This clause even with it's error, make the whole schmozfest illegal as an ideological ban.
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Postby Knootoss » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:00 pm

JPT: You could counter that by saying that the new proposal couldn't possibly become law before the repeal vote ends, so contradiction is impossible. The only risk here is that the repeal could fail when the new proposal is at quorum AND next in line for a vote, at which point contradiction becomes possible IF the new resolution is then approved as well.

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Postby Vancouvia » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:01 pm

Knootoss wrote:JPT: You could counter that by saying that the new proposal couldn't possibly become law before the repeal vote ends, so contradiction is impossible. The only risk here is that the repeal could fail when the new proposal is at quorum AND next in line for a vote, at which point contradiction becomes possible IF the new resolution is then approved as well.


That's a very interesting line of reasoning, which I could see being the case here.

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:02 pm

Knootoss wrote:JPT: You could counter that by saying that the new proposal couldn't possibly become law before the repeal vote ends, so contradiction is impossible. The only risk here is that the repeal could fail when the new proposal is at quorum AND next in line for a vote, at which point contradiction becomes possible IF the new resolution is then approved as well.


That is a legitimate point. Good thing the mods have that discard tool at their disposal or that could be a problem. I myself would like a mod ruling on this as well. If this practice is allowed, it would shave a few days off of my possible replacement.
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Postby Mousebumples » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:10 pm

Knootoss wrote:JPT: You could counter that by saying that the new proposal couldn't possibly become law before the repeal vote ends, so contradiction is impossible. The only risk here is that the repeal could fail when the new proposal is at quorum AND next in line for a vote, at which point contradiction becomes possible IF the new resolution is then approved as well.

Last I heard, it was illegal to submit a replacement (*that duplicates or contradicts the existing legislation) until after the repeal passes. There was discussion on this awhile ago in Tech, but to my knowledge, that's still the ruling.

Work/RL has been crazy for me this week, so I've hardly looked at the proposal queue. I plan to do a check/sweep in the morning, so if you are the author of the duplicating/contradicting legislation, I'd suggest filing a GHR before I get to checking it. And, of course, another GM may beat me to the punch there and delete/warn you accordingly before morning.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:13 pm

Mousebumples wrote:
Knootoss wrote:JPT: You could counter that by saying that the new proposal couldn't possibly become law before the repeal vote ends, so contradiction is impossible. The only risk here is that the repeal could fail when the new proposal is at quorum AND next in line for a vote, at which point contradiction becomes possible IF the new resolution is then approved as well.

Last I heard, it was illegal to submit a replacement (*that duplicates or contradicts the existing legislation) until after the repeal passes. There was discussion on this awhile ago in Tech, but to my knowledge, that's still the ruling.

Work/RL has been crazy for me this week, so I've hardly looked at the proposal queue. I plan to do a check/sweep in the morning, so if you are the author of the duplicating/contradicting legislation, I'd suggest filing a GHR before I get to checking it. And, of course, another GM may beat me to the punch there and delete/warn you accordingly before morning.


Thank you for the quick response Mouse.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:45 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I don't want to submit and campaign for a repeal proposal just to see it removed

Post a draft.

When should I expect a modly opinion?
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Mousebumples » Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:35 pm

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Mousebumples wrote:Last I heard, it was illegal to submit a replacement (*that duplicates or contradicts the existing legislation) until after the repeal passes. There was discussion on this awhile ago in Tech, but to my knowledge, that's still the ruling.

Work/RL has been crazy for me this week, so I've hardly looked at the proposal queue. I plan to do a check/sweep in the morning, so if you are the author of the duplicating/contradicting legislation, I'd suggest filing a GHR before I get to checking it. And, of course, another GM may beat me to the punch there and delete/warn you accordingly before morning.


Thank you for the quick response Mouse.

Just to confirm, the proposal in question has been killed for duplication, as referenced above.
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