World Baseball Classic Discussion Thread

[Saintland]

Speaking of discord, does anyone have a link?

https://discord.gg/Dd2nnPu

[Frenline Delpha]

After some discussion on Discord, I have decided to put forward an amendment to clarify the meaning of the Council Eligibility portion of the Constitution, which currently reads as follows:



I propose that the above be changed to read as follows:



My understanding is that the above amendment proposal does not alter the meaning of the Constitution, but merely clarifies it. If this is not the case, I am willing to adjust my amendment accordingly.

I second this amendment.

I third this amendment.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

I second this amendment.

I third this amendment.

That would be a fourth.... You forgot me. And i think we only need a second, maybe a third, but we definitely don't need a fourth or more to have a vote. So Schiltz or I should conduct one concurrent with host voting.

[Newmanistan]

My understanding is that the above amendment proposal does not alter the meaning of the Constitution, but merely clarifies it. If this is not the case, I am willing to adjust my amendment accordingly.

Looks like you are eliminating the allowance for a nation that failed to post roster/RP in the prior two WBC's to redeem themselves in the upcoming WBC without having to be voted on again. For example, a council member who may not have posted roster/RP in WBC 36 & 37, would get WBC 38 to redeem themselves and not have to be put up for a re-vote after WBC 38 under the current clause (though someone else mentioned clause interpretation may not have been this). With your amendment, they would be up for a re-vote. So, there is a change with this amendment.

It's a change that I would fourth/fifth if I could so certainly do not feel the need to adjust it.

[Schiltzberg]

My understanding is that the above amendment proposal does not alter the meaning of the Constitution, but merely clarifies it. If this is not the case, I am willing to adjust my amendment accordingly.

Looks like you are eliminating the allowance for a nation that failed to post roster/RP in the prior two WBC's to redeem themselves in the upcoming WBC without having to be voted on again. For example, a council member who may not have posted roster/RP in WBC 36 & 37, would get WBC 38 to redeem themselves and not have to be put up for a re-vote after WBC 38 under the current clause (though someone else mentioned clause interpretation may not have been this). With your amendment, they would be up for a re-vote. So, there is a change with this amendment.

It's a change that I would fourth/fifth if I could so certainly do not feel the need to adjust it.

I support the amendment, contingent on fixing the flaw that Newmanistan pointed out.

[Maklohi Vai]

Looks like you are eliminating the allowance for a nation that failed to post roster/RP in the prior two WBC's to redeem themselves in the upcoming WBC without having to be voted on again. For example, a council member who may not have posted roster/RP in WBC 36 & 37, would get WBC 38 to redeem themselves and not have to be put up for a re-vote after WBC 38 under the current clause (though someone else mentioned clause interpretation may not have been this). With your amendment, they would be up for a re-vote. So, there is a change with this amendment.

It's a change that I would fourth/fifth if I could so certainly do not feel the need to adjust it.

I support the amendment, contingent on fixing the flaw that Newmanistan pointed out.

I as well.

[Ethane]

I don't think it should be amended. I feel if you don't rp in two in a row, you should be out. Three I feel is a little generous.

[Gotalanda]

Voting has now concluded. The results are in:

Schiltzberg: 5
Gregoryisgodistan: 3

Thus, Schiltzberg is elected to serve as WBC President. Congratulations! Your term begins now and runs until after WBC 40. Your first duty is to pick a vice president to serve and then conduct host voting when it closes on Friday. Condolences to Greg for finishing second.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Voting has now concluded. The results are in:

Schiltzberg: 5
Gregoryisgodistan: 3

Thus, Schiltzberg is elected to serve as WBC President. Congratulations! Your term begins now and runs until after WBC 40. Your first duty is to pick a vice president to serve and then conduct host voting when it closes on Friday. Condolences to Greg for finishing second.

Congrats, Schiltz. You'll do a great job, I'm sure. And don't forget voting on the amendment.

[Schiltzberg]

Voting has now concluded. The results are in:

Schiltzberg: 5
Gregoryisgodistan: 3

Thus, Schiltzberg is elected to serve as WBC President. Congratulations! Your term begins now and runs until after WBC 40. Your first duty is to pick a vice president to serve and then conduct host voting when it closes on Friday. Condolences to Greg for finishing second.

Thank you to all who supported me, and I will do my best to represent you all. I hereby appoint Frenline Delpha as my Vice President. He has always been my partner inside and outside of this tournament, and he has always supported me. I think that it would be fitting if he was my Vice President. Thank you.

Voting has now concluded. The results are in:

Schiltzberg: 5
Gregoryisgodistan: 3

Thus, Schiltzberg is elected to serve as WBC President. Congratulations! Your term begins now and runs until after WBC 40. Your first duty is to pick a vice president to serve and then conduct host voting when it closes on Friday. Condolences to Greg for finishing second.

Congrats, Schiltz. You'll do a great job, I'm sure. And don't forget voting on the amendment.

Thank you, and I will make sure that the amendment gets voted on. Also, I am wondering if we could possibly get the Hall of Fame ready for a vote, and maybe make that an amendment to the constitution as well. I'm not sure if that is worthy of an amendment to the constitution. What do you guys think of this?

Edit: Frenline, I think you had the Hall of Fame thing in the works still. Where do we stand as far as if it would be ready to be voted on by Friday?

[Ethane]

Congratulations to Schiltzberg, a well-deserving president in what was a crowded field. I wish him, and his Vice-President Frenline Delpha the best in serving out their term to the best of their capabilities.

Condolences to Gregoryisgodistan, who was also capable and well-deserving of the role, and thank you to the outgoing president for serving out the term well.

[Frenline Delpha]

Thank you, and I will make sure that the amendment gets voted on. Also, I am wondering if we could possibly get the Hall of Fame ready for a vote, and maybe make that an amendment to the constitution as well. I'm not sure if that is worthy of an amendment to the constitution. What do you guys think of this?

Edit: Frenline, I think you had the Hall of Fame thing in the works still. Where do we stand as far as if it would be ready to be voted on by Friday?

I think it's ready to go, but if anyone else wants to comment, they can find the proposed amendment here. Just send me a TG if you want to be able to add comments.

[Schiltzberg]

Thank you, and I will make sure that the amendment gets voted on. Also, I am wondering if we could possibly get the Hall of Fame ready for a vote, and maybe make that an amendment to the constitution as well. I'm not sure if that is worthy of an amendment to the constitution. What do you guys think of this?

Edit: Frenline, I think you had the Hall of Fame thing in the works still. Where do we stand as far as if it would be ready to be voted on by Friday?

I think it's ready to go, but if anyone else wants to comment, they can find the proposed amendment here. Just send me a TG if you want to be able to add comments.

The only thing that I am kind of contemplating is whether or not to include the option of actually voting someone into the Hall of Fame. I feel like this will just make the whole process so complicated, having to figure out who would be eligible to be voted on, and it would be easier if it was simply based off of points. Of course, that is easy for me to say, since I would have 24 points under the current draft, so if anybody else has other ideas, it would be good to get them out there. I just feel like the voting process would be really complicated, and it would be easier to just base it off of points. Plus, then there is less controversy over whether or not a person is worthy or not of being entered into the HOF, because the designated amount of points would define what you need to do to be considered "worthy."

[Frenline Delpha]

I think it's ready to go, but if anyone else wants to comment, they can find the proposed amendment here. Just send me a TG if you want to be able to add comments.

The only thing that I am kind of contemplating is whether or not to include the option of actually voting someone into the Hall of Fame. I feel like this will just make the whole process so complicated, having to figure out who would be eligible to be voted on, and it would be easier if it was simply based off of points. Of course, that is easy for me to say, since I would have 24 points under the current draft, so if anybody else has other ideas, it would be good to get them out there. I just feel like the voting process would be really complicated, and it would be easier to just base it off of points. Plus, then there is less controversy over whether or not a person is worthy or not of being entered into the HOF, because the designated amount of points would define what you need to do to be considered "worthy."

The ten tournament rule is fo rthose rare nations who may have quite the longevity,but who just never had much luck when the tournament came around. However, I can see how a council vote could end up unfiarly, so I've edited it to better reflect my main idea. After all, ten points shouldn't be too hard over ten years.

[Schiltzberg]

The only thing that I am kind of contemplating is whether or not to include the option of actually voting someone into the Hall of Fame. I feel like this will just make the whole process so complicated, having to figure out who would be eligible to be voted on, and it would be easier if it was simply based off of points. Of course, that is easy for me to say, since I would have 24 points under the current draft, so if anybody else has other ideas, it would be good to get them out there. I just feel like the voting process would be really complicated, and it would be easier to just base it off of points. Plus, then there is less controversy over whether or not a person is worthy or not of being entered into the HOF, because the designated amount of points would define what you need to do to be considered "worthy."

The ten tournament rule is fo rthose rare nations who may have quite the longevity,but who just never had much luck when the tournament came around. However, I can see how a council vote could end up unfiarly, so I've edited it to better reflect my main idea. After all, ten points shouldn't be too hard over ten years.

Okay, I see your point in that not many nations are going to make it to ten seasons, and I think that the ten point requirement would weed out those undeserving. I think that that resolves my issue with that section of the amendment.

[Drawkland]

Is there only able to be one inductee per WBC or can it be multiple?

[Frenline Delpha]

Is there only able to be one inductee per WBC or can it be multiple?

Inductions will be after each WBC if any nation not already in the HoF earns enough points. So, there can be more than one per WBC.

[Drawkland]

Is there only able to be one inductee per WBC or can it be multiple?

Inductions will be after each WBC if any nation not already in the HoF earns enough points. So, there can be more than one per WBC.

Oh, alright. Will retroactive inductions be applied?

[Frenline Delpha]

Inductions will be after each WBC if any nation not already in the HoF earns enough points. So, there can be more than one per WBC.

Oh, alright. Will retroactive inductions be applied?

Yep. I even ammended the proposal to include this bit:

Section Seven: A nation that has Ceased to Exist (hereby referred to as CTE’d) may still be admitted into the Hall of Fame if they had enough points to qualify for the Hall of Fame before they CTE’d.

[Newmanistan]

I do want to chime in with some historical background concerning earlier classics and my own opinions on the HOF, but probably too busy today IRL to put much thought into it.

[Frenline Delpha]

I do want to chime in with some historical background concerning earlier classics and my own opinions on the HOF, but probably too busy today IRL to put much thought into it.

We'd appreciate that historic insight if you ever find the time. It'd be great to learn even more about old classics.

[Schiltzberg]

I do want to chime in with some historical background concerning earlier classics and my own opinions on the HOF, but probably too busy today IRL to put much thought into it.

We'd appreciate that historic insight if you ever find the time. It'd be great to learn even more about old classics.

I just thought about something. What if a nation's puppet has points for the HOF? Do we give the points to the main nation? For example, do we give Saintland points for Ilyseum's co-hosting of WBC 37? I think that we should, but only in the case that the main nation did not also participate. For example, if Schiltzberg participates and puppet New Schiltzberg also participates, then in the case that New Schiltzberg won, then the main nation would not get points, but then if New Schiltzberg wins and Schiltzberg does not participate, then Schiltzberg gets points for that, since New Schiltzberg was acting as the main nation. It's an idea.

[Nova Anglicana]

What about points for serving as WBC President? I realize that it is unlikely that a nation would have been elected president without having been successful enough to be inducted, but since the IRL HoF recognizes commissioners, it's something we might want to consider.

Side note: I don't suggest this because of any benefit to me. I currently come in at the 10 seasons, 10 points qualification.

[Frenline Delpha]

What about points for serving as WBC President? I realize that it is unlikely that a nation would have been elected president without having been successful enough to be inducted, but since the IRL HoF recognizes commissioners, it's something we might want to consider.

Side note: I don't suggest this because of any benefit to me. I currently come in at the 10 seasons, 10 points qualification.

Would four points for a full term presidency and 2 points for a partial presidency work?

And during what tournament did the presidency start? That way I or Schiltz could figure out who got points for a presidency.

[Frenline Delpha]

We'd appreciate that historic insight if you ever find the time. It'd be great to learn even more about old classics.

I just thought about something. What if a nation's puppet has points for the HOF? Do we give the points to the main nation? For example, do we give Saintland points for Ilyseum's co-hosting of WBC 37? I think that we should, but only in the case that the main nation did not also participate. For example, if Schiltzberg participates and puppet New Schiltzberg also participates, then in the case that New Schiltzberg won, then the main nation would not get points, but then if New Schiltzberg wins and Schiltzberg does not participate, then Schiltzberg gets points for that, since New Schiltzberg was acting as the main nation. It's an idea.

That's a hood question. It might be a good idea, since it is by person, since two nations run by the same person can't be in the HoF.