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Postby Carmadin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:40 pm

Yes sir! As has been discussed in the WC Discussion thread, the players of NS Sports are creating a new code of football (not football as in soccer, football as in the category of sports that encompasses Association Football (soccer), Rugby Football, and its subcodes of League and Union, etc, etc.
I aim for this to become a game completely unique to NS, and hopefully it will gain a strong, strong following here.
Anyway, the game is not yet created. There have been some suggestions on the World Cup thread, and if the people who made them would kindly post them here, we can get rolling. In the future, the spoiler below will be edited to contain the rules that the community has agreed on. Please note that at this point, everything is up in the air.

I would ask that you be kind and respectful of other's opinions and ideas at all times while discussing this new sport. After all, if we can't work together, this thing will never, ever get done!

So now, begin! And may Margaret be with us all!

Wikipedia wrote:The various codes of football share the following common elements:
  • Two teams of usually between 11 and 18 players; some variations that have fewer players (five or more per team) are also popular.
  • A clearly defined area in which to play the game.
  • Scoring goals or points, by moving the ball to an opposing team's end of the field and either into a goal area, or over a line.
  • Goals or points resulting from players putting the ball between two goalposts.
  • The goal or line being defended by the opposing team.
  • Players being required to move the ball—depending on the code—by kicking, carrying, or hand-passing the ball.
  • Players using only their body to move the ball.
In most codes, there are rules restricting the movement of players offside, and players scoring a goal must put the ball either under or over a crossbar between the goalposts.


This link has the rules of Community Football
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Postby Cyborg Holland » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:57 pm

Might well work....

Okay, we'll start with 7 players on each side, working towards a goal, which is in a 'D' (like in Hockey). Standard scoring like football

Just tossing ideas into the ring...
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Postby Retro Lyra » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:00 pm

Almost every popular sport uses a ball of some sort. To be special and "different", lets' use something not... er, a ball. :p

Just throwing around ideas...
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Postby Russian-German Empire » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:01 pm

Retro Lyra wrote:Almost every popular sport uses a ball of some sort. To be special and "different", lets use something not invloving a ball. :p



Like.....A CANNON BALL!
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Postby Carmadin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:02 pm

Retro Lyra wrote:Almost every popular sport uses a ball of some sort. To be special and "different", lets use something not invloving a ball. :p

Somehow, I don't see a code of football (what we're working towards, and indeed the only guideline currently in place :p ) working without a ball....

Unless it could somehow be like Kabaddi? :?:
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Postby Cyborg Holland » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:03 pm

Retro Lyra wrote:Almost every popular sport uses a ball of some sort. To be special and "different", lets' use something not... er, a ball. :p

Just throwing around ideas...


No, I think if this is a new sport, people need to be able to accsess, understand it easily, and a game without a ball would be confusing. Anyway, "New Code of Football" presumably requires a ball

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Postby Retro Lyra » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:05 pm

Cyborg Holland wrote:
Retro Lyra wrote:Almost every popular sport uses a ball of some sort. To be special and "different", lets' use something not... er, a ball. :p

Just throwing around ideas...


No, I think if this is a new sport, people need to be able to accsess, understand it easily, and a game without a ball would be confusing. Anyway, "New Code of Football" presumably requires a ball

:)

I understand your concern, but I just think it would make it more... "special". However, I understand if this won't work.
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Postby Carmadin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:09 pm

Retro Lyra wrote:
Cyborg Holland wrote:
No, I think if this is a new sport, people need to be able to accsess, understand it easily, and a game without a ball would be confusing. Anyway, "New Code of Football" presumably requires a ball

:)

I understand your concern, but I just think it would make it more... "special". However, I understand if this won't work.


What the aim was when I thought it up was a sport that could be easily understood, ICly accepted by the diverse cultures we have here, OOCly be easy to RP, but still offer a unique RPing experience. A game that many nations could have leagues of, a game that would have a popular world cup, a game that could come close to the popularity of Football (if we're really, really, really lucky). For that, I think a ball would be nessescary.
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Postby Retro Lyra » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:13 pm

Carmadin wrote:
Retro Lyra wrote:I understand your concern, but I just think it would make it more... "special". However, I understand if this won't work.


What the aim was when I thought it up was a sport that could be easily understood, ICly accepted by the diverse cultures we have here, OOCly be easy to RP, but still offer a unique RPing experience. A game that many nations could have leagues of, a game that would have a popular world cup, a game that could come close to the popularity of Football (if we're really, really, really lucky). For that, I think a ball would be nessescary.


*shrugs* It's your opnion, and I respect that. However, let the public decide. If they want a ball, they got a ball. Let's agree to that, since a disagrement won't help anything.
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Postby Carmadin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:14 pm

Retro Lyra wrote:
Carmadin wrote:
What the aim was when I thought it up was a sport that could be easily understood, ICly accepted by the diverse cultures we have here, OOCly be easy to RP, but still offer a unique RPing experience. A game that many nations could have leagues of, a game that would have a popular world cup, a game that could come close to the popularity of Football (if we're really, really, really lucky). For that, I think a ball would be nessescary.


*shrugs* It's your opnion, and I respect that. However, let the public decide. If they want a ball, they got a ball. Let's agree to that, since a disagrement won't help anything.

This is true, thank you for being so reasonable :)
If you have any other ideas, feel free to post them :)
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Postby Cyborg Holland » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:16 pm

I think it should have balls

*tee hee*

Car, did thoust see my first suggestions. What do you think?
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Postby Michael VII » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:18 pm

About the whole, ball or no ball thing...As we've decided that this is a new code of Football. One would presume that it would require, you know, a ball! :p
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Postby Retro Lyra » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:22 pm

Carmadin wrote:
Retro Lyra wrote:
*shrugs* It's your opnion, and I respect that. However, let the public decide. If they want a ball, they got a ball. Let's agree to that, since a disagrement won't help anything.

This is true, thank you for being so reasonable :)
If you have any other ideas, feel free to post them :)


No problem. I'm tired of seeing whiney kids on NS screaming because they can't get their way. I try to be as polite as possible not just because it is the right thing to do, but to set an example, you know? Anyway. Who has ever seen/read Harry Potter? It would be cool to have a sport like Quidditch...
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Postby Megadia » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:23 pm

Carmadin wrote:
Retro Lyra wrote:I understand your concern, but I just think it would make it more... "special". However, I understand if this won't work.


What the aim was when I thought it up was a sport that could be easily understood, ICly accepted by the diverse cultures we have here, OOCly be easy to RP, but still offer a unique RPing experience. A game that many nations could have leagues of, a game that would have a popular world cup, a game that could come close to the popularity of Football (if we're really, really, really lucky). For that, I think a ball would be nessescary.


I was thinking about "Longball". In which you use a ball that's like a slightly flattened and stretched rugby ball. It's played on a circle pitch with a short triangle goal on each side and there is a triangle penalty area on each side in front of the goals. On top of each goal are 3 tall hoops like in Quidditch.

Players must run with the ball held out in front of them and their hands must be covering no more than half of the ball. Opposition players tackle by "popping" in which they knock the ball out of the player's hands.

Players score in the triangle goals by throwing or kicking the ball but they cannot score from inside the penalty area and you receive 2 points from scoring this way. You may also kick the ball through one of the three hoops. The middle hoop is worth 5 points and the outer hoops are worth 3. If you score a penalty you get 1 point.


Now you write the rest of the rules...:)

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Postby Retro Lyra » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:27 pm

Megadia wrote:
Carmadin wrote:
What the aim was when I thought it up was a sport that could be easily understood, ICly accepted by the diverse cultures we have here, OOCly be easy to RP, but still offer a unique RPing experience. A game that many nations could have leagues of, a game that would have a popular world cup, a game that could come close to the popularity of Football (if we're really, really, really lucky). For that, I think a ball would be nessescary.


I was thinking about "Longball". In which you use a ball that's like a slightly flattened and stretched rugby ball. It's played on a circle pitch with a short triangle goal on each side and there is a triangle penalty area on each side in front of the goals. On top of each goal are 3 tall hoops like in Quidditch.

Players must run with the ball held out in front of them and their hands must be covering no more than half of the ball. Opposition players tackle by "popping" in which they knock the ball out of the player's hands.

Players score in the triangle goals by throwing or kicking the ball but they cannot score from inside the penalty area and you receive 2 points from scoring this way. You may also kick the ball through one of the three hoops. The middle hoop is worth 5 points and the outer hoops are worth 3. If you score a penalty you get 1 point.


Now you write the rest of the rules...:)


Hah! I mentioned Qudditch too. I like the "popping" idea; can we keep that?
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Retro Lyra wrote:So, does this mean that since I'm white and my boyfriend is spanish he's going to rob all my money from me, scream "Hasta la vista!", and drive off into the sunset in a stolen car? Good to know.

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Postby Auttumn » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:31 pm

My nation already has a sport. Its called Fallball. The field has a bunch of trees and shrubs as obstacles. The ball is brown and similar to a soccer ball. You have to dodge the obstacles and the enemy players and shoot the ball through a giant hole in a board. Based on the hole number you get points. There are 4 teams. Fighting and stradegy is involved. During winter or other climate changes we add challenges to the game. We want to get the sport more large throughout the nation.
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Postby Wight » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:33 pm

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Postby Liventia » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:35 pm

It's a decent idea Carmadin, but you're going to have to take charge here, as Wight said. This is already turning into "let's try to include as many RL sports as possible into this", when what you really want is something original rather than a mashup.
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Postby Megadia » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:35 pm

Wight wrote:Well there you go, straight away, something to debate and maybe agree upon... do we use a ball? It's a good meaty question. As I said to Carmadin in a TG, once there is some interest from a number of people, it would be a good idea to start setting a topic for discussion and focusing on that until it's pretty much decided, and then moving on to the next. So one early question which will be key to all future thinking would be - do we use a ball? And what sort of ball?

Personally, I like ball sports. Especially if it's a football-type game.

Another early one to debate would be the field or arena of play. Like shape, size, number of surfaces (like do we use walls? A ceiling?), and whether we have a level playing field, like literally. But maybe we should save that until the ball issue is settled.

Well done Carmadin, I think this could be a very interesting project. What it will need from you, Carmadin, in the Chair, is some focus and holding the house to order - let all the ideas flow, encourage the most leftfield contributions of course, but try not to let this thread descend into madness! (Unless the sport is specifically for the mad, whatever that might mean). So no pressure...

Good job! Like it!


Did you miss this?:

I was thinking about "Longball". In which you use a ball that's like a slightly flattened and stretched rugby ball. It's played on a circle pitch with a short triangle goal on each side and there is a triangle penalty area on each side in front of the goals. On top of each goal are 3 tall hoops like in Quidditch.

Players must run with the ball held out in front of them and their hands must be covering no more than half of the ball. Opposition players tackle by "popping" in which they knock the ball out of the player's hands.

Players score in the triangle goals by throwing or kicking the ball but they cannot score from inside the penalty area and you receive 2 points from scoring this way. You may also kick the ball through one of the three hoops. The middle hoop is worth 5 points and the outer hoops are worth 3. If you score a penalty you get 1 point.


Now you write the rest of the rules...

I think it's pretty much settled that we'll use a ball.

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Postby Megadia » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:40 pm

Wight wrote:
Megadia wrote:
Did you miss this?:

I was thinking about "Longball". In which you use a ball that's like a slightly flattened and stretched rugby ball. It's played on a circle pitch with a short triangle goal on each side and there is a triangle penalty area on each side in front of the goals. On top of each goal are 3 tall hoops like in Quidditch.

Players must run with the ball held out in front of them and their hands must be covering no more than half of the ball. Opposition players tackle by "popping" in which they knock the ball out of the player's hands.

Players score in the triangle goals by throwing or kicking the ball but they cannot score from inside the penalty area and you receive 2 points from scoring this way. You may also kick the ball through one of the three hoops. The middle hoop is worth 5 points and the outer hoops are worth 3. If you score a penalty you get 1 point.


Now you write the rest of the rules...

I think it's pretty much settled that we'll use a ball.


Is it? Because you said so?


No, it's just that we just seem to be arguing over what sort of ball/ball-sport so it seems most likely that we will be using a ball...

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Postby Roosdaal » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:43 pm

Why don't use more than one ball. Just like in harry potter :)
Or you can have more than 2 goals.
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Postby Wight » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:44 pm

Megadia wrote:
No, it's just that we just seem to be arguing over what sort of ball/ball-sport so it seems most likely that we will be using a ball...


Nobody is arguing Megadia. Debating. Which is healthy. And you'll note I'm in favour. But I'm also in favour of listening to other opinions, and not rushing into something that will fall on its face because it wasn't thought through.

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Postby Damanucus » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:06 pm

I found this when I was doing research on the basics of the football codes:
Wikipedia wrote:The various codes of football share the following common elements:
  • Two teams of usually between 11 and 18 players; some variations that have fewer players (five or more per team) are also popular.
  • A clearly defined area in which to play the game.
  • Scoring goals or points, by moving the ball to an opposing team's end of the field and either into a goal area, or over a line.
  • Goals or points resulting from players putting the ball between two goalposts.
  • The goal or line being defended by the opposing team.
  • Players being required to move the ball—depending on the code—by kicking, carrying, or hand-passing the ball.
  • Players using only their body to move the ball.
In most codes, there are rules restricting the movement of players offside, and players scoring a goal must put the ball either under or over a crossbar between the goalposts.

I think, if we use this as a launch point, we could actually create a pretty good, new code of football. (And who knows? We may be able to play it in real life.) I know Cyborg Holland had some pretty good ideas:
Cyborg Holland wrote:Okay, we'll start with 7 players on each side, working towards a goal, which is in a 'D' (like in Hockey).

I'll add in that we could use a ball shaped a little differently to what exists as well. Soccer and Gaelic football uses a spherical ball, AFL and rugby use a prolate spheroid, so maybe we should try a shape that is a little different, like, for example, a scalene ellipsoid, or maybe even an egg-shaped ball (just to make things a little more unpredictable).
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Postby Freres La Cote » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:51 pm

I thought about a fictionnal sport myself, I cannot inlude in my sci-fi works. here it is, ( it's just a pick and choose basket, I don't pretend my Idea being that awesome it have to been taken literally):
- Nine players each side, with five replacements players: one ball thrower, four contact player, and four side runner. There is two replacements for each exepted for the ball thrower, which has one replacement.
- A ball, small and round, almost the size of a volleyball one, I will gave more details about it later, it's important
- A circular game zone, two hundred yards wide, with a inner circle twenty yards wide to put the ball in game, and no other ground mark, expect under the goals zones
- Four minor goal zones, materialized by small metalic rings, stuck to the arena wall and diving each side in three equal parts, six feets above the ground.
- Two major goal zones, materialized by basketball like goals, ten feet above ground, and a groundmark wich put a limit of thirty yards around the basket.

Starting the game:
- Each team face the other, his main goal in the back, covering half of the central circle. The ball lay in the center of the circle, and no one exepted the ball thrower could rush to took control over it. After that, each team can start to move.

Rules:
- You can assault a member of the other team who don't carry the ball
- You're allowed to take him down, but not to beat him. All martial arts throwing down technics are allowed, until they don't imply to punch. Grabbing or pushing is allowed.
- Having the ball crossing one sidegoal made one point. One team making the ball crossing each four goals without letting the other team marking a point double the count, and make 8 points.
-One goal at the opponents main goal gave 4 points. If done following the "special" action described before, it also double the count (8+4*2) and make 24 points.
- The game is divided in two equal sessions of forty minutes. If the game is winner is undetermined, is declared winner the team with the best stats which are: domination (mesured with the length of control of the ball), teamwork (mesured in number of balle xchange within team members), is added a malus for each time the ball it the ground, even after a goal, and a bonus for agressive game (number of assaults)
- No move is forbidden to make a ball crossing a ring, even teamwork and acrobats moves, if you could perform it while being bullied by nine fully armored athletes
- Timeout is allowed if a player is wounded. There is no other possible reason to obtain one, because of the ball and arena specificities. The trainer could use this time to change is strategy, and could make as many change as pleased. Timeout length is determined by the medical team action duration, and is stopped when each team count nine members on the playground. It's strictly forbidden to volountary keep players out of the gamezone to gain time. If one team did so, they immediately lose the game. If both did so, game is cancelled and in a championship, the game is considered as a defeat for each team.

Equipments and particularities:
- Each team got a full body armor, gum shield, integral helmet, shoulderpad, jockstrap, torso armor, elbowlepad, kneepad, leg plate, enforced gloves, enforced sport shoes and enforced but mobile anklepad. Everything is just plastic, but strong enough to resist to a weirdo armed with a baseball bat. each piece of armor contain a nominative rfid tag.
- The ball itself is special. It contain many electronics, and detect itself wich team own the ball, and so, which one make a point at the corner goals. Also, it's heavy (around fifteen pounds) and magnetized, as the goals, but they repeal the ball after it crossed the ring, increasing it's speed, and augmenting the difficulty to keep it in control for a team. The ball detect who own the ball, mesure how long, detect each time it cross a ring, and which kind of ring exactly, counting the points, and knowing who and when exactly. Also, it contain some gadget which are randomly activated during a game: a oil leaking from small holes covering the whole ball, ensuring hard time to catch and keep the ball, a weak electric shock device, designed to make the carrier losing is grasp on the ball, and it could set itself in fire, only if no player is detected within a range of forty yards, to ensure safety, while forcing teams to play a whole different game during the flaming thing, and a set of retractable spikes following the same rules and playing the same role as the flame thing, even if a player could try to handle it at is own risks.
-The arena is a dome, made of bulletproof glass, preventing the ball to leave the gamezone. Sliding doors gave acces to the replacement benches, and the changing room. They are designed to match perfectly the curve of the arena, and they present exactly the same properties than the rest of the arena walls.
- The ground is made of rubber covering a concrete surface, strong enough to be stable, but soft enough to ensure a good landing when players are throwed throug air. If the ball is set on fire and melt the coating, it's to the players to avoid the zone!

I hope you like the ideas, and I loved to invent this game anyway!
Last edited by Freres La Cote on Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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