The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version III)

[Apox]

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I'm not complaining, the 2ppg I obtained this cup actually meant my rank went up - due to me having a disastrous WC66 and only achieving 1.7ppg.

Regardless, when I get some time, probably tomorrow, I'll work out the average ppg of all nations qualifying in the last 10 cups, just so there's a correct statisical weighting to either side of the argument.

[Equestrian States]

Did I update these last cycle? I don't remember. Anyways, SRS rankings for y'all:

Valanora (Elves Security Forces)          148/37  HOF 39
The Holy Empire (Alasdair I Frosticus)    121/42  HOF 45
Starblaydia                               117/42  HOF 27
Bedistan                                   99/27  HOF 11
Audioslavia                                96/32  HOF 18
Squornshelous                              96/36  HOF 15
Commerce Heights (Capitalizt SLANI)        91/42  HOF 20
Rejistania                                 88/26  HOF 17
Krytenia                                   76/35  HOF 29
Liverpool England                          73/24  HOF 14
Jeruselem                                  72/45  HOF 32
Ariddia                                    69/23  HOF 7
Vilita                                     65/30  HOF 26
Total n Utter Insanity                     64/28  HOF 12
The Babbage Islands                        58/16  HOF 57
The Archregimancy                          57/32  HOF 48
Sarzonia                                   55/22  HOF 25
Europa Britannia                           54/17  HOF 2
Cafundéu                                   54/27  HOF 44
Polar Islandstates                         52/14  HOF 64
Milchama                                   51/24  HOF 38
Sorthern Northland                         49/17  HOF 52
Eauz                                       48/17  HOF 16
Aguazul                                    47/12  HOF 58
Jeru FC                                    46/22  HOF 54
Turori                                     44/23  HOF 28
Bears Armed                                41/21  HOF 59
Az-cz                                      40/12  HOF 37
Candelaria And Marquez                     40/12  HOF 49
Cassadaigua                                40/17  HOF 55
Bostopia                                   40/24  HOF 53
Bettia                                     39/17  HOF 35
Svecia                                     39/22  HOF 8
Giant Zucchini                             38/15  HOF 3
Andossa Se Mitrin Vega                     37/15  HOF 63
Lemmitania                                 37/15  HOF 10
Spaam                                      37/16  HOF 13
Qazox                                      36/26  HOF 56
Errinundera                                35/13  HOF 34*
The Han Empire (Daehanjeiguk)              35/14  HOF 51
New Montreal States                        35/16  HOF 36
Demot                                      34/14  HOF 43
Bazalonia                                  32/19  HOF 47
The Lowland Clans                          32/20  HOF 33
One Red Dot                                32/22  HOF 22
Dancougar                                  31/11  HOF 50
The Sylvanaes Queendom (Dorian and Sonya)  31/13  HOF 61
Casari                                     30/12  HOF 40
Lovisa                                     30/17  HOF 46
Brazillico                                 29/8   HOF 5
Tanah Burung                               29/14  HOF 9
Schiavonia                                 28/14  HOF 60
Valladares                                 28/14  HOF 68
Eura (The FSSO)                            27/10  HOF 67
Zwangzug                                   27/12  HOF 66
Ad'ihan                                    27/15  HOF 62
Dance 2 Revolution                         26/13  HOF 41
Tadjikistan                                26/14  HOF 30
Yafor 2                                    26/16  HOF 65
Oliverry                                   25/15  HOF 42
The Eagles Nest                            24/10  HOF 21
Crystilakere                               24/11  HOF 31
Oglethorpia                                24/14  HOF 24
Kingsford                                  23/12  HOF 23
Snub Nose 38                               23/12  HOF 19
Osarius                                    23/8   HOF 69
Kelssek                                    23/13   -
Wentland                                   23/14   - 
The Belmore Family                         22/11   - 
Fmjphoenix                                 22/13   - 
Vephrall                                   22/13   - 
Pasarga                                    22/14   - 
Kura-Pelland                               20/10   - 
Ravenspire                                 20/10   - 
Dennisov                                   20/11  HOF 17a
Tynelia                                    20/12   - 
Kaze Progressa                             20/13  HOF 61a
Halfassedstates                            19/9    - 
Akbarabad                                  19/14   - 
Sel Appa                                   18/8    - 
Cockbill Street                            18/10   - 
Runaway Moose                              18/10   - 
Mytannion                                  18/11   -
Quohog                                     17/6   HOF 6
Oaker                                      17/7    - 
Septentrionia                              17/11   - 
Crosshill                                  16/3   HOF 1
Druida                                     15/8    - 
Gesamtkuntswerk                            15/12   - 
Jasi'yun                                   15/12   - 
Quakmybush                                 15/12   - 
Wight                                      14/5    - 
Iansisle                                   14/6    - 
Nethertopia                                14/6    - 
Taeshan                                    14/8    - 
Queer Poco el Mono Ara                     14/9    - 
Hockey Canada                              13/5    - 
Albundania                                 12/4    - 
Haraki                                     12/6    - 
Legalese                                   12/7    - 
EL CID THE HERO                            12/8    - 
Al Quds                                    11/3   HOF 4
Saugeais                                   11/5    - 
Delaclava                                  11/6    - 
Geisenfried                                11/6    - 
Cosumar                                    11/7    - 
Sargossa                                   11/8    - 
Northern Bettia                            11/9    - 
Melmond                                    10/4    - 
Farfadillis                                10/5    - 
Pays de Horreur                            10/6    - 
Gyatso-kai                                 10/8    - 
Oddslavo                                   10/8    - 
Spruitland                                 10/9    - 
Free Republics                             9/2     -
Jurassica                                  9/3     - 
NEWI Cefn Druids                           9/5     - 
Astograth                                  9/6     - 
Kiryu-shi                                  9/7     - 
Peisandros                                 9/7     - 
Warnocks Wizards                           8/2     - 
Ziotah                                     8/2     - 
Antaeus Rising                             8/4     - 
Darmen                                     8/4     -
Lunatic Goofballs                          8/4     - 
Steel Shadows                              8/4     - 
Dark Outcasts                              8/5     - 
United Gordonopia                          8/5     - 
Nova Britannicus                           8/6     - 
The Islands of Qutar                       8/6     - 
Communism & Vodka                          7/3     - 
The Inevitable Syndicate                   7/3     -
Busby                                      7/4     - 
Cotdelapoms                                7/4     - 
Kagdazka and Pazhujebu (Pazhujeb Islands)  7/4     - 
Aquilla                                    7/5     - 
Chetkosk                                   7/5     - 
Kosovoe                                    7/5     - 
Blouman Empire                             7/6     - 
Swartaz                                    7/6     - 
Kulverint                                  7/7     - 
Dead Man                                   6/2     - 
El Gibbonia                                6/2     - 
Timway                                     6/3     - 
Yesopalitha                                6/3     - 
Antoletia                                  6/4     - 
Ko-oren                                    6/4     - 
Secristan                                  6/4     - 
Kerla                                      6/5     - 
Newmanistan                                6/5     - 
Prux                                       6/5     - 
Nedalia                                    6/6     - 
The Licentian Isles (Licentiapacisterra)   6/6     - 
Moyk                                       5/2     - 
Pax Humanis                                5/2     - 
Wella                                      5/3     - 
Apox                                       5/4     -
Der Angst                                  5/4     - 
Equestrian States                          5/4     - 
The Weegies                                5/4     - 
Nikea                                      5/5     - 
Terracossa                                 4/1     - 
Aquiliana                                  4/2     - 
Botafogo                                   4/2     - 
Cuation                                    4/2     - 
Felix                                      4/2     -
Nephara (New Sideburn)                     4/2     -
Paradystopia                               4/2     -
Pure Evil                                  4/2     - 
Raptor Claw                                4/2     - 
Erathore                                   4/3     - 
Mangolana                                  4/3     - 
McPsychoville                              4/3     - 
Northern Sunrise Islands                   4/3     -
Praying2God                                4/3     - 
Saintland                                  4/3     - 
Tyrrin                                     4/3     - 
West Zirconia                              4/3     - 
Cataduanes                                 4/4     - 
Chicanada                                  4/4     - 
Five Civilized Nations                     4/4     - 
NASTIC 2                                   4/4     - 
Northern Caesarea                          4/4     - 
Rennidan                                   4/4     - 
Yafalonia and Bazor 2                      4/4     - 
Amerigo                                    3/1     - 
Carmadin                                   3/1     - 
Kazzoria                                   3/1     - 
Livland                                    3/1     - 
Barunia                                    3/2     -
East Spaam                                 3/2     - 
Gilmeecia                                  3/2     - 
Ironchefk                                  3/2     - 
Kinitaria                                  3/2     -
Malundar                                   3/2     - 
Tretskivucia                               3/2     - 
Vortexicca                                 3/2     - 
Assegai Developments                       3/3     - 
Aston Villa                                3/3     - 
Belmorian Scandinavia                      3/3     - 
Boring Paradise                            3/3     - 
Chenkorya                                  3/3     - 
Dyelli Beybi                               3/3     - 
Green Wombat                               3/3     - 
Khytenna                                   3/3     - 
Landau Institute                           3/3     - 
Lethislavania                              3/3     - 
Novapsolu                                  3/3     - 
The Macabees                               3/3     - 
Budvar                                     2/1     - 
Chakra                                     2/1     - 
Chanerth                                   2/1     - 
Chiata                                     2/1     -
Copiosa Scotia                             2/1     - 
East Neutralia                             2/1     - 
Kesgrave                                   2/1     - 
Kokottland                                 2/1     - 
Muchoflipflopcramshlam                     2/1     - 
Rhaken Kull                                2/1     - 
Slutania                                   2/1     - 
South Osettia                              2/1     - 
Terreiro de Ogum                           2/1     - 
The Dugout                                 2/1     - 
Adam Island                                2/2     - 
Akbarland                                  2/2     - 
Altamira                                   2/2     - 
Arroza                                     2/2     - 
Becquerelia                                2/2     - 
Bergnovinaia                               2/2     - 
Bipedal Apes                               2/2     - 
Carpathia and Ruthenia                     2/2     - 
Central New Jersey                         2/2     - 
Kylaai                                     2/2     - 
Mantwenic                                  2/2     - 
Mapletish                                  2/2     - 
Mattigool                                  2/2     - 
Mizuyuki                                   2/2     - 
Rotenfeld                                  2/2     - 
Sarzoclava                                 2/2     - 
Somewhereistonia                           2/2     - 
Spurland                                   2/2     - 
The HURD                                   2/2     - 
The Kazoo Peoples                          2/2     - 
The Royal Barangay                         2/2     -
Utter Boredom                              2/2     - 
West Angola                                2/2     - 
Zinkoland                                  2/2     - 
_AMP                                       1/1     - 
6 Pupper Runny Funnies                     1/1     - 
Acapais                                    1/1     - 
Agrigento                                  1/1     - 
Al-Mumtaz                                  1/1     - 
Artoonia                                   1/1     - 
Atheistic Right                            1/1     - 
Aural Chaos                                1/1     - 
Aurendia                                   1/1     - 
Belly Bombers                              1/1     - 
Bravlek                                    1/1     - 
Bullonien                                  1/1     - 
Buyan                                      1/1     -
Caprine States                             1/1     - 
Caras Sidh                                 1/1     - 
Christofi                                  1/1     - 
Churchma                                   1/1     - 
Cobra Cult                                 1/1     - 
County Islands                             1/1     - 
Creedence Clearwater                       1/1     - 
Dannland                                   1/1     - 
DeLashaw                                   1/1     - 
Demonic Beings                             1/1     - 
Derto                                      1/1     - 
Eastfield Lodge                            1/1     - 
Enodia                                     1/1     - 
Eskrador                                   1/1     - 
Esth                                       1/1     - 
Estresse Intenso                           1/1     - 
Fair Trading                               1/1     - 
Falklands                                  1/1     - 
Farclandia                                 1/1     - 
Fight Back USA                             1/1     - 
Gaian Ascendancy                           1/1     - 
GATMOG                                     1/1     - 
Rüntenbach (German American States)        1/1     -
Glaser                                     1/1     -
Gordon Bay City                            1/1     - 
Harlesburg                                 1/1     - 
Hiiraan                                    1/1     - 
Hurfordia                                  1/1     - 
Hypocria                                   1/1     - 
ILO                                        1/1     - 
Ineptia                                    1/1     - 
Ipeland                                    1/1     - 
Isselmere-Nieland                          1/1     - 
Jacktazea                                  1/1     - 
Jedi8246                                   1/1     - 
Kandorith                                  1/1     -
Karditan                                   1/1     - 
Kernansquillec                             1/1     - 
Leison                                     1/1     - 
Liamist States                             1/1     - 
Lovebug                                    1/1     - 
Lower Gate                                 1/1     - 
Lykaia                                     1/1     - 
Michael VII                                1/1     - 
Neo-Wu                                     1/1     - 
Neu Engollon                               1/1     -
Nonesuch Street                            1/1     - 
Nonexistentcitygrad                        1/1     - 
North Chicanan                             1/1     - 
Oickoidia                                  1/1     - 
Optimal Frequency                          1/1     - 
Orlkjestad                                 1/1     - 
Ossidiacqua                                1/1     -
Paulinland                                 1/1     - 
Phoenigetuzstha                            1/1     - 
Rouge Pioneers                             1/1     - 
San Jose Guayabal                          1/1     -
Sarrbia                                    1/1     - 
Shinjo ViCu                                1/1     - 
Shonar Bangla                              1/1     - 
Sibirsky                                   1/1     - 
Sicoutimont                                1/1     -
Silexhera                                  1/1     - 
Sliponia                                   1/1     - 
Spookistan and Jakalah                     1/1     - 
Stachland                                  1/1     - 
Super-Llamaland                            1/1     -
Svengarda                                  1/1     -
Tarrentum                                  1/1     - 
The Bostopian Empire                       1/1     -
The Brotherhood of Nod                     1/1     -
The Divine Llama                           1/1     -
The Imperial Navy                          1/1     -
The League of 2000                         1/1     -
The Royal Kingdom of Quebec                1/1     -
The Sarian                                 1/1     -
Toyur                                      1/1     -
Turnia                                     1/1     -
Ulzaxid                                    1/1     -
Vegimite                                   1/1     -
Virabia                                    1/1     -
West Ariddia                               1/1     -

Key: 7 points for winning the World Cup. 6 points for second place. 5 points for third place. 4 points for fourth place. 3 points for elimination in the quarterfinals. 2 points for elimination in the second round. 1 point for elimination in the group stage.

As the nations with the most points not yet in the World Cup Nations' Hall of Fame, Valladares and Osarius join the Hall of Fame. Congratulations!

Note: If you notice any mistakes, please note that it's nearly 3:00 AM where I live before blasting me about messing up. Thank you and good night.

[Cosumar]

Congrats Valladares and Osarius! Well-deserved. I was actually surprised neither of you were in the HOF yet.

[Osarius]

Congrats Valladares and Osarius! Well-deserved. I was actually surprised neither of you were in the HOF yet.

On the contrary, I'm a little surprised I got in so soon. Doesn't feel like I've been around that long. Still feels like I'm crashing the party sometimes, actually.

Thanks though

its lack of ability to commit to the greater-than-ever time commitment and way-too-many signups to oversee as far as checking, grading, scorinating etc.

I assumed this was the case for most people not bidding tbh. I didn't even know about the 2ppg thing.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Congrats Valladares and Osarius. Looking at the rankings, Pasarga are the only active footballing nation anywhere near induction, and will be guaranteed with a second round appearance in the next finals (barring miracle runs by returning nations)

Also, I've just noticed that this thread has a maximum of 20 pages to go before hitting the limiter...

[Ruentenbach]

Well guys, I'm back. I'd like to apologize for vanishing off the face of the earth for the past couple of weeks, I've just had a lot going on between vacations, camp, and other shiz. I've also decided to switch to this nation from GAS. If you could please apply all rankings and other information from GAS to me, that would be just dandy. BTW, I wont be continuing Adler Sport, but I will be taking orders via TG. I might be opening up a new storefront in the near future, but I haven't decided yet.

[Neu Engollon]

Belated congrats to the winners of both the WC and CoH, as well as the runner ups, and special thanks to all the hosts. The RPs also were great to read, of what I could get to around RL and other NS biz. It has been a pleasure to be a part of this WC cycle and I look forward to the next one.

[Audioslavia]

Just to throw my flatcap into the ring regarding the debate about the hosts' KPB points, I don't think many of the users with nations in the top 20 of the rankings (ie those who lose out a little during hosting runs) see the small drop in KPB points as an obstacle to hosting.

That said, I'd be in favour of changing the 2KPB-per-match figure to something else if it went to vote. 2.2 seems like a fair arbitrary increase, though if anyone is willing to do the maths and find a more accurate representation of the average KPB points per game for a qualified team, I'd be happy to use that number instead.

[West Angola]

Speaking of disappearing... My humblest apologies to the Eagle's Cup hosts and fellow participants. I've been running around all over the place with college starting for the past three weeks, and I haven't had the time or energy to get anything going RP'wise.

[Equestrian States]

With Starblaydia giving his blessing via TG, I present to you a humble signup thread for the 32nd Di Bradini Cup.

[Schiavonia]

Speaking of disappearing... My humblest apologies to the Eagle's Cup hosts and fellow participants. I've been running around all over the place with college starting for the past three weeks, and I haven't had the time or energy to get anything going RP'wise.

A similar message from me. This is the first time I've even looked at NS in over a week, and I can't see the situation improving in the near future.

Also, I agree that hosts should receive a bigger qualifying score in the rankings, to reflect the higher qualifying totals across the board in these days of megacups. Probably slightly below average for qualifiers, though, as remember that they do get home advantage in the finals, and so would be expected to perform well there.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Regarding the host average issue per WC Qualifying phase, two points as average is even generous considering that just few teams in the Qualifiers reach tat average, I'd like to suggest to keep it in two, considering the effort of the hosts in hosting an event of such magnitude.

[Jeckland]

Regarding the host average issue per WC Qualifying phase, two points as average is even generous considering that just few teams in the Qualifiers reach tat average, I'd like to suggest to keep it in two, considering the effort of the hosts in hosting an event of such magnitude.

I have to disagree. Hosts automatically qualify, so they should be given ranking points rougly equating to the average qualifiying nation rather than a fifth seed who hardly RPs (guilty as charged, bad timing for a holiday). Furythermore, your argument about the effort hosts put in baffles me. Hosts have to put in a lot of effort, but surely that is a reason to reward them more rather than keep a system which penalises them, even if slightly?

[NSWC Signups]

RE: The World Cup Signups.

The previous plan of "anybody placing a bid automatically triggering the signup process" still stands, but in case of no bids - as in the last cup - I will give it a week or so before opening signups anyway.

Please do think about if you want to bid or not. And, whilst I appreciate this may go a little against the 'junior' bidder part of the hypothethised four-way hosting deal, considering this me throwing my hat into the ring with The Fallenmark Islands to be one of those four hosts. Provided, of course, that Fallenmark are one of the two hosts who don't receive an automatic berth (hence the probable 'junior' position). That would be daft.

Thanks.

[Vilita]

Regarding the host average issue per WC Qualifying phase, two points as average is even generous considering that just few teams in the Qualifiers reach tat average, I'd like to suggest to keep it in two, considering the effort of the hosts in hosting an event of such magnitude.

I have to disagree. Hosts automatically qualify, so they should be given ranking points rougly equating to the average qualifiying nation rather than a fifth seed who hardly RPs (guilty as charged, bad timing for a holiday). Furythermore, your argument about the effort hosts put in baffles me. Hosts have to put in a lot of effort, but surely that is a reason to reward them more rather than keep a system which penalises them, even if slightly?

But you could argue that automatically qualifying is gift enough in itself this day in age when making the finals isn't even a guarantee for a top 5 nation who RP's no less a 5th seed that doesnt. and as the data already presented shows, 2 points per game is more than the worst-performing nation that qualifies got in the recent world cups, which was around 1.9ppg.

If anything, the argument for changing it now is weaker than it would have ever been, because the reward is far more valuable than it ever was (Guaranteed progression into the finals)

[Gregoryisgodistan]

What ranks, if any, are used in the U21WC?

[Jeckland]

What ranks, if any, are used in the U21WC?

The lovely system of RP Bonus.

[The Archregimancy]

Apologies for my recent disappearance - and the lack of a WC69 winning RP.

For a variety of personal reasons (no major crises, I stress; health or otherwise), I've been taking an NS sabbatical for the last three weeks while also limiting my online time.

Next week I'll also be on Mount Athos, so will have no internet access anyway.

I will try and get that WC69 RP posted before Monday, though.

Again, my apologies if there's been any inconvenience here.

[Jeckland]

Following a round of 24 exit in the Campionato Esportiva, the JFB have relieved manager Lee Evans of his position and are searching for a new national team manager. The manager would be able to bring in his own coaching staff. I'm open to all sorts of tactics and stuff, but I'm looking for a manager who has enough experience to manage a team of Jeckland's stature (ranked 99th, though will be lower by WC70Q with the loss of my fairly high BoF bonus). TG your managers to Jeckland, along with any coaching staff, previous experience, tactis and other information, I will pick based on IC experience and the level of detail given to me in the TG.

[Polar Islandstates]

Just back at my family home clearing out my old bedroom and I've dug up some old drawings that I did way back when I was a nipper and had since forgotten about. Thought you guys might like to know that apparently Nationstates is just a vehicle for my kit designing and nation-building, both of which appear to go way back...

[Cosumar]

Just back at my family home clearing out my old bedroom and I've dug up some old drawings that I did way back when I was a nipper and had since forgotten about. Thought you guys might like to know that apparently Nationstates is just a vehicle for my kit designing and nation-building, both of which appear to go way back...

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Aww, that's adorable. And it reminds me of myself - I used to draw fictional lands on pieces of paper when I was a kid too.

[Jeckland]

Just back at my family home clearing out my old bedroom and I've dug up some old drawings that I did way back when I was a nipper and had since forgotten about. Thought you guys might like to know that apparently Nationstates is just a vehicle for my kit designing and nation-building, both of which appear to go way back...

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Well your art then is better than mine now. No really. I made Homer Simpson look like a duck without even meaning to.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Just back at my family home clearing out my old bedroom and I've dug up some old drawings that I did way back when I was a nipper and had since forgotten about. Thought you guys might like to know that apparently Nationstates is just a vehicle for my kit designing and nation-building, both of which appear to go way back...

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Well your art then is better than mine now. No really. I made Homer Simpson look like a duck without even meaning to.

Yours is better than mine. I can only draw one thing. I don't know what it is but everything I draw looks like it. I also once got detention for drawing a mean picture of my Spanish teacher even though it was supposed to be a nice picture but only made her look fat and ugly because I'm a terrible artist.

[Britonisea]

Just back at my family home clearing out my old bedroom and I've dug up some old drawings that I did way back when I was a nipper and had since forgotten about. Thought you guys might like to know that apparently Nationstates is just a vehicle for my kit designing and nation-building, both of which appear to go way back...

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Aww, that's adorable. And it reminds me of myself - I used to draw fictional lands on pieces of paper when I was a kid too.

Me too. I like drawing cities and lands and I know what a few of my NS Cities look like. Is drawing peices of land accepted in a football bid?

Oh also, what can I partcipate in to raise my rank?

[Polar Islandstates]

Me too. I like drawing cities and lands and I know what a few of my NS Cities look like. Is drawing peices of land accepted in a football bid?

Oh also, what can I partcipate in to raise my rank?

As in, a bid to host? Technically most things are 'accepted' in a bid to host, but a nice picture of a city isn't preferable to the more vital OOC information and would in no way replace it. It's IC padding. Nice, attractive, but not essential.

Ranking in the KPBs? The only events that affect that are the BoF, WC qualifying, the WC itself, and the CoH.