General Sports Roleplaying Questions (OOC)

[Neu Engollon]

I want to change my main nation from Ko-oren to a nation I just created; how do I communicate this to everyone so my new nation can use all my old rankings?

Look at Uitbregen, the successor to Cyborg Holland, or Nephara continuing on after New Sideburn. It's been done.

I think as long as it's clear and stated. I think at least one of them puts it in their signature as a reminder. I don't see it being a problem.

Thank you all for responding about the RP bonus. That is helpful.

[The Inevitable Syndicate]

I want to change my main nation from Ko-oren to a nation I just created; how do I communicate this to everyone so my new nation can use all my old rankings?

Look at Uitbregen, the successor to Cyborg Holland, or Nephara continuing on after New Sideburn. It's been done.

I think as long as it's clear and stated. I think at least one of them puts it in their signature as a reminder. I don't see it being a problem.

Thank you all for responding about the RP bonus. That is helpful.

Hell, if you're really feeling frisky, you could do the tried and (un)tested method of "creating another nation, integrating it with your old one then slowly transferring from one nation to the other over several cycles"...

[The Archregimancy]

I want to change my main nation from Ko-oren to a nation I just created; how do I communicate this to everyone so my new nation can use all my old rankings?

So long as the two nations are related IC'ly, and the name change is related to a change of government and/or merger/dissolution of past political entities (or similar situations), then explaining the situation in the sign-up thread should be enough.

What you can't do is just start a new nation with no IC relationship to the old one and then ask for the rankings to be transferred over.

[HopNation]

My stance on it is that there should be a general NS Sports Announcements Thread for major events. I'd propose limiting the thread to non-regional events run by an organized committee. This restriction would allow such a thread to be utilized by all major events, but avoid cluttering it with regional tournaments, minor tournaments, personal tournaments and poorly organized events that purport to be the "World Cup" or the "Olympics." Yes, this would require those of us in the IBC to finally move forward on that Constitution that has been on hold for nearly a year if we want in the Announcement Thread, but that's something that probably needs to happen anyway.

As for the BoF, CoH and BoI, they are basically part of the World Cup and the World Bowl, respectively, so I see no reason why announcements related to those events couldn't go in a general announcements thread.

There's a case for limiting it to WCC and Olympic events, but there's also another logical cutoff point that should be considered.

agree on limiting it to non-regional and the other restrictions, but as for the BoF, CoH, and BoI I disagree. The BoF and BoI would be included in the corresponding WC or WB and thus would not need their own announcement. As for the CoH , which is an invite only event, this would not need an announcement of any kind (Runner Cup as well for that matter). As for hosting requests for any of these, they would be part of the main WC or WB announcement and again not need their own announcement. Which I would think goes for a few other events but since I have not participated in many of them that would be for someone else to comment on.

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This still raises questions though - how do you handle things like the Royal Alexandre Hockey Invitational and World Junior Hockey Championships, which, while relatively minor events, are run by the World Cup of Hockey Federation, which as its name implies also handles the World Cup of Hockey? To my knowledge hockey is the only sport where the same organizing committee that runs the major tournaments runs the minor tournaments as well, so it wouldn't impact the other sports.

I think the same thing applies here for the Alexandre Hockey Invitational as it would the CoH, if I recall it is by invitation and would not need an announcement. But I do feel that the World Junior Hockey Championship would be acceptable to place announcements in such a thread.




There are many other good points, both for and against setting something like this up. It should be open to those events that have a committee or other such governing body and only that governing body is or should be the one placing the announcements. It would also need to be those governing body's main (recurring) events and not just filler events for down time in the sport. Which I'm thinking of our Triathlon Association events here. Though we are small and just starting out we would only include the major events that run on a cycle rather then including the minor monthly events since they are more one-offs to the main thing. (that is if it's open to governing bodies to post based on prior discussions)

I would also envision any post in such a thread to be rather short and to the point. Something like: X event is accepting sign-ups for X edition: {insert link to event/sign-up page}. This would help keep it clean and to the point.

Well, I guess we wait to see what the WCC and the Olympic's have to say on a master Announcement Thread.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

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But many announcements for lesser tournaments are made at the same time as announcements for bigger tournaments. For instance, BoF voting is usually done at the same time as voting for the World Cup proper, and BoI voting at the same time as voting for the World Bowl proper. It really doesn't make sense to post those in two different places. And any WCC member can vote on CoH hosting whether they're invited or not, seeing as invitations don't go out until well after the hosts are selected.

[Liventia]

Speaking with my Olympic Executive Council member's hat on (as well as as a former Olympic Council VP/prez) – I'm actually fairly happy with what we currently have, in terms of Olympic announcements. We have our own thread, but it definitely doesn't need stickying – we use it four times a year (host vote/results for each Games). And I feel the Olympics would be out of place in a catch-all thread.

[Altarian Combine]

Is "Nations Und Panzer" an eligible sport for this forum?

[Nephara]

I'd be strongly inclined to say no. Granted, Quidditch has a tournament here, but at least that's mainstream and able to be scored. That... looks like a cartoon about tank warfare, I guess? Which doesn't really seem like, well, a sport.

[Altarian Combine]

I'd be strongly inclined to say no. Granted, Quidditch has a tournament here, but at least that's mainstream and able to be scored. That... looks like a cartoon about tank warfare, I guess? Which doesn't really seem like, well, a sport.

Sorry, should have provided more info.

I'm thinking something akin to Sensha-dou, though with a couple differences(like gender equality and medium tanks only).

[Nephara]

Still doesn't seem like a sport, in the same way that I wouldn't classify Unreal Tournament one. And how would you go about scoring it?

[Altarian Combine]

Still doesn't seem like a sport, in the same way that I wouldn't classify Unreal Tournament one. And how would you go about scoring it?

First team to eliminate the opponents tanks wins. Each team's score is the number of tank kills they achieved.

[95X]

I'm thinking something akin to Sensha-dou, though with a couple differences(like gender equality and medium tanks only).

An old thread was recently gravedug and subsequently locked. A quick search using the forum search feature indicates it's a Portal to the Multiverse RP.

[Eura]

Being blunt, that is stretching the definition of the word sport to the point where it has little meaning. What next, the Strike Witches World Cup?

[Altarian Combine]

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[Altarian Combine]

Being blunt, that is stretching the definition of the word sport to the point where it has little meaning. What next, the Strike Witches World Cup?

Aren't paintball/airsoft real sports(looking back I see people being okay with a paintball league)? This is pretty much just that with tanks.

[Neu Engollon]

Being blunt, that is stretching the definition of the word sport to the point where it has little meaning. What next, the Strike Witches World Cup?

Aren't paintball/airsoft real sports(looking back I see people being okay with a paintball league)? This is pretty much just that with tanks.

Let's approach it from a different angle here. A key element you are missing that these vet players are trying to tell you, is scoring the event in an impartial manner. Scorinators are programs that use a sort of spread sheet with a built in randomizer. All the events in this sub-forum use scorinators, with few exceptions. Basically, you input a bunch of statistics, numbers and rankings of competitors, and the scorinator program tells you who won out of the match ups. Which of the scorinator programs or one of your own design, would you use for this event? If using one of your own creation (very difficult to create if you're not a programmer and good with numbers), you would need to be very descriptive of how it works and how stats and bonuses are applied.

That is what is holding this back from being a sporting event versus a solely RP'd event, and also proper categorization. P2TM or maybe International Incidents really does sound like the best bet for this if it is not scorinated and based off a video game.

[Free Republics]

While we're on the subject of what is and is not a sport, I'd like to ask for opinions regarding whether professional wrestling (with wrestlers from NS nations) would be appropriate for NS Sports or whether it'd fit in better in the NationStates sub-forum. I intend to move forward with an international pro wrestling federation after the end of my current RP arc with this nation, assuming sufficient interest, and would look to "scorinate" it in a realistic manner (in other words, a booker, elected every few months in a manner similar to the election of hosts, would make matches and pick the winners and losers). I certainly wouldn't recommend that method for any sport that is supposed to be competitive rather than pre-determined, of course.

On the topic of scorinators, if you want a scorinator to just pick winners and losers without an actual score, you can use the match race option for sailing in xkoranate. If you want to rank a number of competitors without a score, the fleet race option for sailing ranks the competitors in terms of finishing order. Those are options for sports where a score isn't exactly easy to come by.

[Eastfield Lodge]

While we're on the subject of what is and is not a sport, I'd like to ask for opinions regarding whether professional wrestling (with wrestlers from NS nations) would be appropriate for NS Sports or whether it'd fit in better in the NationStates sub-forum. I intend to move forward with an international pro wrestling federation after the end of my current RP arc with this nation, assuming sufficient interest, and would look to "scorinate" it in a realistic manner (in other words, a booker, elected every few months in a manner similar to the election of hosts, would make matches and pick the winners and losers). I certainly wouldn't recommend that method for any sport that is supposed to be competitive rather than pre-determined, of course.

I have a feeling the NationStates sub-forum wouldn't entirely agree with it. But then again, for more coherent storylines, you'd need that sort of dedicated planning thread, which isn't really done here. The 'scoring' system shouldn't be a problem. All-in-all, I think it'd fit better here than in NationStates.

[Zhenherribae]

While we're on the subject of what is and is not a sport, I'd like to ask for opinions regarding whether professional wrestling (with wrestlers from NS nations) would be appropriate for NS Sports or whether it'd fit in better in the NationStates sub-forum. I intend to move forward with an international pro wrestling federation after the end of my current RP arc with this nation, assuming sufficient interest, and would look to "scorinate" it in a realistic manner (in other words, a booker, elected every few months in a manner similar to the election of hosts, would make matches and pick the winners and losers). I certainly wouldn't recommend that method for any sport that is supposed to be competitive rather than pre-determined, of course.

I think that pro wrestling would fit better here than in another NS forum, notwithstanding the difference in "scoring". The proposed method sounds fun and true to its sport. Depending on the frequency of cards, you might want to change out bookers quarterly or even more often. Suggestion: Give one vote for the next booker to each "member nation" plus one or more extra votes for each card to which that nation contributed one or more RPs. That will give regular contributors a little more influence over series direction.

[The Babbage Islands]

Thank you all for responding about the RP bonus. That is helpful.

Sorry for coming late to the discussion. Perhaps I can offer another useful perspective.

I tend to use four tiers for RP grading. If X is the bonus given for an ordinary RP, I'll have a level of X/2 (or X/3) for significantly flawed or minimal RPs (permissions issues, no real content, clear knock-offs, etc.), a 2X level for fine RPs, and a 3X level for the occasional stroke of genius. Most of us can quickly discern between the normal, the identifiably poor, the pretty good, and the jaw-dropper without a huge checklist. The main trick then becomes picking the right value of X, and that depends on the number of rounds, the size and spread of ranks, and your experience with the scorinator.

My earliest mentor, Newmanistan, advised me to give a careful second look to RPs that in no way reference the ongoing events of the competition, pointing out that such can be "canned" for use at other times or cribbed from outside sources rather than generated through and for the event where posted.

It is quite possible to push my tl;dr button. I'll slog through, because that's the duty I signed on for, but very long RPs need to be pretty good to warrant high marks. Length <> quality. Also, short RPs do not automatically get docked solely for being short. A quick trip through the old Brevity Challenge Cup threads, for example, shows many examples of skillful writing in 50 words or less.

Match reports can be anything from trash to terrific. In some sports, like Test cricket, detailed rehearsals of scores and stats are to be expected in many cases. Know your culture.

In most of my later events I have treated rosters as the equivalent of a MD0 roleplay, using the same scale. The roster is the single most important roleplay in a big tournament, as it provides other players with a key resource and more opportunities to shine. So I tend to be generous when scoring informative rosters.

Finally, the players who score best over many events where I host develop characters that I can learn to care about as a reader. This doesn't require elaborate storylines at all. A player's record from a series of match reports can turn into someone who stands out from the crowd with very little extra writing. Interaction with other players and their characters ties both players more firmly into our shared world, but a creative blogger (for example) can make similar connections with no direct interaction.

[Starblaydia]

While we're on the subject of what is and is not a sport, I'd like to ask for opinions regarding whether professional wrestling (with wrestlers from NS nations) would be appropriate for NS Sports or whether it'd fit in better in the NationStates sub-forum. I intend to move forward with an international pro wrestling federation after the end of my current RP arc with this nation, assuming sufficient interest, and would look to "scorinate" it in a realistic manner (in other words, a booker, elected every few months in a manner similar to the election of hosts, would make matches and pick the winners and losers). I certainly wouldn't recommend that method for any sport that is supposed to be competitive rather than pre-determined, of course.

I think that pro wrestling would fit better here than in another NS forum, notwithstanding the difference in "scoring". The proposed method sounds fun and true to its sport. Depending on the frequency of cards, you might want to change out bookers quarterly or even more often. Suggestion: Give one vote for the next booker to each "member nation" plus one or more extra votes for each card to which that nation contributed one or more RPs. That will give regular contributors a little more influence over series direction.

That'd be an ever-changing GM hot seat, I'd imagine, but actually a pretty good idea - sharing the wealth and all that.

You'd expect Pro Wrestling to find a natural home on NS Sports, but the scorination (or lack thereof, following RL) is the tricky part which you've solved by having the position of booker. The only issue is then people RPing around that, but that's the same with every sports competition, only with a twist: the booker writes the show, then everyone else goes and writes what the booker has already written.

So just be careful that the way the results are posted leaves room for people to RP within them - "X def. Y" rather than "X def Y with Boring Superkick after 18 seconds".

[The Archregimancy]

With my mod hat on, I see no problem with including professional wrestling in Sports.

As far as results are concerned, I'd gently point out that that generating NS Sports results via a scorinator is a convention rather than a requirement.

It's not something I'd ever recommend to a newbie, but were a suitably experienced and established member of this forum to explore different means of generating results for an event that didn't easily fit the normal scorination convention, there would be no reason not to try doing so.

[Ceni]

My earliest mentor, Newmanistan, advised me to give a careful second look to RPs that in no way reference the ongoing events of the competition, pointing out that such can be "canned" for use at other times or cribbed from outside sources rather than generated through and for the event where posted.

IMO, RP's don't have to do with the tournament at all. Although they may be "canned", as you say, sometimes that doesn't impact the quality (i.e. if I wrote something in my free time knowing that I would use it to RP but I knew I wouldn't have time during the actual event)

[Bears Armed]

As for the BoF, CoH and BoI, they are basically part of the World Cup and the World Bowl, respectively, so I see no reason why announcements related to those events couldn't go in a general announcements thread.

There's a case for limiting it to WCC and Olympic events, but there's also another logical cutoff point that should be considered.

What about the DBC?

[The Jeckish Union]

As for the BoF, CoH and BoI, they are basically part of the World Cup and the World Bowl, respectively, so I see no reason why announcements related to those events couldn't go in a general announcements thread.

There's a case for limiting it to WCC and Olympic events, but there's also another logical cutoff point that should be considered.

What about the DBC?

Given that the host is pre-determined for that, what announcements actually need to be made?