IRADC Meeting[CLOSED/IC]

[Candova Commonwealth]

As scheduled, Candova Aeronautic Defense Systems holds a development meeting, inviting various industry and government representatives of all involved parties in the henceforth named Inter-regional Aircraft Development Consortium (IRADC). Numerous dignitaries and industry leads from Soviet Canuckistan, Liassucien Industrie d'Arospace, and local representatives of CADS gather in the capital of Candova, Candova Primary to discuss at length their wishes, suggestions and requirements of the project.

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Current Project Requirements and Goals are as follows:

Aircraft capable of:
- Maintaining a speed equivalent to Mach 2.0 via super-cruise.
- Carrying a wide range of munitions on at least 10 hard-points within internal, low-observation weapon's bays.
- Performing STOL operations from airstrips of less than 2000ft (609m) in length
- Reaching a ferry range of at least 2600 NMI (4,815km) using internal stores, 3000 NMI (5,556km) with use of external drop-tank stores.
- Low maintenance interval, high reliability operations (projected 8 man-hours of maintenance per 1 hour of flight)
- Possessing and reliability operating with a modern, comprehensive and off-the-shelf electronics suite.
- All-weather CATOBAR operations from a deck of less than 858 feet ( 261m )
- Two-dimensional pitch thrust vectoring via in-line thrust vectoring vanes.

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Present disclosed funding:

Candova Aeronautic Defense Systems - 1,580,000,000 NSD, with an additional 750,000,000 NSD per year
The Federal Republic of Soviet Canuckistan - 1,000,000,000 NSD per year
Liassucien Industrie d'Arospace - 74,000,000 NSD

[Liassucia]

"Charles, allarey-voú à Candove Primaire avic l'liasòn de Liassucien Industrie d'Arospace?
"Ui monsière Ministre-Primant. J'allari avic som. Ji ponsi noú povuar accomplès boucu des issues à là."
"Ji si'éspare."

"Charles, are you going to Candova Primary with the LIA liaison?"
"Yes sir Mr. Prime Minister. I will be going with him. I think we can accomplish many things over there."
"I hope so."

The Minister of Transportation, Charles Darnay, and the LIA liaison, Gregory Samille, boarded a COMAC C919 bound for Candove Primary. Both held expectations of achieving much at the first meeting.

[Candova Commonwealth]

With the respective representatives from the involved partner nations having gathered in the Candovian capital of Candova Primary, the meeting quickly gets underway. As the primary representative for the host nation of Candova, Sebastien Dubois, CEO of Candova Aeronautic Defense Systems broaches the first topic for discussion.


"Honoured guests, I will seek to keep this discussion informal, informative and short. I believe the first matter on the table should be that of refining the currently specified project requirements. While it has already grown substantially prior to this meeting, specifics have yet to be ironed out, must-haves and could-do-withouts yet to be identified. I would ask that each of you bring to the table any changes, additions or recommendations for aircraft capabilities and project goals that you see, or do not see upon this list."

"I will start this off by identifying what our engineers believe to be a potentially too ambitious goal set to task on this list. That being the previously set requirement for a super-cruise ability of a maintained speed of Mach 2. They have expressed unto me concerns that in order to achieve this, it would be necessary to either locally design and manufacture a new, world-class high by-pass turbofan or significantly alter an already existing commercial off-the-shelf design, severely impacting its fuel economy in the process. This being both an extreme technological and financial risk, I recommend instead that we attempt to source an available and well proven mass-produced engine. Identified for me by members of staff is the pre-existing Bable J300 afterburning turbofan, equipped with Pressure Gain Combustion, capable of producing 35,000 lbf (156 kN) each. I have taken the liberty of attempting to limited source an allotment of these engines for testing purposes from Terra Nova RDI, with possible follow-on license production and technology rights. I will, however, leave the table open to discussion on this matter."

[New Hayesalia]

This aircraft was a Terra Novinian project too. TN RDI was one of the major development partners, and the New Hayesalian representative was at this meeting, dressed in a suit and looking snappy. He was an ex-pilot, Spetzgruppa Yastreb. An ace. Declan C. Tout, formerly Squadron Leader Tout. He arrived in style, a limousine decked with a TN RDI flag and some jeeps carrying his bodyguarding staff in front and behind. They were mainly a display of force.


He entered the room, and listened quietly while the meeting had begun. He was a man that sat and chewed his gum until he needed to speak, extremely confident and briefed well on the project. It was ambitious. He had two development images, and he was ready to show them. He stood to speak, his power reigning and demanding attention.

"My name is Declan C Tout, and I am here today to represent Terra Nova RDI in this project as original investors and developers. I'm an ex-pilot and involved in the development of our aerial systems. What we are asking for is a strike fighter with supercruise, carrier operations, a ton of weapons and STOL. That is ballsy. We've mentioned engines, but TN RDI is currently liasing with Bable to develop a new engiine, likely of PGC design. The J300 is tailor-made, so we need to develop something new. However, with the current specifications, I find that it could be done."

"Before we go any further, TN RDI have a condition. We will not permit sales of the aircraft outside of TN RDI, no matter what. If that won't be done, TN RDI will withdraw funding, technologies, and other associated projects. We hope taht this won't be rejected. We've also developed a couple of 3D images to show what we're projecting for this project."

[Liassucia]

This aircraft w....SNIP

As I recall you are not a member therefore IGNORED

[Soviet Canuckistan]

This aircraft was a Terra Novinian project too. TN RDI was one of the major development partners, and the New Hayesalian representative was at this meeting, dressed in a suit and looking snappy. He was an ex-pilot, Spetzgruppa Yastreb. An ace. Declan C. Tout, formerly Squadron Leader Tout. He arrived in style, a limousine decked with a TN RDI flag and some jeeps carrying his bodyguarding staff in front and behind. They were mainly a display of force.


He entered the room, and listened quietly while the meeting had begun. He was a man that sat and chewed his gum until he needed to speak, extremely confident and briefed well on the project. It was ambitious. He had two development images, and he was ready to show them. He stood to speak, his power reigning and demanding attention.

"My name is Declan C Tout, and I am here today to represent Terra Nova RDI in this project as original investors and developers. I'm an ex-pilot and involved in the development of our aerial systems. What we are asking for is a strike fighter with supercruise, carrier operations, a ton of weapons and STOL. That is ballsy. We've mentioned engines, but TN RDI is currently liasing with Bable to develop a new engiine, likely of PGC design. The J300 is tailor-made, so we need to develop something new. However, with the current specifications, I find that it could be done."

"Before we go any further, TN RDI have a condition. We will not permit sales of the aircraft outside of TN RDI, no matter what. If that won't be done, TN RDI will withdraw funding, technologies, and other associated projects. We hope taht this won't be rejected. We've also developed a couple of 3D images to show what we're projecting for this project."

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"get out can you read the closed sign" said the ambassador to his New Hayesalian counterpart as Candovan security escorted the New Hayeslian representative and his entourage out of the hall.Then the ambassador of SC said"lets get to business"

[New Hayesalia]

OOC: It seems you chaps need the knowledge that I have in fact liased with Candova. We are a major development partner, and indeed the first one. Candova himself will vouch for this. Otherwise, your posts are formally ignored.

[Candova Commonwealth]

OOC: It seems you chaps need the knowledge that I have in fact liased with Candova. We are a major development partner, and indeed the first one. Candova himself will vouch for this. Otherwise, your posts are formally ignored.

OOC: Prior to any actual forward progress IC in this project, I informed you that we would be going forward with an open consortium instead. I apologize if this should have been noted in an in character, public post instead! You are of course welcome to continue playing along IC, feel free to sue the consortium or something, hah!

[New Hayesalia]

OOC: It seems you chaps need the knowledge that I have in fact liased with Candova. We are a major development partner, and indeed the first one. Candova himself will vouch for this. Otherwise, your posts are formally ignored.

OOC: Prior to any actual forward progress IC in this project, I informed you that we would be going forward with an open consortium instead. I apologize if this should have been noted in an in character, public post instead! You are of course welcome to continue playing along IC, feel free to sue the consortium or something, hah!

OOC: I haven't actually put any money into it yet, so I can't really sue. Anyways, feel free to talk to the Tout.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

OOC: It seems you chaps need the knowledge that I have in fact liased with Candova. We are a major development partner, and indeed the first one. Candova himself will vouch for this. Otherwise, your posts are formally ignored.

OOC: Prior to any actual forward progress IC in this project, I informed you that we would be going forward with an open consortium instead. I apologize if this should have been noted in an in character, public post instead! You are of course welcome to continue playing along IC, feel free to sue the consortium or something, hah!

OOC:You could have told the rest of the consortium and I'll quit if the only lace we can sell the plane is his storefront like he demanded

[Candova Commonwealth]

OOC: Prior to any actual forward progress IC in this project, I informed you that we would be going forward with an open consortium instead. I apologize if this should have been noted in an in character, public post instead! You are of course welcome to continue playing along IC, feel free to sue the consortium or something, hah!

OOC:You could have told the rest of the consortium and I'll quit if the only lace we can sell the plane is his storefront like he demanded

OOC: I mentioned it to Liassucia, and I had thought I sent you a telegram regarding it, I may be mistaken though. Anyways, shall we carry on in the IC?

[New Hayesalia]

OOC: Prior to any actual forward progress IC in this project, I informed you that we would be going forward with an open consortium instead. I apologize if this should have been noted in an in character, public post instead! You are of course welcome to continue playing along IC, feel free to sue the consortium or something, hah!

OOC:You could have told the rest of the consortium and I'll quit if the only lace we can sell the plane is his storefront like he demanded

Tout was a cocky bastard, and he knew his own worth. A lot. He said, with a smirk- "You could leave, but I wouldn't stop ya. We have the money, the technology, and the skill. What you offer I can offer in droves. The door's over there."

He sat back and smirked once more. He was polite when he wanted to be, cocky when he needed to be, and professional always.

[Liassucia]

OOC: Let two issues be known to everyone who has posted above:
-I was informed N.H. had been rejected.
-I will not do an RP with him as he does not even sell his own products, he uses someone else's designs, and also seems to post as if he was trying to be the manager of the project consortium.

Telegrams from Candova Commonwealth
The Constitutional Monarchy of Candova Commonwealth (1 day 19 hours ago)
Plus he wanted it to just be a venture between the two of us, so he could post it on his storefront. I felt that would deprive a number of people from some good RP.

The Constitutional Monarchy of Candova Commonwealth (1 day 20 hours ago)
Ah, it just didn't really work out. He wanted to use his own 3d images that he scavenges off the net. I wanted to do custom side-profile line-art.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

The project manager introduced himself to his counterparts"Andre Belleview, project manager for Sailfish Manufacturing Corporation. I have already told you our demands and here's one other that may be of use: That we won't sell domestic production rights so that other nations don't make inferior planes to ours based on this design and sell them to other nations as copies and tarnish our reputation and since Candova produces the Eider Duck I believe we should sell that as part of the consortium"

[Liassucia]

Bonjór comerades! What those at Sailfish Manufacturing don't realize that this project is not of just one nation, or company in this case, but of many. Therefore the only logical thing to do is to allow the several companies to fabricate the parts they specialize in and send them out to the other companies so that each may assemble full products based on their area of operation. This allows each nation to assemble full aircraft while keeping a stake in the program, and to also allow for speedy delivery based on geographical position.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

I meant as not to license to those outside of the consortium

[Liassucia]

I am sorry but my understanding of your statement was that not to sell the production rights outside of the consortium and for your company to be the only manufacturer.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

I am sorry but my understanding of your statement was that not to sell the production rights outside of the consortium and for your company to be the only manufacturer.

our consortium should develop more aircraft after the fighter is done

[Liassucia]

"We most likely will but right now we must get down to business on this current project. I think my Minister of Transportation would like to speak at this time."
Thank you Gregory. Ladies and gentlemen my point of being here is my countries interest in this project. The Minister of War has asked me to submit the idea of this fighter being able to go from naval variant to land based variant.. Also I have been consulting with my colleagues from LIA and we have an idea for a tri-engine concept. This would increase security/safety of the aircraft and ensure some greater aerodynamics by spreading not only the weight but the bulk space around. I am curious to here what you all have to think of this.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

tri-engines are not commonly used infighters and how would it look considering where would the third intake go since if it was near the canopy the pilot would get sucked in upon ejection and on the bottom it would take up weapon space,minister

[Candova Commonwealth]

His counter-parts having spoken their pieces for the time being, Sebastien Dubois pipes in, once more taking the floor of the meeting.

"Neither the Candovian Parliament, Ministry of Defense or those of us at Candova Aeronautic Defense systems have any notion of issuing domestic production right licenses of either the fighter or its integral systems. It is our belief that if this aircraft is to be marketed and subsequently distributed effectively and en masse, that a stringent policy of domestic, partner-nation quality adherence must be met in order to assure no incident may stem from inferior manufacturing by third-party nations. What we propose, gentlemen, is an even distribution of parts and systems manufacture between all three partner nations, with the final assembly being performed in house by CADS, due to its experience in the field."

"In regards to the SH-113 Eider Duck helicopter platform, this is Candovian legacy system dating back to the late 90s, its design and manufacture being solely Candovian in origin. With all due respect, no partner nation of this consortium gathered here, other than Candova Commonwealth, bears any right to this aircraft. However, in the interests of developing a platform of experience from which the consortium might better position itself to market the future products of the IRADC, Candova Aeronautic Defense Systems is willing to cooperate with manufacturing firms within both Soviet Canuckistan and Liassucia to provide regional industrial and economic benefits. With the final product assembly still being performed by Candova Aeronautic Defense Systems, in Candova, and an increased share of any profits stemming from the sale of the SH-113 platform through this consortium, proportional to the development funding given to this legacy program before consortium formation."


"I am happy to hear some productive suggestions from our LIA representative, and wish to assure him that a variant of the fighter capable of CATOBAR operations from naval assets is still one of the key project goals. In regards to the mentioned concept of a tri-engine arrangement, I must admit that it is highly unconventional. However, unconventional is not necessarily a bad thing in this situation, it may well prove to be the mother of innovation for us. It is my belief that a tri-engine arrangement could feasibly be achieved through a single, tri-split serpentine duct intake spanning the width of the central fuselage. This would eliminate any need for a dorsal intake and the dangers that our representative from Soviet Canuckistan fears may be associated with such an arrangement. Additionally, we believe this configuration would only minimally impact internal weapons bay volume, and that this could be easily off-set by the allowed increase in airframe size afforded by an extra engine. This would, obviously, result in a substantially larger aircraft, which may in turn present some alteration needed in terms of STOL requirements. "

[Soviet Canuckistan]

I request a diagram of such a configuration before I decide on if I should approve this

[Candova Commonwealth]

I request a diagram of such a configuration before I decide on if I should approve this

After the brief comment by the Soviet Canuckistanianer, Sebastien Dubois reaches for a remote control, after a short delay of button mashing, the lights dim slightly and a projector kicks in, a bright image splashing over the far wall. [ OOC: Just some rough line-art, will touch it up later if we go this route - http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8207/protouj.jpg ]

"As you can see, gentlemen, we have already approached this concept privately within Candova Aeronautics. This particular concept features a full-width serpentine inlet, later splitting into three individual high-pressure funnels to feed each turbo-fan. Pictured here, above and behind the cockpit, is an air-brake, designed to aid in bleeding air speed for STOL operations, not unlike those seen on the F-15 and Sukhoi Su-27. Our belief is that this implementation of air brakes, coupled with decelerons and two-dimensional pitch thrust vectoring will be sufficient enough to maintain a STOL capability, as well as having adding benefits for the carrier operated variant."

"Imposed here next to the silhouette of the venerable F-22 Raptor , you can see just what kind of scale we're talking about in this aircraft. In the order of 70-74 feet long."

[Soviet Canuckistan]

I request a diagram of such a configuration before I decide on if I should approve this

After the brief comment by the Soviet Canuckistanianer, Sebastien Dubois reaches for a remote control, after a short delay of button mashing, the lights dim slightly and a projector kicks in, a bright image splashing over the far wall. [ OOC: Just some rough line-art, will touch it up later if we go this route - http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8207/protouj.jpg ]

"As you can see, gentlemen, we have already approached this concept privately within Candova Aeronautics. This particular concept features a full-width serpentine inlet, later splitting into three individual high-pressure funnels to feed each turbo-fan. Pictured here, above and behind the cockpit, is an air-brake, designed to aid in bleeding air speed for STOL operations, not unlike those seen on the F-15 and Sukhoi Su-27. Our belief is that this implementation of air brakes, coupled with decelerons and two-dimensional pitch thrust vectoring will be sufficient enough to maintain a STOL capability, as well as having adding benefits for the carrier operated variant."

"Imposed here next to the silhouette of the venerable F-22 Raptor , you can see just what kind of scale we're talking about in this aircraft. In the order of 70-74 feet long."

OK we like that

[Liassucia]

"Here is the IRADC C/TT depicted with the tri-engine design. We feel at LIA that it is best to use the P&W F119 as the main central engine and use a Candovan designed smaller engine on the wings."

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OOC: Yes I know its ugly but its a tester aircraft and when it resized it, it got distorted