World Baseball Classic Discussion Thread

[Jeckland]

When will the Council votes on Abanhfleft and Patistan take place?

I think it's probably a more pressing issue to figure out who's actually in charge here first.

[Kaboomlandia]

Figures. An unranked team that posted a roster, but hasn't RPed, beat the number seven team in the world and clinched Group H.

Baseball scorinators are a mystery to me.

[Frenline Delpha]

Figures. An unranked team that posted a roster, but hasn't RPed, beat the number seven team in the world and clinched Group H.

Baseball scorinators are a mystery to me.

In my first WBC, my team has clinched a round of 16 spot. I am so over-joyed roght now.

[Kaboomlandia]

Figures. An unranked team that posted a roster, but hasn't RPed, beat the number seven team in the world and clinched Group H.

Baseball scorinators are a mystery to me.

In my first WBC, my team has clinched a round of 16 spot. I am so over-joyed roght now.

And yet nobody's actually been eliminated in Group C yet. There's four teams at 4-5, one at 5-4, and you.

[Frenline Delpha]

In my first WBC, my team has clinched a round of 16 spot. I am so over-joyed roght now.

And yet nobody's actually been eliminated in Group C yet. There's four teams at 4-5, one at 5-4, and you.

But, I still am guaranted to advance.

[Kaboomlandia]

From Cosumar's RP, they've had crappy batting, and I've had crappy pitching... ball's just going to sail by.

[Super-Llamaland]

Sorry about that. I'll run the election and try to remember I'm technically president.

[Kaboomlandia]

May 8: 3-3, on the verge of a playoff spot.
Lost three straight to be eliminated.
Almost played spoiler against Cosumar

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Sorry about that. I'll run the election and try to remember I'm technically president.

When will it be held? It's already long overdue. Ideally it should be done before this tournament is done, so the next vote doesn't get pushed back.

[Kaboomlandia]

So Czesc, who posts only a roster, goes 8-2 in the round robin and is now in the quarterfinals?

[Frenline Delpha]

So Czesc, who posts only a roster, goes 8-2 in the round robin and is now in the quarterfinals?

Scorinator logic.

[Cosumar]

Milchama is supposed to be in the quarterfinals and not me, right?

[Kaboomlandia]

Milchama is supposed to be in the quarterfinals and not me, right?

You lost the series in three games, so yes. Good run, though.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Milchama is supposed to be in the quarterfinals and not me, right?

Yep, fixed. Sorry.

[Super-Llamaland]

Alright, so sorry for being temporarily dead - I was sick. I will get this started.

ULTRALATE WBC32 COUNCIL VOTING

There is voting on the pending council membership of Abanhfleft and Patistan. Please vote one of the following options on whether or not they should be allowed into the WBC council.


1 - Accept
2 - Reject
3 - Abstain


TG all votes on each member to Tree Death by Thursday, May 22, 2015 at midnight Central Time. A reminder TG has been sent out. Only WBC Councillors may vote.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Alright, so sorry for being temporarily dead - I was sick. I will get this started.

ULTRALATE WBC32 COUNCIL VOTING

There is voting on the pending council membership of Abanhfleft. Please vote one of the following options on whether or not they should be allowed into the WBC council.


1 - Accept Abanhfleft into the WBC Council
2 - Reject Abanhfleft
3 - Officially Abstain


TG all votes to Tree Death by Thursday, May 22, 2015 at midnight Central Time. A reminder TG has been sent out.

We should be voting on Patistan too, as recent host he may join the Council with a majority vote

[Super-Llamaland]

Right, this is broken.

Llama's Probably Awful First Draft For a New Constitution, More of a Framework Really

Article I: Council Eligibility

Section 1. To be an eligible member of the WBC Council (hereafter referred to as the WBCC), a nation must have posted a roster and at least one roleplay in the previous two Classics.

Section 2. To maintain membership in the WBCC, a nation must fulfill both of the following criteria:
a.) Posting a roster every Classic.
b.) Participating in host voting every Classic.

Section 3: Users who are bidding to host the World Baseball Classic may not vote on the host. These users will not be subject to removal from the Council under Article I, Section 2b.

Section 3. If a Member of the Council fails to maintain its membership (by failure to fulfill either criteria without ever having hosted or co-hosted a WBC) they will be removed from the Council for a minimum of one Classic and until both criteria are again met during the same WBC tournament. However, this may be appealed and put to a vote, with two-thirds majority reinstating said member to the Council.

Article II: Responsibilities of the Council

Section 1: The Council, and only the Council, will vote for the next Host or Hosts of the Classic and will choose from available bids.

Section 2: The Council will be the determining body for repealing or amending the Constitution. A two-thirds (rounded down if necessary) majority will be needed to amend or repeal any part of the WBC Constitution.

Section 3: Any member of the Council can withdraw from the Council, but will be subject to the above eligibility guidelines if they seek reinstatement.

Section 4: The Council is responsible for maintaining the integrity of the Classic. The Council will be held to any subsequent rights and/or responsibilities that are created henceforth into the WBC Constitution.

Article III: Impeachment Procedures

Section 1: In order to initiate impeachment and/or removal from office proceedings against a current member of the World Baseball Classic Council, another member in good standing must motion for impeachment. If a different member seconds the motion, the member is considered impeached.

Section 2: In the event that a Council member is impeached, the full Council will have one week to discuss whether or not to remove the impeached member. During that period, the impeached member is still considered a full voting member of the Council on any items other than those involving the impeachment proceedings.

Section 3: The council president will initiate the removal vote, which shall only take place in the event two thirds of votes cast are in favour of removal from office. If the president is the one being impeached, the vice-president will serve the same role as the president for the purposes of this section.

Section 4: In the event that two-third of votes cast are in favour of removal from office, the Council member shall be removed from the Council with immediate effect for a period of two World Baseball Classics. At the end of the two-Classic period, the member must petition to rejoin the Council and initiate a plan to address any concerns outlined in the impeachment proceedings in order to be reinstated to the Council.

Section 5: Any Council member removed due to impeachment proceedings must be nominated to rejoin the Council and must be formally seconded. If that occurs, the Council may vote on readmission when votes for new Council members are being taken. If a simple majority of votes cast are in favour of readmission, the impeached member shall rejoin the Council with immediate effect.

Section IV: Voting Procedures

Section 1: For a Council vote to be considered valid, a motion must have a simple majority of votes cast provided that a quorum of Council members votes in favour of or against the motion at vote. Any measure that receives the votes of one more than half the active Council membership will be automatically approved.

Section 2: For the purposes of this amendment, a "quorum" shall be defined as half the current voting membership of the Council, rounded down.

Section 3: Any Council vote that does not reach quorum will be considered invalid and re-voted upon.

Section 4: The President may veto any Council vote that does not reach a two-thirds majority, and the vote will be considered invalid.

Section V: The President of the Council

Section 1: The Council will be headed by a president who will be elected by the members of the council, using the same election procedures as outlined in Article III.

Section 2: The president will be elected after every other World Baseball Classic, and will serve terms of two Classics. It is possible to serve multiple terms.

Section 3: The president's duties are the following: opening the sign-up thread; opening and collecting host voting; opening and collecting constitutional proposal voting; keeping the council list updated; opening and collecting council member election voting; and making any other arbitrary decisions which are not fit to be decided by the council as a whole.

Section 4: The president must appoint a vice-president to serve in his/her absence. If the president goes missing for an extended period of time, takes a break from NS, or ceases to exist, the vice-president has the right to step up and serve as the president pro tempore.

Section 5: The president may be impeached under the procedures of Article III. If the president is impeached and removed from the council, the vice-president becomes the new president and may appoint a new vice-president to take their place.

Article VI: Tournament Sportsmanship

Section 1: No team may voluntarily forfeit games or entire series after a World Baseball Classic has started.

Section 2: Only nations that have ceased to exist during the playoffs of the World Baseball Classic before being eliminated are deemed as forfeiting.

Section 3: Nations that cease to exist during a group stage or equivalent of the World Baseball Classic shall be prohibited from advancing beyond that stage, but must play out the remainder of their schedule in that stage. Nations that are subsequently re-founded prior to the end of the stage may advance beyond that stage.

Section 4: Forfeited games due to CTE by a nation are automatic victories for the opposing team and should be scorinated as such.

Section 5: The score of a forfeit is 9-0.

Article VII: Tournament Rankings

--insert blurb on rankings here when we decide what we're doing with them--

Article VIII: Miscellaneous Procedures

Section 1: When creating the signup thread, the thread creator is to provide (at minimum) a link to the winning bid of the last World Baseball Classic and set a definitive deadline for when host bids must be received by.

repost to bring up more discussion

[Gregoryisgodistan]

There are two Section 3's in Article I and it should be Article IV and Article V, not Section. That's sloppy, right there.

[Nova Anglicana]

There are two Section 3's in Article I and it should be Article IV and Article V, not Section. That's sloppy, right there.

Constructively criticize the draft, please. Editorial comment not necessary.

If you do feel the need to express an opinion about the format, there are better ways to say it than "that's sloppy, right there." If you were in a position of authority where SLL reported to you, then "sloppy" as a method of expressing your displeasure would be appropriate. As the situation currently stands, not so much.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

As Schiltzlberg TGE'd me about, I advanced Coreyo instead of Patistan by mistake. Game 1 of the Czesc series has been rescorinated against Patistan instead. All other series are unaffected.

[Schiltzberg]

Schitzlberg

Oh boy, unfortunate misspelling! Lol!

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Schitzlberg

Oh boy, unfortunate misspelling! Lol!

Sorry, I'll fix it. You're too new to remember when Cassadaigua left and I tried to say "Good-bye, Cass" but forgot the C. Fortunately, I noticed it on my own before she did.

[Schiltzberg]

Lol

[Losthaven]

Article I: Council Eligibility

Section 1. To be an eligible member of the WBC Council (hereafter referred to as the WBCC), a nation must have posted a roster and at least one roleplay in the previous two Classics.

Section 2. To maintain membership in the WBCC, a nation must fulfill both of the following criteria:
a.) Posting a roster every Classic.
b.) Participating in host voting every Classic.

Section 3: Users who are bidding to host the World Baseball Classic may not vote on the host. These users will not be subject to removal from the Council under Article I, Section 2b.

Section 3. If a Member of the Council fails to maintain its membership (by failure to fulfill either criteria without ever having hosted or co-hosted a WBC) they will be removed from the Council for a minimum of one Classic and until both criteria are again met during the same WBC tournament. However, this may be appealed and put to a vote, with two-thirds majority reinstating said member to the Council.

Is it no longer required that a nation be voted into the counsel? I didn't see that in any other Article. If members are to be "voted in" that requirement should be explicitly made part of the constitution.

Also, is there no allowance for "vacation." You should not lose your counsel membership if you skip one classic (especially if you have an RP reason for it). There should be a one classic "allowance" and so long as you post a roster/participate in host voting the following classic, you do not lose your membership.

There also seems to be some suggestion in the second "section 3" that hosting or co-hosting a WBC makes you immune to the membership criteria (i.e. hosts and co-hosts and permanent members even if the don't post a roster for 19 straight classics, CTE, etc). If that is the case, it should be explicitly made part of the constitution.

Article II: Responsibilities of the Council

Section 1: The Council, and only the Council, will vote for the next Host or Hosts of the Classic and will choose from available bids.

Section 2: The Council will be the determining body for repealing or amending the Constitution. A two-thirds (rounded down if necessary) majority will be needed to amend or repeal any part of the WBC Constitution.

Section 3: Any member of the Council can withdraw from the Council, but will be subject to the above eligibility guidelines if they seek reinstatement.

Section 4: The Council is responsible for maintaining the integrity of the Classic. The Council will be held to any subsequent rights and/or responsibilities that are created henceforth into the WBC Constitution.

This seems pretty straightforward. Well done! Though the grammar could use some work... Section 2 could simply read "A two-thirds majority of the full WBCC membership (rounded down if necessary) shall be necessary to ratify a proposed constitutional amendment."

Article III: Impeachment Procedures

Section 1: In order to initiate impeachment and/or removal from office proceedings against a current member of the World Baseball Classic Council, another member in good standing must motion for impeachment. If a different member seconds the motion, the member is considered impeached.

Section 2: In the event that a Council member is impeached, the full Council will have one week to discuss whether or not to remove the impeached member. During that period, the impeached member is still considered a full voting member of the Council on any items other than those involving the impeachment proceedings.

Section 3: The council president will initiate the removal vote, which shall only take place in the event two thirds of votes cast are in favour of removal from office. If the president is the one being impeached, the vice-president will serve the same role as the president for the purposes of this section.

Section 4: In the event that two-third of votes cast are in favour of removal from office, the Council member shall be removed from the Council with immediate effect for a period of two World Baseball Classics. At the end of the two-Classic period, the member must petition to rejoin the Council and initiate a plan to address any concerns outlined in the impeachment proceedings in order to be reinstated to the Council.

Section 5: Any Council member removed due to impeachment proceedings must be nominated to rejoin the Council and must be formally seconded. If that occurs, the Council may vote on readmission when votes for new Council members are being taken. If a simple majority of votes cast are in favour of readmission, the impeached member shall rejoin the Council with immediate effect.

Stylistically, this probably belongs further down in the Constitution, perhaps after the section on voting and the presidency.

I think a list of possibly impeachable offenses would be useful. Right now this reads as though a supermajority of WBCC members could exclude others simply if they don't like them. Plus, a list of impeachable offenses would help folks understand what kind of behavior is not acceptable (i.e. CTEing, Trolling, Eggregious RP violations, these are just examples but see how helpful a list is?)

Section IV: Voting Procedures

Section 1: For a Council vote to be considered valid, a motion must have a simple majority of votes cast provided that a quorum of Council members votes in favour of or against the motion at vote. Any measure that receives the votes of one more than half the active Council membership will be automatically approved.

Section 2: For the purposes of this amendment, a "quorum" shall be defined as half the current voting membership of the Council, rounded down.

Section 3: Any Council vote that does not reach quorum will be considered invalid and re-voted upon.

Section 4: The President may veto any Council vote that does not reach a two-thirds majority, and the vote will be considered invalid.

Stylistically, this belongs further up, perhaps right after the "Responsibilities of Counsel."

Are there provisions here for proposing votes/amendments? Like "Section 5: Any member of the WBCC may move to submit a rule change, constitutional amendment, or other WBC related proposal. A vote on the submission will be held if one other WBCC member "seconds" the motion. Upon motion and seconding The WBCC president shall ensure that the vote is held in a timely manner."

I also don't like the idea of giving the president a veto. The counsel is not a nation; it can be run as a true democracy if we want. The president is an executive in the sense that he "gets things done." That does not mean he should be allowed to sub in his opinion for that of a majority of the counsel.

Section V: The President of the Council

Section 1: The Council will be headed by a president who will be elected by the members of the council, using the same election procedures as outlined in Article III.

Section 2: The president will be elected after every other World Baseball Classic, and will serve terms of two Classics. It is possible to serve multiple terms.

Section 3: The president's duties are the following: opening the sign-up thread; opening and collecting host voting; opening and collecting constitutional proposal voting; keeping the council list updated; opening and collecting council member election voting; and making any other arbitrary decisions which are not fit to be decided by the council as a whole.

Section 4: The president must appoint a vice-president to serve in his/her absence. If the president goes missing for an extended period of time, takes a break from NS, or ceases to exist, the vice-president has the right to step up and serve as the president pro tempore.

Section 5: The president may be impeached under the procedures of Article III. If the president is impeached and removed from the council, the vice-president becomes the new president and may appoint a new vice-president to take their place.

I'd like to see term limits that allow a president to reapply but prevents the counsel from getting stale. For example: "A president may serve two (three? four?) consecutive full terms but must then take at least one term off. There is no lifetime term limit." This will also, presumably, make president voting more competitive and fun!

I think we could do without the term "arbitrary" as it makes the presidency sound petty. "Any other decisions" would suffice.

I would like a provision about challenging a president's decision, perhaps with the "motion and second" provision suggested above.

I would like the vice president to be the runner up in a presidential election. If there is no runner up, only then should the president appoint his VP. Again, this will make the presidency more competitive.

Article VI: Tournament Sportsmanship

Section 1: No team may voluntarily forfeit games or entire series after a World Baseball Classic has started.

Section 2: Only nations that have ceased to exist during the playoffs of the World Baseball Classic before being eliminated are deemed as forfeiting.

Section 3: Nations that cease to exist during a group stage or equivalent of the World Baseball Classic shall be prohibited from advancing beyond that stage, but must play out the remainder of their schedule in that stage. Nations that are subsequently re-founded prior to the end of the stage may advance beyond that stage.

Section 4: Forfeited games due to CTE by a nation are automatic victories for the opposing team and should be scorinated as such.

Section 5: The score of a forfeit is 9-0.

Is there a good reason for giving a team that wins by forfeit a +9 to their run differential? Seems to me that the fact that they get a Margaret-free win by being lucky enough to be drawn into a match with a CTE nation should be benefit enough. They should get a +1 win and they should be glad for that.

Article VII: Tournament Rankings

--insert blurb on rankings here when we decide what we're doing with them--

This needs work

Article VIII: Miscellaneous Procedures

Section 1: When creating the signup thread, the thread creator is to provide (at minimum) a link to the winning bid of the last World Baseball Classic and set a definitive deadline for when host bids must be received by.

Perhaps rename this "Rules and Regulations" and make it a dumping ground for such. Rules about timelines (how often the WBC should be held, how much time for a "run-of-the-mill" vote, etc.)

That's all I can think of for now, but I'm sure I'll come up with more.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

With regards to run differential for forfeited games, it really doesn't matter in the knockout stage and in the group Stage you can't have forfeits.