Domestic GRIDIRON / AMERICAN FOOTBALL Discussion Thread! OOC

[Yesopalitha]

As it has been stated, Falconear will be the account being cut from Champions' League. I'll scorinate it and post it, but it won't get any berths.
Thanks FSC.

[Falconfar]

Good job FSC. (This is Yeso's puppet btw)
A few suggestions:
1. Like the other leagues, this league should be held once every month or so. (Most run once every six weeks or so)
2. Rankings can be done whichever way you want them done, but usually, it's A number of points per win in first group stage + B number of points per win in second group stage + C number of points per win beyond that + D number of points for winning/second place/etc. all divided by some number to keep the number from hiking up so high. You don't want the difference between the champion and the runners-up to be ridiculously far apart, and you also don't want it to be so small that the champion won't have somewhat of an advantage.

There is no right/wrong way of doing rankings, and in subsequent editions you can always tweak the formula until it becomes what you want it to be. Since you've taken it upon yourself to do this, it is to do as you wish.

Just my two cents.

[Free South Califas]

Thanks for the input and the kind words, Yeso.

[Vettrera]

how would i go about getting involved in this league?

[Carmadin]

FSC, I have to truly thank you for taking over from my disorganization. Thank you so so much

And a finals appearance, not too bad

That said, I'd still like to run the invitational I talked about. If anybody is interested, I will send out invitations, and run it hopefully soon
A thought, and thanks again to FSC

how would i go about getting involved in this league?

Simply post your league results and qualifiers in the IC thread!

[Free South Califas]

FSC, I have to truly thank you for taking over from my disorganization. Thank you so so much

You're quite welcome. It's rewarding to see the finished product.

And a finals appearance, not too bad

Yep, you were always going to be a strong contender TBH.

That said, I'd still like to run the invitational I talked about. If anybody is interested, I will send out invitations, and run it hopefully soon

Not sure what invitational you're referring to, but I'm always up for invitationals. Now (well, soon) we'll have some rankings to do it with, too.

how would i go about getting involved in this league?

Simply post your league results and qualifiers in the IC thread! [/quote]

Yep, just scorinate your league and post it in that thread like others have done. We'd love to have you. You can choose the four teams you send, or I'll take your bowl semifinalists or top 4 from your post.

[Carmadin]

Anyway, as I still would very much like to host something, how would you feel if I hosted a --insert snazzy name here-- invitational, with the Bowl or Champion's game winners and a few other clubs invited (like the Aeropag Invitational and Cygnus Cup had a distorted baby)
Wow, that was a bad analogy...

*ends ramble*

[Vettrera]

And I can currently post my qualifiers, or do I have to wait for a certain timeframe? (sorry if I seem foolish

[Carmadin]

And I can currently post my qualifiers, or do I have to wait for a certain timeframe? (sorry if I seem foolish

you can post them right now

[Free South Califas]

No worries, Vettrera. It's my fault, I should mention in the thread that entries may be submitted at any time, like CH does in the soccer competition.

[Vettrera]

ok. I'll do some tweaks and post em' early tomorrow

[Carmadin]

I've put up some things for the Chahr Gridiron Invitational, hope you all approve

[Free South Califas]

I, for one, dig it. I like the idea of inviting every league champion and the two from the Solidarity Bowl. It seems right for those two nations (after any given SB) to get an extra invitation, anyway.

[Carmadin]

I, for one, dig it. I like the idea of inviting every league champion and the two from the Solidarity Bowl. It seems right for those two nations (after any given SB) to get an extra invitation, anyway.

Thank you
I figured invite every league champion, and use SB finishers to make it a multiple of four. I have a file for scorination all set, so iit will be up probably tommorow

[Yesopalitha]

Expect my seasons after my teams' elimination in the World Bowl.

[International Gridiron Champions League]

Anarchies and gentlestates,

This is a request for both third party scorination and, if there is interest, some feedback about the first knockout round, which was just scorinated: viewtopic.php?p=10747394#p10747394

As you can see there, my ²⁰Inglewood Sentinels beat ³¹Mink Dynamo in what turned out to be a relatively weak octofinal path. It was a 20-point victory at home.

So, questions for all players; please share your opinions here or by TG to this nation:
1. Should I have asked for third party scorination of my octofinal game? I gave myself a middling RP bonus, to be frank, and I think anyone reading the thread could have seen my champions beating NSI's champions this year. Personally I wouldn't expect NSI would disagree, but I could be wrong, of course. If so, what should we do now?
2. Should the octofinals have been corrected for single-nation matchups? The first thing that jumps to mind for me is that would probably have had Allamunnic teams dice up the field for themselves, since there were so many new teams and the ALS coefficient was so high. However, I'd love to hear any opinions out there. If so, what should we do now?
3. Should the groups have been corrected for single-nation matchups? If so, what should we do now?

I hope I haven't implied a yes or no opinion on any of these, I'm very curious as to the opinions out there. For the sake of continuity, the currently posted results will stand by default if there is no dissenting vote from among the 12 leagues (that includes Vettrera and any nation controlling a GAFA team that is participating).

Now, we're set up for an Inglewood fixture at ¹Nocksburg Razorbacks, the defending champions, at Nocksburg. I don't expect Inglewood are likely to threaten the Razorbacks, but if there is an upset, I wouldn't want to leave any room for doubt as to the integrity of the competition. Therefore, I'm requesting third-party scorination for this match. Please telegram me ASAP if you're willing to scorinate this and I'll send you the file with RP bonuses edited out (you can add your own for FSC and ALS if you want, I would recommend your bonus system's maximum for ALS personally).

I will give this enough time for me to take care of a few matters of everyday business here, then if nobody has had a chance to offer their services, I'll send polite TGs to the players who aren't me or ALS, starting with those who seem most actively interested in IGCL 2. Thanks for being patient with me on this. If anyone would like to clarify their lack of availability, or their wish not to be telegrammed, you can TG me or post it here. My TG box is almost empty on this account, so go to town.

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Thanks again for your participation, all, and for your patience. I have one last question for you.

It seems that GAFA teams have done quite poorly in IGCL 2, which is to be expected to a degree since they didn't participate in IGCL 1. I did give them the maximum possible RP bonus in my system, though, to be frank. I don't think anything else would be fair, as the league is literally made of high-pressure RPs. Should IGCL 3 force participating MNLs to send six teams, not four?

[The Fanboyists]

Sorry about that OOC post. I didn't realize this existed. Coolio!

But yeah, I'd hoped that one of my other teams would make it this far, and not just to have Nocksburg get this far again, despite me sending teams from my league that did *considerably* better than they did. Not a complaint, but I'm sort of annoyed that 8-8 Nocksburg has outperformed 11-5 AGL Champion Dunnmaar, 12-4 AGL Runners-UP Innsbruck, and 15-1 Thomasburg. Of course, I'm not complaining about making the finals again.

[Free South Califas]

Yeah, they were always going to do well, really, considering their ranking. Obviously your new teams were better positioned than anyone else's new teams (per coefficient), but they still weren't at the same level. You could RP Nocksburg having some kind of issue during the season and fixing it by IGCL time, I suppose, or maybe that they just have the knack for their IGCL opponents?

If anyone has any suggestions about making the rankings a little tighter, let me know. I suppose I could crank up the maximum skill level next time (since I use SQIS).

[Free South Califas]

Good news and bad news.

Good news: My chronic dizziness, headaches and related issues have relented somewhat. I'm not fully recovered, but I'm back to work, and taking steps to become politically active again by applying to join an anti-capitalist union.

Bad news: I'm back to work and becoming politically active again, so I don't think I'll have time to do the IGCL anymore. I might, but it doesn't look at all likely from here. I'm working more hours than ever for my friend's online retail company, and its steady growth foretells a shortage of quantities of free time that would allow me to do all the RPing I want. My RPing in general will probably be limited to the occasional roster post from FSC/Israeli Apartheid Client-State/Free University and intermittent electoral/political RPs from Central North America.

With two editions in the bag, a growing contingent of interest from a small but diverse spectrum of nations, and the involvement of a few very experienced NSers (relative to other small tournaments), plus a functional ranking format and a skeletal but sufficient core of organizing principles, I have high hopes that the IGCL will continue long past my initial role at the helm, and look forward to participating as a player for years to come.

While club competitions of this nature are typically the responsibility of a single dedicated player, the success of NSCF demonstrates that club tournaments, even arcane ones, can be run smoothly by committee. Though I would never presume to put them on the spot, I can think of a few current IGCL participants who would clearly be fine and trustworthy hosts, whether for a single edition or fifty. For now, I would appreciate if people would share their interest in hosting at least one, IGCL 3 or a future edition, here in this thread or by telegram to International Gridiron Champions League. I would also appreciate player feedback as to what is the most appropriate way to select the host; formal voting structures seem a bit rarer in these sorts of tournaments, but I'd have nothing against throwing the IGCL 1 & 2 participants into an 'Executive Committee' that could receive and vote on bids. The IGCL account on NS would be moved out of the democratic region it is currently sitting in, so as to avoid corrupting its politics; then control of the account would be promptly handed over to a duly-elected delegate or "president" of the Committee, who would be instructed to change its password (presumably preventing any diabolical scheme I might dream up to retain power undemocratically).

As obvious and preordained as it now seems in hindsight, I must admit I was a little skeptical that this project would meet with much success. Established nations can be hesitant to join new leagues, and too many theoretically sound competitions have been one-offs or worse. However, I think it is safe to say I have been proven wrong. Far from seeing it as a threat to their success, some established gridiron nations have seen IGCL as an opportunity to shine in a new field, and they have helped raise the expectations for all participants. Not to put too fine a point on it, but I have been especially impressed by the detailed game reports and athletes generated by IGCL participants, some of whom are clearly loath to shy away from a challenge.

tl;dr Please note your interest in hosting IGCL 3 here or in telegram to International Gridiron Champions League, and thanks for all the fish.

[International Gridiron Champions League]

viewtopic.php?p=11925801&sid=6be652a55ebd3abc9ab40913e07ab2fe#p11925801

IGCL 3 signups have officially been opened (four leagues have entered so far);

a tentative cutoff date has been set for December 15 (at 9:00 AM in Los Angeles);

the new Executive Council has been formed, and all 13 users admitted as Charter Members who have participated so far:

Charter Members of the Executive Council
(Image)Allamunnic States
(Image)Falconfar
(Image)Ko-Oren
(Image)Carmadin
(Image)Michael VII
(Image)Free South Califas
[x]Osarius
(Image)Northern Sunrise Islands
[x]Filopines
(Image)Darmen
(Image)Sicoutimont
(Image)Civil Citizenry
[x]Global American Football Association (GAFA-IGCL Committee)

;

all 12 non-FSC members have been encouraged to submit their candidacy to replace Free South Califas as Delegate of the Executive Council (equivalent to President of other NS Sports councils);

and three proposals have been put up for a vote:

First proposal to the Executive Council: ECP#1 Automatically Accept New Members
Author: (Image)Free South Califas

Proposal: In a binding resolution which would take effect in the planning stages of IGCL 4, the Executive Council shall automatically accept, as an Automatic Member with full voting privileges, each nation or multinational league which has entered a team or teams to the IGCL for a second time. (OOC: Unless the same user already controls a nation or league that is currently a member of the Executive Council, or was banned from the Executive Council.)

Clarifications: May be the same or different teams. An Automatic Member is not currently different from the Charter Members (all current EC members), but future EC decisions may consider a distinction between the two for some reason. This is one proposal for the automatic expansion of the Executive Council as new participants join the Champions League; if we decide not to institute it, there will temporarily be no new members of the EC until a further decision adds them or allows/provides for them to join, but no person or group will be permanently excluded. (ETA: There is an alternative to this proposal in the works, which is currently being drafted by two members of the EC and will be proposed either as an amendment to this one or as an original resolution depending on whether this passes.)

Voting: All members of the Executive Council may submit 0 or 1 vote on this issue by telegram to International Gridiron Champions League. Options are as follows:

(Y) The Executive Council shall accept and enact this proposal as a Resolution. (YES)
(N) The Executive Council shall reject this proposal and keep the status quo for now. (NO)
(A) Abstain from voting. (abstain)

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Second proposal to the Executive Council: ECP#2 Encourage the Drafting of a Constitution
Author: (Image)Free South Califas

Proposal: In a non-binding resolution, the Executive Council shall encourage all members to consider drafting an IGCL Constitution which would set guidelines for the business of the Champions League and the Executive Council henceforth.

Clarification: Nothing would actually happen; this is just a straw poll on whether drafting a Constitution is a priority for the EC right now.

Voting: All members of the Executive Council may submit 0 or 1 vote on this issue by telegram to International Gridiron Champions League. Options are as follows:

(Y) The Executive Council shall accept and enact this proposal as a Resolution. (YES)
(N) The Executive Council shall reject this proposal and keep the status quo for now. (NO)
(A) Abstain from voting. (abstain)

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Third proposal to the Executive Council: ECP#3 Force Large Multi-National Leagues to Send Six Teams
Author: (Image)Free South Califas

Proposal: In a binding resolution which would take effect when entries for IGCL 4 are first received, multi-national leagues of at least 18 teams or more would be not just allowed but forced to send six teams to the IGCL.

Clarification: Unless GAFA significantly shrinks, it and multinational leagues of similar size would be forced to send six teams starting with IGCL 4. Currently, the league's organizer has the right to send 1-6 teams as ze wishes or organize a vote within GAFA to decide the matter. If this passes, six teams will automatically be accepted from such leagues starting with IGCL 4; if it fails, GAFA and other such leagues will continue to be free to decide which and how many teams will be accepted according to its own internal decision-making structure.

Voting: All members of the Executive Council may submit 0 or 1 vote on this issue by telegram to International Gridiron Champions League. Options are as follows:

(Y) The Executive Council shall accept and enact this proposal as a Resolution. (YES)
(N) The Executive Council shall reject this proposal and keep the status quo for now. (NO)
(A) Abstain from voting. (abstain)

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Please be specific about which proposal(s) you are voting on, or send a telegram to my puppet Central North America if you have any questions or complaints

As of now, voting on the above issues will be cut off at the same time as entries to IGCL 3 are (see above).

and now, two new proposals have been provisionally submitted for the second round of voting, which will start on Dec 15 after the first vote results are announced. One of these will be submitted if ECP#1 above passes, and the other will be submitted instead if it fails. Again, the proposals below are not up for vote yet, but are in queue, and I present them to you in the spirit of a less surprised Executive Council on the 15th:

if ECP#1 passes, ECP#4a Sicoutimont Amendment:
Author: Sicoutimont
Co-author: Free South Califas

Proposal: In a statutory revision which would take effect immediately, ECR#1 'Automatically Accept New Members' shall be amended as such:

In a binding resolution which would take effect in the planning stages of after the completion of IGCL 4, the Executive Council shall automatically accept, as an Automatic Member with full voting privileges, each nation or multinational league which has entered a team or teams to the IGCL for a second time participated in two completed IGCL campaigns. (OOC: Unless the same user already controls a nation or league that is currently a member of the Executive Council, or was banned from the Executive Council.)

Clarifications (only true if ECP#1 passes): Would move the acceptance of the first Automatic Members back from pre-IGCL4 to post-IGCL4. The bar of qualification would be slightly raised; users would have to participate in two IGCL campaigns which have been completed, not just entered teams for the second time. Nothing else would change. If this fails, the first Automatic Members will be accepted before IGCL4 begins, as planned (assuming that there are any leagues which join IGCL 3 & 4 but not 1 or 2).

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if ECP#1 fails, ECP#4b Automatically Accept New Members:

Author: Sicoutimont
Co-author: Free South Califas

Proposal: In a binding resolution which would take effect after Solidarity Bowl IV has been completed, the Executive Council shall automatically accept, as Members with full voice and vote, a representative from each league which has participated in two completed IGCL campaigns. (OOC: Unless the same user already controls a league specific to themselves that is currently a member of the Executive Council, or was legally banned from the Executive Council.)

Clarifications (only true if ECP#1 fails): A "Member" admitted in this way is currently no different from a "Charter Member" (all current EC members), but future EC decisions may consider the distinction between the two groups for some reason. If this passes, the first non-charter members will be accepted after Solidarity Bowl IV is concluded, assuming there are eligible leagues at the time. This is one proposal for the automatic expansion of the Executive Council as new participants join the Champions League; if we decide not to institute it, there will temporarily be no new members of the EC until a further decision adds them or allows/provides for them to join, but no person or group will be permanently excluded.

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ETA: I have written a short style guide to help Executive Council members express their opinions as EC proposals. See the link in the bottom left of my signature, or you can reach it through my Factbooks page.

[International Gridiron Champions League]

Anarchies and gentlestates, here is a matter concerning all interested parties;

Back in June, when the future IGCL Executive Council was prefigured by the informal 'Twelve Nation Talks' that would eventually result in an agreement to form the league, there were several competing visions offered with significant overlapping support among the community. Of the models which have not become institutionalized in the Champions League, two seemed to have the most support:

So the real question is... are you going for realism or just a knockout tournament between domestic gridiron teams from different nations? If the former, a rethink is in order, perhaps. [Edit: That comment should not be taken out of its context, which is relatively obscure now.] If the latter, does it matter how many games a team plays?

For what its worth, I'd recommend a seeded single-elimination tournament, like the old European Champion Clubs' Cup (or on NSSports, the Cygnus Cup) where each nation sends their champion, and the holders enter too. For the inaugural tournament, you could just have the host nation send an invitee or something if the numbers are weird, or have a preliminary/qualifying round for the lowest seeds.

My personal suggestion is that two tournaments is excessive for a sport where the community has only gotten active in the last couple weeks. There is nothing wrong with starting with one tournament, and if, in a few months, it's gained traction and domestic american football becomes solid, then consider a second one. Two tournaments is just too much at once for a small, new section of the forum.

If I may outrageously coin two more terms of historical artifice, let us call these two proposals the 'Cygnus Question' and the 'Globe Question', after the analogous tournaments in soccer. Only the Cygnus Question has been indulged to the point of successful experimentation, with the Chahr Gridiron Invitational in Carmadin which pitted all league champions from the IGCL 1 cycle against each other. It is safe to say that the concept is tested and provides fulfilling RP and participation opportunities, though it is unknown how popular either model is at the moment.

During the Twelve Nation Talks, the Globe Question also had significant support, with the chief argument being that gridiron leagues are large, sometimes larger than soccer leagues, and that it would be fair and possibly even fun for the next few teams from each league to participate. The only argument against it was that the domestic gridiron community was just beginning to emerge from a long dormant period, and that it had not yet been institutionally established for several months or more. That argument is no longer valid, except to the extent that associated leagues are unwilling to do the work to organize it.

The twelve nations (

Yesopalitha, Civil Citizenry, Saugeais, Ko-Oren, Carmadin, Osarius, Homelands our, Northern Sunrise Islands, Filopines, Allamunnic States, Newland-America, Free South Califas

) are almost the same as the list of Charter Members of the Executive Council, but the two exceptions may be enough to swing any vote on this issue. With a democratic decision-making process in place, three cycles under our belt, and more associated leagues than ever, now seems like a good time to raise the questions again for discussion. So, here is the first official Non-Binding IGCL Debate; feel free to answer any, all or none of these questions, whether or not you have participated in the Twelve Nation Talks, the Executive Council, etc.:

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[u]First Non-Binding IGCL Debate: "Cygnus & Globe?"[/u]
[b]1. Should we have a Globe-Cup-style tournament for teams that fail to qualify for the IGCL?[/b] [answer here]

[b]1a. What about teams that drop out of the IGCL group stage?[/b] [answer here]

[b]1b. If we should, what should the tournament be called?[/b] [answer here]

[b]1c. Would you be willing to scorinate this tournament?[/b] [answer here]

[b]2. Should we have a Cygnus-Cup-style tournament, strictly for the champion from each league?[/b] [answer here]

[b]2a. How should this relate to the IGCL in official terms, if at all?[/b] [answer here]

[b]2b. If we should, what should the tournament be called? Or should the host make it up hirself?[/b] [answer here]

[b]2c. Would you be willing to scorinate this tournament?[/b] [answer here]

[b]3. Is there any other tournament format or major change to the structure of the IGCL you would propose, even on an experimental basis?[/b] [answer here]

[b]4. If you don't participate in IGCL, do you think you would participate in another tournament? If so, what kind?[/b] [answer here]

Thanks for your interest.
Solidarity,
Luis

[International Gridiron Champions League]

Anarchies and gentlestates, here are some matters concerning the Executive Council and others concerning all interested parties;

‘ISM’ formula 1.0.2, from International Solidarity Magazine - Sports Beat:

old points,
+.02 for each win in any stage
+.01 for reaching the group stage OR +.0125 for reaching the knockout stage

+.0075 for placing fourth OR
+.01 for placing third OR
+.0125 for placing second OR
+.0175 for winning Solidarity Bowl III

or .0025 total for going 0-1

‘ISM’ rankings after IGCL 3	League	IGCL1	Pts	IGCL2	Pts	IGCL3	Result	Pts	TOTAL	RANK
 Jurion Champions		FAL	9-0-1	.1	7-0	.1025	5-1	2nd	.095	.2975	1
 Nocksburg Razorbacks		ALS	9-1-0	.115	5-2	.0725	-----	DNP	-----	.1875	2
 Northport Packers		ALS	-----	----	-----	-----	7-0	Champs!	.17	.17	3
 Frbiba Phoenix			MI7	2-0-4	.02	2-2	.0475	4-2	qtrs	.0925	.16	4
 Glaciers			CRM	7-1-2	.09	5-2	.0675	-----	DNP	-----	.1575	5
 Ardrik Raiders			ALS	-----	----	-----	-----	6-1	3rd	.1425	.1425	6
 Ko-Oren Capitals		K-O	8-0-2	.085	-----	-----	2-2	wc	.0525	.1375	7
 Innsbruck Ravens		ALS	-----	----	5-2	.0625	3-2	qtrs	.0725	.135	8
 Bensville Bulldogs		MI7	3-0-3	.03	0-1	.03	2-2	group	.05	.11	9
 Alara Astronauts		K-O	0-1-2	.005	0-3	.003	4-1	qtr	.0925	.1005	10
 Fahlsburg Bruins		ALS					4-3	4th	.1	.1	11
 Inglewood Sentinels		FSC	-----	----	4-1	.0475	1-3	wc	.0325	.08	12
 South Hampton Lions		YSP	2-0-4	.02	3-1	.0525	-----	DNP	-----	.0725	13
 Boyle Heights Warriors		FSC					3-2	qtrs	.0725	.0725
 Zeldenfar Cameros		ZAN	-----	----	-----	-----	3-1	group	.07	.07	15
 Capua Cardinals		ALS	6-1-1	.07	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.07
 Kingston Lynx			YSP	3-0-4	.035	3-1	.0325	-----	DNP	-----	.0675	17
 South Irswabi Tigers		FAL	6-0-1	.065	0-1	0	-----	DNP	-----	.065	18
 Hogone Tortoises		K-O	6-0-1	.065	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.065
 Sunset Cliffs Eagles		FSC	5-1-2	.06	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.06	20
 Draakurr Jarls			ALS	5-1-2	.06	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.06
 Lac-Seneca Ramblers		SCT	------	-----	-----	-----	2-2	wc	.0525	.0525	22
 Lac-Drouin Tigres		SCT	------	----	-----	-----	2-2	group	.05	.05	23
 Bellmont Grizzlies		GAF	-----	----	0-1	0	2-2	group	.05	.05
 Coastal Zandar Thunder		ZAN	------	-----	-----	-----	2-2	group	.05	.05
 Riverside Raiders		FSC	-----	----	-----	-----	2-2	group	.05	.05
 Southland Seasiders		MI7	4-1-2	.05	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.05
 Filia Chargers			ALS	4-1-2	.05	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.05
 Dunnmaar Destroyers		ALS	-----	----	4-1	.0475	-----	DNP	-----	.0475	29
 Uzhotu Reflect			K-O	-----	----	4-2	.0475	-----	DNP	-----	.0475
 New Schmejgland Saints		MI7	4-0-3	.045	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.045	31
 Dynapolis Dragons		OSR	4-0-4	.045	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.045
 Kovalchuk Mountaineers		MI7	-----	----	3-2	.0375	0-1	dnq	.0025	.04	33
 Thomasburg Ironmongers		ALS	-----	----	3-2	.0375	-----	DNP	-----	.0375	34
 Endev Explosions		K-O	-----	----	3-2	.0375	-----	DNP	-----	.0375
 Pride GC			CRM	-----	----	3-2	.0375	-----	DNP	-----	.0375
 Chestmana Chiefs		OSR	-----	----	3-2	.0375	-----	DNP	-----	.0375
 Chula Vista Clippers		FSC	-----	----	3-2	.0375	-----	DNP	-----	.0375
 Vnoskjulung Moonlight		K-O	-----	----	3-2	.0375	-----	DNP	-----	.0375
 Hayden City Thunder		NSI	3-0-4	.035	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.035	40
 Yrtiba Shock			FAL	1-0-2	.01	2-2	.0225	-----	DNP	-----	.0325	41
 Murbley Mighty Kittens		GAF	-----	----	0-3	.0025	1-2	group	.03	.0325
 La Pinatra Crusaders		FAL	2-2-2	.03	0-1	0	-----	DNP	-----	.03	43
 Utica Bears			OSR	3-0-3	.03	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.03
 Eastern Colts			FLP	2-1-4	.03	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.03
 Kyoshiku Devils		OSR	3-0-3	.03	0-1	0	-----	DNP	-----	.03
 Riviere St-Denis Capitales	SCT					1-2	group	.03	.03
 Mink Dynamo			NSI	0-0-3	0	2-2	.0275	-----	DNP	-----	.0275	48
 Sharks GFC			CRM	2-1-3	.025	0-1	0	-----	DNP	-----	.025	49
 North Hampton Grizzlies	YSP	2-1-3	.025	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.025
 Borgo Bears			CRM	2-1-3	.025	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.025
 Ventura Ranchers		FSC	2-1-3	.025	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.025
 Tireniun Wai			K-O	1-0-2	.01	-----	-----	2-2	wc	.0125	.0225	53
 Ladera Heights Westsiders	FSC	-----	----	2-2	.0225	-----	DNP	-----	.0225
 Yurendam Warriors		OSR	-----	----	2-2	.0225	-----	DNP	-----	.0225
 Lenox Mean Green		YSP	-----	----	2-2	.0225	-----	DNP	-----	.0225
 Lipneh Arrows			CRM	2-0-4	.02	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.02	57
 Janwick Storm			CVC	2-0-4	.02	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.02
 Rosalo Cardinals		FLP	2-0-4	.02	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.02
 Coachella Wanderers		FSC	1-1-4	.015	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.015	60
 Mardi Lopunnies		NSI	-----	----	1-3	.0125	-----	DNP	-----	.0125	61
 Byrd Nationals			NSI	-----	----	1-3	.0125	-----	DNP	-----	.0125
 Tim City Shepherds		DAR	-----	----	1-3	.0125	-----	DNP	-----	.0125
 Seendok Tridents		CRM	-----	----	1-2	.0125	-----	DNP	-----	.0125
 Scott City AC			DAR	-----	----	1-2	.0125	-----	DNP	-----	.0125
 Greeningham Giants		OSR	0-0-3	0	1-2	.0125	-----	DNP	-----	.0125
 Freedom’s Altar Holy Templars	YSP	0-0-3	0	1-2	.0125	-----	DNP	-----	.0125
 Scajaquada Falls White Caps	SCT	-----	----	0-3	.0025	0-3	group	.01	.0125
 Fortunata Whistlers		ZAN	-----------------------------	0-3	group	.01	.01	69
 Charleston Mountaineers	UKC	-----------------------------	0-3	group	.01	.01
 Naracondingshire Jaguars	FLP	1-0-2	.01	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.01
 Long Beach Stevedores		FSC	1-0-2	.01	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.01
 Solar City Coyotes		NSI	1-0-5	.01	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.01
 Makati Eagles			FLP	1-0-2	.01	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.01
 Canondale Aeros		NSI	1-0-5	.01	-----	-----	-----	DNP	-----	.01
 Coreus Phoenixes		GAF			0-1	0	0-3	group	.01	.01
 Bayside Hawks			MI7			0-1	0	0-1	dnq	.0025	.0025	78
 Veydevarj Panthers		GAF			0-1	0	0-1	dnq	.0025	.0025
 Pittsburgh Champions		UKC					0-1	dnq	.0025	.0025
 Engbrothun Destroyers		K-O					0-1	dnq	.0025	.0025
 Dejkerikvik Mountaineers	GAF					0-1	dnq	.0025	.0025
 Galvern Greens			ZAN					0-1	dnq	.0025	.0025
 Minnesota Wolves		UKC					0-1	dnq	.0025	.0025
 New Hampshire Revolutionaries	UKC					0-1	dnq	.0025	.0025
 Palmdale Antelopes		FSC					0-1	dnq	.0025	.0025	(86)

{OOC: A raft of changes were made to the ISM ranking formula to address outstanding issues; we will see how well it works.

• The number of ranking points derived from a win has doubled to compensate for a shorter schedule and to emphasize recent and consistent success over past championships. (That is, to increase the ratio of points derived from wins vs final placement.)
• Teams now get either a bonus for reaching the group stage or a bonus for reaching the knockout stage, not both. Also, the group-stage bonus was quadrupled while the knockout-stage bonus was more than doubled. Finally, teams that go 0-1 in IGCL get a ranking now (0.0025). Theoretically, these changes should give more mobility from the middle to the top, while recognizing the educational value of losing the qualifying game (thus making the bottom of the table more inclusive).
• Championship reward was reduced by 30%, second-place reward was reduced by 18%, third place was left unchanged, but the fourth-place reward was increased by 50%. This is intended to increase parity at the top in the hopes of consistently rewarding the multiple leagues which provide stellar RP, not just one or two which were on top in the IGCL 1 cycle.

Feel free to share your comments, complaints, suggestions, critiques, death threats, etc. regarding the formula and the changes to same. After all, this thread is for discussion, not just for me to hog }

Want more out of your game? Here are some opportunities to participate more richly in the IGCL experience:

Would you like to help the IGCL establish and maintain legitimacy? Here's a few of the things you can do:

• Write a proposal to be considered by the Executive Council - see the link in my signature
• Contribute graphics, especially an IGCL logo and Solidarity Bowl logo(s)
• Run for Delegate or nominate someone else for the role
• Or just submit teams and RP

Please send nominations or applications for Delegate of the Executive Council, by telegram, to International Gridiron Champions League. You may nominate any Member of the Executive Council for the role (all IGCL participants ever, except newcomer Zandistan and puppets Yesopalitha and UK Central North America, and current Delegate Free South Califas which has refused nominations in advance). The role of Delegate may include performing and/or delegating the following duties:

• Collecting entries to the competition and checking them for legality
• Conducting and counting votes for Council decisions (may include receiving and editing proposals with authors' consent)
• Maintaining this account
• Enforcing democratic decisions
• Scorinating the IGCL competition

Applicants may be from inside or outside the Executive Council, but keep in mind that you will have to convince the Council to let you run the ship. If you wish to apply for the role of Delegate, telegram International Gridiron Champions League with a brief explanation of why we should vote for you, which will then be presented to voters on a single ballot along with nominated candidates.

You may refuse nomination in advance by sending a telegram to my puppet Central North America to that effect.

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Anarchies and gentlestates, here is a matter concerning decisions of the Executive Council.

The Executive Council met for the first time and reached a binding decision on all three proposals. ECP#1 Automatically Accept New Members and ECP#2 Encourage the Drafting of a Constitution were defeated, while ECP#3 Force Large Multinational Leagues to Send Six Teams was passed and accordingly became the first Resolution of the Executive Council. As of IGCL 4, multinational leagues of at least 18 teams will now be forced to fill all six possible slots, intended to give individual users more representation while giving multi-user RP competitions a fighting chance to build their rankings with a higher likelihood of returning to multiple editions of the IGCL.

A new measure was put on the agenda for the next meeting:

ECP#4 Automatically Accept New Members
Author: The Imperial Provinces of Sicoutimont
Co-author: The Federated Communities of Free South Califas

Proposal: In a binding resolution which would take effect after Solidarity Bowl IV has been completed, the Executive Council shall automatically accept, as Members with full voice and vote, a representative from each league which has participated in two completed IGCL campaigns. (OOC: Unless the same user already controls a league specific to themselves which is currently a member of the Executive Council, or was legally banned from the Executive Council.)

Clarifications: A "Member" admitted in this way is currently no different from a "Charter Member" (all current EC members), but future EC decisions may consider the distinction between the two groups for some reason. If this passes, the first non-charter members will be accepted after Solidarity Bowl IV is concluded, assuming there are eligible leagues at the time. This is one proposal for the automatic expansion of the Executive Council as new participants join the Champions League; if we decide not to institute it, there will temporarily be no new members of the EC until a further decision adds them or allows/provides for them to join, but no person or group will be permanently excluded.

All members of the Executive Council (OOC: users who have participated in IGCL 1 and/or 2) may vote on ECP#4 by sending a telegram to International Gridiron Champions League. Please vote YES, NO or ABSTAIN, and feel free to include any comment on the issue or the proposal as well. Voting ends in almost exactly 10 days, on Thursday, December 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM (Los Angeles time).

As always, members of the Executive Council and the GAFA-IGCL Committee are welcome to submit proposals or ideas-for-proposals (OOC: to my puppet Central North America).

Additionally, and of slightly broader interest, a new champion of the International Gridiron Champions League has been crowned (see link above in "wrote").

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Finally, anarchies and gentlestates, here is a matter concerning all interested parties.

And now the Office of the Delegate will officially receive entries for IGCL 4, the next round of the competition, which shall be held on or after 0800 Los Angeles time, Monday, January 14, 2013, which is the tentative deadline to submit your teams for now. Entries which have already been submitted will, of course, be counted.

Procedural Notes:

Due to the passage of REC#1 Force Large Multinational Leagues to Send Six Teams, participating MNLs with more than 18 teams are required to send the maximum 6 teams to IGCL 4. If the post does not specify that many teams, more will be added from the league's results, starting with the best finisher, until 6 teams are received from that league.

Unless changed by vote, the following traditional IGCL rules are still in effect:[list][*]All leagues may send 1-4 teams, except for multinational leagues of 17 teams or fewer, which may send 1-6 teams. A domestic league may be composed of any number of teams.
[*]The league champion(s) must be represented among this list.
[*]Your teams must be chosen in a reasonable way from the results of your latest domestic season(s)/campaign(s). You may choose to re-send your teams from IGCL 3 without scorinating new results, as long as you scorinated a league in the IGCL 3 cycle (you didn't just use the same trick last time). If you do this, your #1 entry will no longer be treated as a league champion for IGCL seeding purposes, and might even miss the group stage.
[*]The IGCL champion always returns. If they fail to qualify through normal pathways in

Allamunnic States

,

Northport Packers

will enter the IGCL group stage independently without any intervention by that user being necessary.
[*]Each OOC user may submit no more than 2 leagues, 1 of which may be a multi-national league (see above).
[*]In-character host bids for the Solidarity Bowl (grand final) are welcomed and should include a picture of the stadium, capacity and a description.

If no host bids are received in IGCL 4, Solidarity Bowl IV and the third-place game will default to Buffalo War Memorial Stadium in Buffalo, New York, UK Central North America. Unless otherwise mandated by the Executive Council, the Delegate currently serving when the first IGCL 4 score is posted shall reserve the option to change the default hosting site to any of hir choosing.

Good luck and have fun!

Solidarity,
Luis

[German American States]

Well football is the main sport here (that is, this country), followed by for instance tennis, field hockey and korfbal. Basketball is small here, baseball is very small here (although we're world champions) and ice hockey is tiny. American football only has a few teams nationwide.

What the hell is "korfbal"? Cope with my American ignorance, my friends.

[Free South Califas]

Well football is the main sport here (that is, this country), followed by for instance tennis, field hockey and korfbal. Basketball is small here, baseball is very small here (although we're world champions) and ice hockey is tiny. American football only has a few teams nationwide.

What the hell is "korfbal"? Cope with my American ignorance, my friends.

Korfball, like other sports, can be researched easily with Wikipedia, even if you are from the US. It's not really pertinent to this thread, which is for discussing the domestic gridiron leagues of NS Sports.

[International Gridiron Champions League]

There is less than one day left to vote on this measure, and only one vote has been received so far:

Business of the Executive Council

Anarchies and gentlestates,

Your voice was heard in the last round of voting, defeating ECP#1 Automatically Accept New Members that would have automatically added members to the Executive Council after signing up for a second edition of the IGCL. Additionally, two specific objections to ECP#1 were heard; one member felt that new leagues should be admitted to the EC after participating in two completed editions and submitted a proposal to that effect, while the other preferred for the EC to add members manually, and thus far has not yet come forward with a proposal. The author of ECP#4 has asked for it to be voted on as soon as feasibly possible, so without intending to preference any opinion on the structure of the Executive Council over a competing vision, I present the second take on AANM:

ECP#4 Automatically Accept New Members
Author: The Imperial Provinces of Sicoutimont
Co-author: The Federated Communities of Free South Califas

Proposal: In a binding resolution which would take effect after Solidarity Bowl IV has been completed, the Executive Council shall automatically accept, as Members with full voice and vote, a representative from each league which has participated in two completed IGCL campaigns. (OOC: Unless the same user already controls a league specific to themselves which is currently a member of the Executive Council, or was legally banned from the Executive Council.)

Clarifications: A "Member" admitted in this way is currently no different from a "Charter Member" (all current EC members), but future EC decisions may consider the distinction between the two groups for some reason. If this passes, the first non-charter members will be accepted after Solidarity Bowl IV is concluded, assuming there are eligible leagues at the time. This is one proposal for the automatic expansion of the Executive Council as new participants join the Champions League; if we decide not to institute it, there will temporarily be no new members of the EC until a further decision adds them or allows/provides for them to join, but no person or group will be permanently excluded.

All members of the Executive Council (OOC: users who have participated in IGCL 1 and/or 2) may vote on ECP#4 by sending a telegram to International Gridiron Champions League. Please vote YES, NO or ABSTAIN, and feel free to include any comment on the issue or the proposal as well. Voting ends in almost exactly 10 days, on Thursday, December 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM (Los Angeles time).

As always, members of the Executive Council and the GAFA-IGCL Committee are welcome to submit proposals or ideas-for-proposals (OOC: to my puppet Central North America).