The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Vilita]

I think there are two bids in the works

[Red Blackiland]

Indeed,a hot dispute in the bids we will have

[Polar Islandstates]

Sign-ups won't open for a wee while yet though, given the regional tournaments haven't even started yet.

Edit:
I'm talking about this time next week, btw. I know we used to have sign-ups open before the world cup final but that kind of pace felt overly frenetic, imo.

[San Jose Guayabal]

I think there are two bids in the works

There's rumors of even three bids. Nah, I won't bid but yeah, there's rumor of three.

[Free Republics]

The Rumors were Correct! We have a Bid!

[Yttribia]

What a maneuver! Look at that bid!

[Polar Islandstates]

Oh right.
Well.

In that case I'll get the sign-ups thread open sooner rather than later.

[Chiata]

Well that was... fast...

[Super-Llamaland]

You do not realize how tempted I am to link everyone to google with the text "Look guys! Another one just came in!"

[San Jose Guayabal]

You do not realize how tempted I am to link everyone to google with the text "Look guys! Another one just came in!"

There's a lot of bids this time, good luck to all. Seriously, good luck.

[Valanora]

Here comes another contender.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

In light of the Valanora/Sarian bid proposing multiple matchdays per calendar day, I would like to counter with the following constitutional amendment. Based on my understanding, if we were to vote on it concurrent with the host voting, and it were to pass, it would take effect immediately and prevent Valanora and Sarian from implementing that regardless of what their bid said. The rationale, to quote from the bid thread, is as follows:

This bid looks good for the most part, but I really don't like the idea of two games per matchday. It makes it too rushed and forces us to RP too much in too little time. And you're basically saying, between what you've said here and what you've said on IRC, if we have more than 160 signups, which we have exceeded every tournament I've been here for, you're going with two games per matchday. If that's the case, I can't support this bid under any circumstances. It would just be too rushed. It's a shame, because the rest of the bid was better than the other two. It's a shame I can't go piecemeal and vote for everything from your bid but that.

When the IBS and WBC went with three games per matchday to reduce randomness, I found myself RPing less, even though the tournament was actually the same length, since there was too much to RP and I was overwhelmed. This is a similar but different scenario, where the tournament is shorter but is the same number of games, but it's the same principle. And unlike in those tournaments, there's no good reason to do it here. I see nothing significant to be gained. If anything, burnout is more likely since people will be more overwhelmed with what they feel the need to RP.

Amendment 1:
This amendment would amend section 2.3.2 of the Constitution to include the following

v) During the qualifying stages for the World Cup, no more than one matchday may be scorinated per calendar day.

Amendment 2:
For consistency, I would also propose to amend section 2.3.2 of the Constitution to include the following. In the event this were to pass, but Amendment 1 were to fail, it would obviously be renumbered accordingly. This basically standardizes the existing practice during the World Cup proper of having matches every other day.

vi) During the World Cup proper, no more than one matchday may be scorinated every two calendar days, except that the third place match and final may be scorinated on consecutive days.

Amendment 3:

This would be the same as Amendment 2, only for the Cup of Harmony. It would amend section 2.4.2 to include the following.

iv) No more than one matchday may be scorinated every two calendar days, except that the third place match and final may be scorinated on consecutive days.

To clarify, these are three separate amendments and should be considered separately.

[San Jose Guayabal]

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My opinion:

Amendment 1: Sincerely, I don't see a major issue with this, even this helps to avoid burnout in some players, also like a 45-50% of users doesn't RP's match reports every time, they usually mix histories and some game details in one or two paragraphs. Doing two MD's per day even makes easier to handle a good time frame during WC, also restricting hosts to pick their own time frame according to their RL occupations isn't a good thing.

Amendment 2: Well, on WC Finals, that's a tradition and I think is like an unwritten rule among the community and former (even prospective) hosts of WC Finals, sincerely it'd be good to apply this, in my opinion and make this unwritten rule into a "written" rule.

Amendment 3: I completely disagree with this proposal with CoH, because you are imposing limits of time in hosting this when you don't know the RL timing situation of both hosts, Again, I think that this should remain as normal, give the hosts the choice to pick his timing, they know perfectly their own timing.

That were my two cents.

[Nephara]

I really don't like multiple matchdays scored at once. But actively amending against it is a little extreme.

I especially disagree with the third amendment - given that tournaments have had a matchday every day within recent memory, and been perfectly successful.

[Mangolana]

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Wholeheartedly disagree with these amendments. Their should be more creative freedom between bids not less. If a bid wants to do multiple matches on the same day while another bids with the standard format, then let the voters decide.

With that being said, go Free Republics and Royal Kingdom of Québec, love the two tier

[Vilita]

I could see amending "Thou shall not scorinate more than 1 matchday of scores per day" into the constitution if it was widely believed that it should be done.

But i don't support amending it. I, like Mangolana, like the hosts to have the freedom to put their bids forward and us, as a populous, to tear them apart and shoot them down if they propose something Saintlandish that nobody likes

[Jeckland]

If you don't like it, vote for another bid. No need to amend the constitution.

[Starblaydia]

Amendment 1:
This amendment would amend section 2.3.2 of the Constitution to include the following

v) During the qualifying stages for the World Cup, no more than one matchday may be scorinated per calendar day.

No need for that, as if people don't want to have it, they won't vote for it.

Amendment 2:
For consistency, I would also propose to amend section 2.3.2 of the Constitution to include the following. In the event this were to pass, but Amendment 1 were to fail, it would obviously be renumbered accordingly. This basically standardizes the existing practice during the World Cup proper of having matches every other day.

vi) During the World Cup proper, no more than one matchday may be scorinated every two calendar days, except that the third place match and final may be scorinated on consecutive days.

Again, no need. I think most, if not all, WC hosts realise that an MD-per-day is a little too frenetic for the headline event of the entire forum.

Amendment 3:

This would be the same as Amendment 2, only for the Cup of Harmony. It would amend section 2.4.2 to include the following.

iv) No more than one matchday may be scorinated every two calendar days, except that the third place match and final may be scorinated on consecutive days.

As above. No need to limit this.

Be careful that we're not trying to apply laws to the way most aspects of the World Cup should be run, other than the actual Finals themselves which should/must mirror the real World Cup. I defend FFR/Queb's right to propose a Qualifying stage like they have, for instance, even if I near-totally disagree with it and vastly prefer the usual method.

[Jeckland]

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire.

This is how I, and by the looks of it other users, view this. I might think that the 2MD scorination is absolute rubbish, but if ESF and Sarian want to propose it, then they should be allowed to do that. Heck, if you wanted to propose a WC decided entirely by drawing lots, I would defend your right to propose it, whilst massively disagreeing with it and questioning how on earth you thought it was a good idea.

Codifying how the World Cup should be run is a terrible idea. Just because some people (in this case, just you that's made yourself known) think that single MDs are the only viable option, others will disagree. Adding it to the constitution is essentially force-feeding your point of view to everyone. Furthermore, if we codify everything, then when things change we'd have to make amendments and stuff. Imagine how much harder it would have been to push through the four person WC bid, which was actually beneficial for all concerned. The voting mechanism works fine in terms of getting rid of bad ideas in bids. There's no need to change that.

[Farfadillis]

I personally think amending the constitution would be the equivalent of constitutionally banning the Casaran system. If people don't want it, they won't have it.

Besides, two matchdays per day is an idea that has quite a lot of merits to it. I'd rather have double scorination in a large group than a month-long RPing marathon. I'll disagree with Greg on this one. When it comes to large groups, double scorination would probably be better to avoid RP burnouts, as having twice the things you can RP means more ideas. Plus I don't think anyone here is a fan of longass qualifying stages.

[Timbermunich]

If you don't like it, vote for another bid. No need to amend the constitution.

What Jeck said .


that's a huge period by the way

[Semarland]

By the looks of it, my laptop seems to be broken, so I've got no idea when I can be fully active again. I could possibly fix it, but I do not know if that's possible. Apologies if I have caused any inconvenience, I will attempt to RP (hopefully) on another computer. Thanks

[Jeckland]

I'm looking to bid for the BoF as a junior partner, preferably with someone with WCC experience. If you're interested, please TG me.

[Polar Islandstates]

I could see amending "Thou shall not scorinate more than 1 matchday of scores per day" into the constitution if it was widely believed that it should be done.

But i don't support amending it. I, like Mangolana, like the hosts to have the freedom to put their bids forward and us, as a populous, to tear them apart and shoot them down if they propose something Saintlandish that nobody likes

Meow.

[Free Republics]

I could see amending "Thou shall not scorinate more than 1 matchday of scores per day" into the constitution if it was widely believed that it should be done.

But i don't support amending it. I, like Mangolana, like the hosts to have the freedom to put their bids forward and us, as a populous, to tear them apart and shoot them down if they propose something Saintlandish that nobody likes

Meow.

Well, we did announce a major change to our Qualifying format...