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by Drawkland » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:04 pm
Qasden wrote:Question, does your bid allow every species to compete? The 'pality recently received an influx of sentient cat-people who are well more agile than the Qad humans themselves
by CoraSpia » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:04 pm
Qasden wrote:Question, does your bid allow every species to compete? The 'pality recently received an influx of sentient cat-people who are well more agile than the Qad humans themselves
by Free Republics » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:05 pm
Qasden wrote:Question, does your bid allow every species to compete? The 'pality recently received an influx of sentient cat-people who are well more agile than the Qad humans themselves
by Audioslavia » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:17 pm
Free Republics wrote:To add to my previous post:
I just received a very interesting IRC log from somebody explaining exactly what I was kicked for. Apparently, this was posted on IRC earlier today.
by CoraSpia » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:22 pm
Audioslavia wrote:Free Republics wrote:To add to my previous post:
I just received a very interesting IRC log from somebody explaining exactly what I was kicked for. Apparently, this was posted on IRC earlier today.
Your IRC log contained full names of users. Please edit these logs before posting. Privacy is important. This is an unofficial warning.
by Free Republics » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:26 pm
Audioslavia wrote:Free Republics wrote:To add to my previous post:
I just received a very interesting IRC log from somebody explaining exactly what I was kicked for. Apparently, this was posted on IRC earlier today.
Your IRC log contained full names of users. Please edit these logs before posting. Privacy is important. This is an unofficial warning.
by Commerce Heights » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:29 pm
Free Republics wrote:From what I recall, it was related to Brexit (I was celebrating the result or, I guess you could say, "gloating" about it). Granted, I only have a vague memory of what I said that night (but I do remember people panicking like the world was ending because Britain voted for its freedom from a discredited bureaucracy that nobody ever voted for and I was probably extremely insensitive about it). I urge CH to post whatever I actually said that justified my being kicked from IRC, if it truly wasn't related to Brexit. That said, I have no problem with this stuff being posted publicly and would prefer that over it being spread around in secret.
Free Republics wrote:Given that the Olympic Council president has openly all but stated his position on my host bid, I do request that a neutral party handle the task of counting the votes.
by CoraSpia » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:34 pm
Commerce Heights wrote:Free Republics wrote:From what I recall, it was related to Brexit (I was celebrating the result or, I guess you could say, "gloating" about it). Granted, I only have a vague memory of what I said that night (but I do remember people panicking like the world was ending because Britain voted for its freedom from a discredited bureaucracy that nobody ever voted for and I was probably extremely insensitive about it). I urge CH to post whatever I actually said that justified my being kicked from IRC, if it truly wasn't related to Brexit. That said, I have no problem with this stuff being posted publicly and would prefer that over it being spread around in secret.
I chose not to post it because I did not consider it relevant, bearing in mind that Valanora said that your comments were “perilously close” to trolling and flamebaiting, (i.e., not actually trolling and flamebaiting), and did not abuse or even use her channel operator powers in response to them. But since you have requested it and I believe it would be unjust to deny you access to evidence you may wish to use in your defense, here are the comments I referred to:
If you require any further logs from your conversation that night, please contact me by telegram and I will provide them.Free Republics wrote:Given that the Olympic Council president has openly all but stated his position on my host bid, I do request that a neutral party handle the task of counting the votes.
Although nothing in the Olympic Charter actually says that I can voluntarily recuse myself from my duty of counting the votes, I accept the argument that I could; nonetheless, I won’t. First, I reject the notion that it is improper for the president of the Olympic Council to have an opinion on the bids that he or she, as a member of the Olympic Council, is entitled to vote for or against, just as any other member may. Second, I am not convinced that my recusal would actually be favorable to you. Ordinarily the vice president, Electrum, would then be charged with collecting the votes, but I believe he may be submitting a bid himself, in which case the task would fall to a person appointed by the president. It is likely that any other person I would appoint would also have an opinion on your bid, and should be disqualified by the same argument.
by Free Republics » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:36 pm
Commerce Heights wrote:Although nothing in the Olympic Charter actually says that I can voluntarily recuse myself from my duty of counting the votes, I accept the argument that I could; nonetheless, I won’t. First, I reject the notion that it is improper for the president of the Olympic Council to have an opinion on the bids that he or she, as a member of the Olympic Council, is entitled to vote for or against, just as any other member may. Second, I am not convinced that my recusal would actually be favorable to you. Ordinarily the vice president, Electrum, would then be charged with collecting the votes, but I believe he may be submitting a bid himself, in which case the task would fall to a person appointed by the president. It is likely that any other person I would appoint would also have an opinion on your bid, and should be disqualified by the same argument.
by Commerce Heights » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:43 pm
Free Republics wrote:Commerce Heights wrote:Although nothing in the Olympic Charter actually says that I can voluntarily recuse myself from my duty of counting the votes, I accept the argument that I could; nonetheless, I won’t. First, I reject the notion that it is improper for the president of the Olympic Council to have an opinion on the bids that he or she, as a member of the Olympic Council, is entitled to vote for or against, just as any other member may. Second, I am not convinced that my recusal would actually be favorable to you. Ordinarily the vice president, Electrum, would then be charged with collecting the votes, but I believe he may be submitting a bid himself, in which case the task would fall to a person appointed by the president. It is likely that any other person I would appoint would also have an opinion on your bid, and should be disqualified by the same argument.
Well, that would be pretty surprising given that Electrum was actually trying to talk me into bidding a few months back when I was leaning against it (and also tried to talk me into bidding for the Winter Olympics).
by CoraSpia » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:51 pm
Commerce Heights wrote:Free Republics wrote:
Well, that would be pretty surprising given that Electrum was actually trying to talk me into bidding a few months back when I was leaning against it (and also tried to talk me into bidding for the Winter Olympics).
If that’s the case, then it sounds like he has an opinion on your bid and, for the sake of your argument, should be disqualified from collecting the votes.
by Commerce Heights » Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:56 pm
CoraSpia wrote:Commerce Heights wrote:If that’s the case, then it sounds like he has an opinion on your bid and, for the sake of your argument, should be disqualified from collecting the votes.
What do you think of my suggestion? As I've obviously got an opinion on the bid the person I select could be checked out by a few people, you included.
by Gregoryisgodistan » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:25 pm
Commerce Heights wrote:CoraSpia wrote:What do you think of my suggestion? As I've obviously got an opinion on the bid the person I select could be checked out by a few people, you included.
As I said before, I reject the notion that having an opinion on one of the bids is sufficient reason to recuse myself from collecting the votes. Thus, I have no need to take such an unprecedented step.
by Electrum » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:27 pm
Free Republics wrote:Commerce Heights wrote:Although nothing in the Olympic Charter actually says that I can voluntarily recuse myself from my duty of counting the votes, I accept the argument that I could; nonetheless, I won’t. First, I reject the notion that it is improper for the president of the Olympic Council to have an opinion on the bids that he or she, as a member of the Olympic Council, is entitled to vote for or against, just as any other member may. Second, I am not convinced that my recusal would actually be favorable to you. Ordinarily the vice president, Electrum, would then be charged with collecting the votes, but I believe he may be submitting a bid himself, in which case the task would fall to a person appointed by the president. It is likely that any other person I would appoint would also have an opinion on your bid, and should be disqualified by the same argument.
Well, that would be pretty surprising given that Electrum was actually trying to talk me into bidding a few months back when I was leaning against it (and also tried to talk me into bidding for the Winter Olympics).
by Eura » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:41 pm
From what I recall, it was related to Brexit (I was celebrating the result or, I guess you could say, "gloating" about it). Granted, I only have a vague memory of what I said that night (but I do remember people panicking like the world was ending because Britain voted for its freedom from a discredited bureaucracy that nobody ever voted for and I was probably extremely insensitive about it).
Given that the Olympic Council president has openly all but stated his position on my host bid, I do request that a neutral party handle the task of counting the votes.
Regardless of what happens this year, I will not withdraw as host due to any off-site arguments. As I've said many times, I regretted my heat of the moment decision to withdraw as Olympic host within 24 hours.
by CoraSpia » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:56 pm
Eura wrote:On FFRs post:From what I recall, it was related to Brexit (I was celebrating the result or, I guess you could say, "gloating" about it). Granted, I only have a vague memory of what I said that night (but I do remember people panicking like the world was ending because Britain voted for its freedom from a discredited bureaucracy that nobody ever voted for and I was probably extremely insensitive about it).
This seems somewhat close to baiting on the politics front and I don't think that will help your case when it comes to demonstrating the maturity needed to host, or that you are actually willing to get past your grievances with people. If you seriously believe it was just your political opinions that were the issue then doing the same thing twice/bringing it up again isn't going to win people over.
Given that the Olympic Council president has openly all but stated his position on my host bid, I do request that a neutral party handle the task of counting the votes.
While there is a "logic" to this, I would like to strongly reject the implication that CH's honesty can come into question here. They are indisputably a pillar of this community respected by almost everyone and they don't take a partial view to these things lightly in my experience.
If you're going to go there, could we not wonder if you can be trusted to be neutral in scorination, given the level of falling out that has occurred between you and a large part of the regular community?
That brings us back to a central point really, re. the way you decided to respond to this off site stuff:
Regardless of what happens this year, I will not withdraw as host due to any off-site arguments. As I've said many times, I regretted my heat of the moment decision to withdraw as Olympic host within 24 hours.
I can't speak for everyone but I suspect many will agree with me here - while its good that you regret your previous decision and indicate that it won't happen again, its not really good enough.
Your behaviour was inexplicably poor for someone trusted with such a difficult undertaking, and you don't seem to have demonstrated much genuine remorse or understanding of your mistakes since unless I've missed something substantial, other than this half hearted statement of regret and a half-apology about being insensitive on an IRC (the simultaneous politics themed pot shot at the people you claim got you booted from the IRC suggests to me this is a very forced/reluctant point). Also, as CH did point out, in practice it wasn't a threat of a 24 hour walkout, you did it very soon after leaving the IRC. Not that the 24 hour threat was even remotely justifiable anyway. Can we take your suggestion that you wouldn't contemplate it again seriously? If you were willing to pull off some absurd blackmail of the community on the issue because of a pretty justifiable boot from an IRC channel, how can you convince us that you won't do something similarly silly in response to another slight?
This combination of things makes it really difficult to envisage good reasons for people to vote for you to host, before we even get to its more technical content and format. In the words of an incredibly toxic television host, its a no from me.
by Eura » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:24 pm
CoraSpia wrote:Admitedly, that night was rather heated for people on both sides of the political debate. People got DEATed over things that they'd said without thought; one guy went most of the way to DOS for it. I myself was rather jubalent as I'd spent a long time campaigning on it. However, since the fallout with my first Olympics, I've been doing my best not to get confrontational (obviously that failed spectacular during the last one, though I think if I hadn't tried I'd have said something regrettable as well.)
The fact is that FFR has scorenated things since this IRC altercation, without criticism occurring on a large scale. Furthermore, he has a proven ability to host a tournament of this scale. On the balance of it therefore, I would be prepared to trust him on this; the large amount of demonstration sports included clearly indicates a lot of commitment timewise on his part, and the bid is well-presented. Though my opinion probably carries negative weight around here I urge people to put the past behind them and continue on with a good Olympics: remember, even a host you don't particularly see eye to eye with is better than no host at all.
by CoraSpia » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:44 pm
Eura wrote:CoraSpia wrote:Admitedly, that night was rather heated for people on both sides of the political debate. People got DEATed over things that they'd said without thought; one guy went most of the way to DOS for it. I myself was rather jubalent as I'd spent a long time campaigning on it. However, since the fallout with my first Olympics, I've been doing my best not to get confrontational (obviously that failed spectacular during the last one, though I think if I hadn't tried I'd have said something regrettable as well.)
Slightly off topic - were you actually campaigning or just posting about it on the internet? Not to be mean or anything, they are not the same thing is all! Can speak from experience of both.
Anyway, back on point, and that point is that your point is moot - his behaviour went some way over the line regardless of whatever IRL topics were being discussed and how heated their discussion could be. If he's still not really demonstrating enough trustworthiness or dropping stuff like the Brexit issue a year later when other people have mellowed a bit, that's not good enough in my book - the post made on the last page suggested this is an accurate analysis of his position, unless FFR would care to elaborate further?The fact is that FFR has scorenated things since this IRC altercation, without criticism occurring on a large scale. Furthermore, he has a proven ability to host a tournament of this scale. On the balance of it therefore, I would be prepared to trust him on this; the large amount of demonstration sports included clearly indicates a lot of commitment timewise on his part, and the bid is well-presented. Though my opinion probably carries negative weight around here I urge people to put the past behind them and continue on with a good Olympics: remember, even a host you don't particularly see eye to eye with is better than no host at all.
He might have hosted other things since the debacle but this happens to be the tournament where FFR totally undermined trust in his position - its really not that surprising that people find it more relevant to bring up now.
FFR might have a proven ability to host a tournament on this scale, but he also has a proven ability to sabotage it over an off site fall out with an IRC mod. You can't ignore either, and I'm not suggesting we ignore either really, just that one makes it very difficult to consider the other unless its addressed properly. Until there is a clear sign that the proposed host has adequately accounted for this (you said people need to put the past behind them but that goes both ways), it seems almost perverse to reward that person with hosting the tournament because "if not them, who else".
by Eura » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:19 pm
CoraSpia wrote:I was actually campaigning. On the foot patrols around Stoke-on-Trent, telling people to vote leave.
More on the topic, I've never really understood the notion that it's a reward to host. FFR has hosted an Olympics, so he can happily state that he is a former Olympic host, so what is the new reward for him? Apart, of course, from long hours spent tediously in front of the computer.
Unless, of course, he's vindictive and petty enough to decide to sabotage someones performance in a competition because of an argument last year, and speaking from experience of having rped with him before I can state that this will not be his reason to want to host.
by Free Republics » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:05 am
CoraSpia wrote:More on the topic, I've never really understood the notion that it's a reward to host. FFR has hosted an Olympics, so he can happily state that he is a former Olympic host, so what is the new reward for him? Apart, of course, from long hours spent tediously in front of the computer.
Unless, of course, he's vindictive and petty enough to decide to sabotage someones performance in a competition because of an argument last year, and speaking from experience of having rped with him before I can state that this will not be his reason to want to host.
by Commerce Heights » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:41 am
Free Republics wrote:I've come to the realization, after some thought, that it is not worth my time to respond to personal attacks, smears or harassment and that it was a mistake to allow myself to be dragged into "defending" myself against that filth yesterday.
by Todd McCloud » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:02 am
by CoraSpia » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:06 am
Todd McCloud wrote:Quick question: is their an Olympics or NS Sports discord? Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask - I just figured there might be multiple rooms by now.
by Frenline Delpha » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:10 am
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