The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[San Jose Guayabal]

Givne that Schia has now CTEd, and failed to update the ranks pre WC/CoH, might it be time to look for a new rankings person?

R.I.P Schia. :c

Now, who will help me with BoF 56 Class?

*cries at Schia*

[Semarland]

R.I.P Schia. :c

Now, who will help me with BoF 56 Class?

*cries at Schia*

Guess it'll have to be me then...

[Estenia]

R.I.P Schia. :c

Now, who will help me with BoF 56 Class?

*cries at Schia*

I will do it 2 of my friends were on that.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Givne that Schia has now CTEd, and failed to update the ranks pre WC/CoH, might it be time to look for a new rankings person?

EQS updated the ranks for this tournament in the absence of Schia. If he's up to doing it permanently, I nominate him.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Now, who will help me with BoF 56 Class?

*cries at Schia*

I will do it 2 of my friends were on that.

Actual RL friends?

[Jeckland]

HopNation, what are you giving to Margaret and can I have some?

[Starblaydia]

Note to the world for those who might miss it, the signups for the 33rd Di Bradini Cup are now open - come and get your Under-21 style on and all that.

I will do it 2 of my friends were on that.

Actual RL friends?

Uncalled for.

[Blouman Empire]

It seems every time I play in the CoH, I get through to the Ro16 scoring fewer and fewer goals.

As one of my coaches used to say you don't win by scoring a lot of goals, you win by scoring one more than the other team.

[Polar Islandstates]

HopNation, what are you giving to Margaret and can I have some?

And have you nearly run out of it? Asking for a friend.

[HopNation]

HopNation, what are you giving to Margaret and can I have some?

And have you nearly run out of it? Asking for a friend.

to both:

Well you see The Holy Empire's claim that their coach was dating the splendid lass was just a ruse, for it was our entire team that is in cahoots with her.

[Chiata]

Did the CoH cutoff change? "while Mizuyuki's cutoff window will change to 10:00-11:00 UTC (05:00-06:00 EST)"

[Mizuyuki]

Did the CoH cutoff change? "while Mizuyuki's cutoff window will change to 10:00-11:00 UTC (05:00-06:00 EST)"

Damn, it seems that I've forgotten to update the OP with the changed schedule. Sorry about that - and please hold on for a bit while I consult with my cohost as to a suitable solution.

EDIT - Okay, we're making a judgement call here - since I've employed the same cutoff window for the round of 16, the results for the quarterfinals will stand as it is. The OP of the CoH everything thread will shortly be updated to reflect this.

[Chiata]

Um ok...

I was just unaware of the cutoff change and was planning on getting on RP in before I went to bed. I get home and the cutoff has already been posted...

EDIT: Also, when did you say the cutoff would be changed?

[San Jose Guayabal]

Well, based on a rather interesting IRC conversation, I think it'd be good to change something on the Constitution, so this is a proposal for a Constitutional amendment for.

4.2 Definitition of: "The (E)WCC may vote..."
i) When a vote to select a Hosting bid is initiated by the President, a majority of those voting shall be required to decide the outcome. Users that have submitted a hosting bid are not permitted to participate in voting for the event they have placed a bid for. Voters are instructed to cast a single ballot listing their hosting preference, along with the order in which the other options, including the option to re-open bids, should be considered. If no option receives a majority of the first preference votes cast, the bid with the fewest number of votes shall be eliminated, and the ballots cast in that direction re-counted using their next preference. The mechanics of the vote shall follow the mechanics laid out by article 1.5 (Elections), with a focus on clauses i,ii,iii,iv, and vi, with the exception that the option to re-open the process for new bids may not be eliminated by any result but another option receiving a full majority.

My proposal is the following (Bold: Added words)

4.2 Definitition of: "The (E)WCC may vote..."
i) When a vote to select a Hosting bid is initiated by the President, a majority of those voting shall be required to decide the outcome. Users that have submitted a hosting bid are not permitted to participate in voting for the event they have placed a bid for. Any nation that has previosly hosted a WCC Sanctioned event despite not having participated on the last WC can have the right to host, based on the user previous experience, except for those who are returning and bids without having previous experience on hosting WCC Sanctioned events . Voters are instructed to cast a single ballot listing their hosting preference, along with the order in which the other options, including the option to re-open bids, should be considered. If no option receives a majority of the first preference votes cast, the bid with the fewest number of votes shall be eliminated, and the ballots cast in that direction re-counted using their next preference. The mechanics of the vote shall follow the mechanics laid out by article 1.5 (Elections), with a focus on clauses i,ii,iii,iv, and vi, with the exception that the option to re-open the process for new bids may not be eliminated by any result but another option receiving a full majority.

Now, I leave this to the public debate.

[Vilita]

I was just unaware of the cutoff change and was planning on getting on RP in before I went to bed. I get home and the cutoff has already been posted...

It's a bit of a sticky situation. However, there actually was no "Cutoff Change" - Mizuyuki and Felix have both cutoff at the same time on every matchday of the competition thus far, and each cutoff has been 48 hours from the previous allowing 2 full days for RP.

While its true that there was a statement in the thread suggesting that the Mizuyuki cutoff time was going to transition to a later time, it was implied that would happen beginning with the scorinations on Sunday night, not the ones for tonight. So if there was going to be an 'issue' with keeping the original cutoff time vs. the adoption of the previously-advertised later cutoff time; it likely should have been brought to the hosts attention after the scorinations on Monday. Many hosts don't necessarily "Advertise" a cutoff time, especially in competitions where the participants have more than 24 hours to get their RPs in.

I think Cutoff times are much more important when you've got scorinations taking place daily and you need to ensure 24 hours time to allow all timezones equal chance to get through their day and get their RP posted.

Anyway, yea, sticky situation, but they have maintained a consistent cutoff time throughout the whole tournament, and already set the precedent of not using the "later" cutoff time with Mondays scores, at which point it would have been ideal for the hosts to have updated the OP, but they simply seem to have been unaware that the statement about scoring times lingered.

[Free Republics]

Unfortunately, I cannot support SJG's proposal since it amends the wrong section and would make Section 4.2 contradict the current wording of Section 2.1, but...

The idea behind SJG's proposal is to allow past World Cup hosts to bid for the World Cup, even if they didn't compete in the previous edition (for which there seemed to be consensus support on IRC tonight), so I'll propose an amendment to Section 2.1 of the Constitution (changes in bold) in order to permit this:

i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup, and participated in its most recently completed edition, may bid to host the World Cup, except if the user has co-hosted the previous World Cup. However, nations that have previously (co-)hosted a World Cup may bid to co-host the World Cup even if they did not participate in the most recently completed edition of the World Cup.

[Equestrian States]

Givne that Schia has now CTEd, and failed to update the ranks pre WC/CoH, might it be time to look for a new rankings person?

EQS updated the ranks for this tournament in the absence of Schia. If he's up to doing it permanently, I nominate him.

I'd be willing to do it, sure.

Also, participants should note that the 3PPO will be scorinated tomorrow by SJG, while the Final will be the following day and will be scorinated by myself.

[Darmen]

Ah, that first time champion smell...

Good luck to Felix and Osarius.

[Osarius]

Sooo, I think four dudes on horseback just rode past my office window while I was looking at the semi-final results

[Apox]

Ah, that first time champion smell...

Good luck to Felix and Osarius.

Probs about time Esportiva got a WC Final win... Sorry, Osarius

[Polar Islandstates]

Sooo, I think four dudes on horseback just rode past my office window while I was looking at the semi-final results

I sensed a great disturbance in the force...

[San Jose Guayabal]

Unfortunately, I cannot support SJG's proposal since it amends the wrong section and would make Section 4.2 contradict the current wording of Section 2.1, but...

The idea behind SJG's proposal is to allow past World Cup hosts to bid for the World Cup, even if they didn't compete in the previous edition (for which there seemed to be consensus support on IRC tonight), so I'll propose an amendment to Section 2.1 of the Constitution (changes in bold) in order to permit this:

i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup, and participated in its most recently completed edition, may bid to host the World Cup, except if the user has co-hosted the previous World Cup. However, nations that have previously (co-)hosted a World Cup may bid to co-host the World Cup even if they did not participate in the most recently completed edition of the World Cup.

Whoops, bad place but hey, thanks for improving it!

I also support this (obviously) considering that nations like Commerce Heights (as an example) who has hosted 5 World Cups previously hosted and wants to do a comeback from the "WC-Retirement" and wants to host it again, why we would reject a bid from a user who is more than capable to host it just for the fact of not taking part previously. It has not a point, because the user on the example has the will and the experience to host this, so why reject it?

[New North Aqmuland]

Does someone have a link to the mid-70 ranks?

[San Jose Guayabal]

Does someone have a link to the mid-70 ranks?

¡Si Señor! the rankings

[The Sarian]

Just a couple of fun things I've noticed, of the final four, there is one each from Rushmore, Esportiva, AO and outside big three and if Felix wins tonight then the last four winners of the World Cup will be one each from Rushmore, Esportiva, AO and outside the big three.

Puts all the arguments about which region is best into perspective :P