NS Premier League - Discussion Thread

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Season 1 Everything Thread
Ok. I want to bounce an idea off everyone to gain some insight into just how much support for an ongoing NS Footy League. The idea has been bounced around a time or two before but hasn’t gone anywhere mainly due to a lack of organization and clear direction. Hopefully I can add some stability to the equation as well as provide some answers on those other two fronts. So here goes…

What are we talking about?
The idea is to create an NS League of football clubs (allowing or use of foreign players) that is run similar to the real world EPL. This league would have its own ranking system apart from any other football entity and would be run as a stand-alone entity.

Organization
The basic idea would have the NS League made up of different tiers of play with promotion and relegation following each season. Each tier would be comprised of up to sixteen clubs (reasons for which I will explain as you read further). The number of tiers, or sub-leagues, would be indefinite and directed by the number of competing clubs. With a possible sixteen clubs per tier there would be a total of thirty matches per club to comprise a season (home and away for each other club in the same tier). The top four would play in a home and away tournament that would thus allow for a regular season champion and possibly a different tournament champion (solely for bragging rights as the tournaments would not be counted towards ranking – but rather only table position for the top four which in turn could affect scorination results).

Returning clubs and new clubs
Clubs participating in the NS League would be automatically entered into the next season with their existing rank. New clubs following the initial season would be entered as unranked into the lowest competing tier with a new tier being started if needed.

Season Length (real time)
While understanding that many users are involved in multiple sporting events that chew up a lot of RL time, this idea would need a workable time frame that allows for interaction, debate, and RP storylines to be developed if it is to be successful. My idea would be to scorinate matches five at a time twice per week on Wednesdays and Sundays. This would make the season six weeks long plus another week for the playoffs. Add another week to have new clubs entered and that would give us basically a two month turn-around from season to season. That would keep things moving at an acceptable pace as well as keeping things as fresh as they get here on NS.

Requirements
Only a roster per season. This gives everyone a basis for match related RP. Any club not submitting a roster for three consecutive seasons will be considered dissolved following the third and removed from the list of competing clubs with all other clubs ranked lower being shifted up accordingly.

Initial Season
With no rankings to determine initial status all first season entries would be divided into equal groups by random draw. Each would play the first season against their group using the top tier ranking formula. Following the first season, the top sixteen clubs would the ones to comprise the top tier. The next sixteen (or remainder) would comprise the second tier and so on.

RP Bonus
A small RP bonus based on all IC interactions will be awarded per scorination day. This bonus would be cumulative and reset following each season.

Entries
Any nation, regardless of puppet status, can submit one club to be entered per sign up period. There is no limit to how many clubs could be entered over time.

Other Stuff
If this idea has enough support, two threads will be created (OOC & IC). Use the OOC for just that – questions and comments from an OOC perspective. You can also use his for OOC discussion of acquiring players from other clubs or nations. IC will include everything from RP and scores to IC discussions concerning player transfers and sponsorship deals.

The latest version of NSFS would be used for scorination.


I think that covers most things so this is now open to discussion and debate


NSPL Group Draw for season 1 courtesy of Random.org.

Emerald Placement Group

Gluckshire S.C. – (SAM)
Catholica FC – (CCA)
La Condamine – (YTT)
Natanyan National FC – (NTN)
Royal PFC – (DAR)
Kageboushi FC – (MZY)
Heretic Cleansing Squad – (CRT)
Gloriax United – (GLX)
Guards FC – (KOG)
ISC Ibini – (VAL)
Kericia City International – (KER)
Ettingburg FC – (FLO)
Concord United – (CAS)
SC Oceanside – (95X)
Moon Village FC – (LRI)
CSKA Quebec – (RKQ)
Alianza FC – (SJG)
FC United – (NWG)


Amethyst Placement Group

Olastaryn FC – (EFL)
Talahita Lions FC – (SLL)
Ko-oren Capitals - (KOR)
Hippion Overdrive – (STB)
Squanders fc – (TBV)
Equestria HC – (EQS)
Ezueil United – (SYD)
CF Ciudad Sangti – (SGT)
Horizon FSC – (MNG)
Kranzburgh United – (ZHN)
Twin Brooks United – (EST)
Tropicorp FC – (TRP)
Noville Heart – (FIL)
Sunrice Saint-Raptors – (NSI)
Federation United – (FFR)
Jujoo – (JOO)
Elvabyen Kapital – (FRU)
Clusteriol United – (BPG)


Sapphire Placement Group

CC Hessington – (TLI)
C.A.A Todas Partes – (AAL)
FC Koradai – (TOR)
Kolonia Fussball – (NKN)
Great Alexandria – (MIL)
Engineers 76 FC – (BKF)
Bosen FC – (MOD)
Dynamo Galaktik – (GAS)
Lac-Drouin FC – (SIC)
KF Lorceagu – (KIN)
Undead Arastom Soccer – (TRB)
Baotou Guoan FC – (GTK)
Tavistock United – (UTO)
Warlocks FK Rhyuun – (AMV)
Smyslova Virmest - (LZH)
Tradewinds – (VAU)
Canil Olympic – (MOL)
SC United and Metropolitan – (VKL)

[Free Republics]

In the past, I have entered the Republican National Team in Acedonia's domestic league system, but I've since moved away from that (Republica FC is now owned by Rule Theriault, but not comprised of Republican nationals). This would probably work out better, if I wanted to retry that idea.

If the season is 30 matches long, with 5 matches per MD and 2 MDs per week, that means 3 weeks per season, with another week for playoffs.

How would the top 16 following season 1 be identified?

What about removing teams that don't post rosters in their first season in the league (in addition to teams with no new roster for 3 seasons)? I don't think SignupandCTE F.C. (from CTEingroupstageistan, which also signed up for the then-current World Cup) should clutter up the lower tiers for 3 seasons if they can't even bother posting a roster in their first season.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

If the season is 30 matches long, with 5 matches per MD and 2 MDs per week, that means 3 weeks per season, with another week for playoffs.

Correct. I had my math off doing too much at once. That means the scorinations per day could be cut down as a one month cycle seems a bit quick in my opinion.

How would the top 16 following season 1 be identified?

The ranking system I used in my domestic league (which has three tiers) generates a rank value for each club when you plug in the record of each club once the season is finished. Except for the initial season, the value of the ranking is slightly lower for the lower tier. Generally, but not always, the top three or four clubs from the lower tier finished with a higher ranking value at the end of the season than the three or four bottom clubs from the higher tier. The bottom clubs would be relegated to the lower tier while deserving clubs would be promoted. If these relegations and promotions are to be based solely on ranking points or by a a predetermined set number is something that needs to be discussed and decided upon. The initial season which would be used to set the tiers system in place would be determined solely on rankings points earned

What about removing teams that don't post rosters in their first season in the league (in addition to teams with no new roster for 3 seasons)? I don't think SignupandCTE F.C. (from CTEingroupstageistan, which also signed up for the then-current World Cup) should clutter up the lower tiers for 3 seasons if they can't even bother posting a roster in their first season.

CTE would definitely be removed following the current season. My bad for not thinking of them to begin with. Also nations signing up should post a roster their first season in my opinion.

[Mangolana]

I think this is definitely a cool idea, but maybe I missed it, if you receive an odd number of teams to start off with, more than 16 or less than 32 how would the leagues be divided, also how are we to determine which clubs go in the upper division and lower divisions for the leagues start-up?

[German American States]

I would be game.

[Boring Paradise]

It's a very nice idea. But...

1) How would this be scorinated
2) Who will scorinate (But I guess it would be you)
3) Will there be a Cup enforced if we get a lot of clubs entering.

[Saugeais]

It looks quite familiar to other proposals put together in the past (though truth be told, they were started by n00b nations), but wouldn't this detract from UICA competition?

[New West Guiana]

but wouldn't this detract from UICA competition?

Not really as thea would allow people to Rp after each scorination date, and improve the further the season progresses. This I assume will be similar to the other full season leagues?

[NexxusDrako]

I'd be in, definitely. It's a good idea, and it's by a well-known nation.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

I think this is definitely a cool idea, but maybe I missed it, if you receive an odd number of teams to start off with, more than 16 or less than 32 how would the leagues be divided, also how are we to determine which clubs go in the upper division and lower divisions for the leagues start-up?

As per the OP…
Initial Season
With no rankings to determine initial status all first season entries would be divided into equal groups by random draw. Each would play the first season against their group using the top tier ranking formula. Following the first season, the top sixteen clubs would the ones to comprise the top tier. The next sixteen (or remainder) would comprise the second tier and so on.

Also if there were an uneven number of signups between the 16 and mark, we could simply divide them evenly inot two groups that would end up being two smaller tiers to begin with or we could move forward as one larger league to begin with. That is something we should discuss

It's a very nice idea. But...

1) How would this be scorinated
2) Who will scorinate (But I guess it would be you)
3) Will there be a Cup enforced if we get a lot of clubs entering.

1) as per the OP I would use the latest NSFS
2) initially by myself, but hopefully allowing active participating nations to run seasons once this thing gets up and going strong
3)I would say yes. Open for discussion

It looks quite familiar to other proposals put together in the past (though truth be told, they were started by n00b nations), but wouldn't this detract from UICA competition?

A) It does appear similar to what we have seen new nations attempt to start up. I feel that if someone were to step forward and run this with experience, more established nations would take part. I can hope anyway. In fact I saw another attempt at this very style when I came onto the forums. The issue is that those signups are always full of new nations no one has ever heard of

B) I would hope this would not detract from the UICA at all as that is not the intended result. I see this as more of an RP league that would stand alone. I would also discourage anyone from entering existing clubs into the competition but rather create an entirely new club for this as all nations will begin on equal footing.

[Equestrian States]

Sounds interesting enough, though if it starts during the current WC cycle, I'll obviously have next to no time available for RPing any Equestrian club entrants.

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Sounds interesting enough, though if it starts during the current WC cycle, I'll obviously have next to no time available for RPing any Equestrian club entrants.

That is why RP would be strongly encouraged but not required.

[Starblaydia]

The reason why these never work is that the people who try and start them have no idea what they're doing and vanish after five minutes.

No such concerns here, and I'd certainly create a new club team for this.

Rather than the English Premier League, which had already established clubs semi breaking away from the established system, this is probably more like the Indian Premier League (of Cricket) that set up essentially the world's most glamorous, action-packed and well-paid cricket league from scratch in 2008.

[Osarius]

this is probably more like the Indian Premier League (of Cricket)

On that note, a player auction could be interesting.

[Starblaydia]

this is probably more like the Indian Premier League (of Cricket)

On that note, a player auction could be interesting.

Or horrible.

But mostly horrible. I was going to mention it but hoped it could be kept quiet.

[Uitbregen]

On that note, a player auction could be interesting.

Or horrible.

But mostly horrible. I was going to mention it but hoped it could be kept quiet.

Regarding an auction, in the Super Trophy (an IPL-style club cricket competition), Liventia came up with a good system of shifting players to different clubs whilst avoiding the arduous hassle and confusion, not to mention the time of an auction. Don't know whether it could be applied to a larger football competition, but it seemed to work there.

(The system is in the OP)

[Osarius]

On that note, a player auction could be interesting.

Or horrible.

But mostly horrible. I was going to mention it but hoped it could be kept quiet.

Not really. It's not exactly difficult to get people to offer up players. The auction itself, if operated as a sealed bid auction (for what I hope are obvious reasons) with a combined bid limit, all it would take is literally a single TG to a neutral account from each person involved.

It wouldn't even impact the competition, aside from providing possible RP oportunity. And I don't see how that is in any way a negative.

[Mollary]

I'd be interested, I can't really think of enough teams to run my own league so entering only a handful into something like this would interest me.

[Starblaydia]

And I don't see how that is in any way a negative.

I know that I don't want to create a new team by bidding on a random selection of players that everyone else has offered up names for - hefty amounts of player trading, sure.

[Osarius]

And I don't see how that is in any way a negative.

I know that I don't want to create a new team by bidding on a random selection of players that everyone else has offered up names for - hefty amounts of player trading, sure.

Considering not every player in the IPL is available and/or signed through the player auctions, I'm not sure where this idea is coming from.
I see no disadvantages to a low-effort, optional system that would provide RP opportunity.

[Starblaydia]

I know that I don't want to create a new team by bidding on a random selection of players that everyone else has offered up names for - hefty amounts of player trading, sure.

Considering not every player in the IPL is available and/or signed through the player auctions, I'm not sure where this idea is coming from.
I see no disadvantages to a low-effort, optional system that would provide RP opportunity.

You mentioned player auctions! [/derail]

[Andossa Se Mitrin Vega]

Back to this with some RL time...

With some positive feedback and some ideas as to where we might go with this, let's keep the ideas going as well as open this to signups for the first season.

Signing up Rhyuun FK Warlocks from Errion Vega, ASMV



As for the player market, not really sure about how a draft would work but am open to the discussion. Transfers are a definite go as long as everyone will post players to be for sale or loan.

[German American States]

Signing up SC Gold Löwe from Milwaukeesburg, GAS

Dynamo Galaktik from Milwaukeesburg, GAS.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Signing the best in SJG.... Alianza F.C .

[Free Republics]

Rule Theriault signs up his newest club, Federation United, which will be based out of the Soccer Palace in Petrograd, Plymouth.