Earth II [ARCHIVE THREAD #1]

[Layarteb]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47441

Hope for a New Generation

ATTN: Everyone in the world (especially Asia)

[Cotland]

Cotland-

Which of your naval ships are available for sale?

Depends on what you want. Destroyers, frigates, cruisers, supply ships?

[Layarteb]

The Empire hereby announces, The Doctrine of Sovereignty II. Take note all!

[Brydog]

Bering Tunnel to Be Designed

JUNEAU- Today, the government announced plans to build a tunnel to connect Russia and Alaska. The plans for the massive project are been drafted. The project was first brought up when the former Russian Federation and Alaska came up with plans for such a project. The project was shelved with the fall of the Russian government, however with the seizure of Chukotka in 2009, the project has been restarted. According to some early plans, the city of Wales shall be the start point and the tunnel will end in a yet unknown location in Chukotka. The government is looking foreign aid for the project.

[Layarteb]

Bering Tunnel to Be Designed

JUNEAU- Today, the government announced plans to build a tunnel to connect Russia and Alaska. The plans for the massive project are been drafted. The project was first brought up when the former Russian Federation and Alaska came up with plans for such a project. The project was shelved with the fall of the Russian government, however with the seizure of Chukotka in 2009, the project has been restarted. According to some early plans, the city of Wales shall be the start point and the tunnel will end in a yet unknown location in Chukotka. The government is looking foreign aid for the project.

Don't even think about stealing mah thundah.

[Panderus]

Hey guys, I'm going to declare myself on vacation mode for awhile while I reevaluate what I believe to be good role-play. Sorry for the god-moddage.

[Mount Kip]

Cotland-

Which of your naval ships are available for sale?

Depends on what you want. Destroyers, frigates, cruisers, supply ships?

(I'm not sure exactly what my budget would be)

Can I have a quote for the following:

1x Sjarja Class Aircraft Carriers (5.5)
2x Ragnarok Class Battleships (12.0)
4x Saga Class Guided Missile Cruisers (13.2)
3x Mankell Class Guided Missile Destroyers (3.6)
1x Roald Amundsen Class Arctic Transport Vessel (0.5)

Estimated Cost: 34.8 billion

[Abruzi]

Cotland-

Which of your naval ships are available for sale?

Depends on what you want. Destroyers, frigates, cruisers, supply ships?

(I'm not sure exactly what my budget would be)

Can I have a quote for the following:

1x Sjarja Class Aircraft Carriers (5.5)
2x Ragnarok Class Battleships (12.0)
4x Saga Class Guided Missile Cruisers (13.2)
3x Mankell Class Guided Missile Destroyers (3.6)
1x Roald Amundsen Class Arctic Transport Vessel (0.5)

Estimated Cost: 34.8 billion

Kip use a tracker like this one to determine your defense budget: http://nstracker.org/index.php?nation=Abruzi

[Layarteb]

Cotland-

Which of your naval ships are available for sale?

Depends on what you want. Destroyers, frigates, cruisers, supply ships?

(I'm not sure exactly what my budget would be)

Can I have a quote for the following:

1x Sjarja Class Aircraft Carriers (5.5)
2x Ragnarok Class Battleships (12.0)
4x Saga Class Guided Missile Cruisers (13.2)
3x Mankell Class Guided Missile Destroyers (3.6)
1x Roald Amundsen Class Arctic Transport Vessel (0.5)

Estimated Cost: 34.8 billion

$3,845,466,644,136.43

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconom ... =Mount+Kip

[Mount Kip]

...but my NS pop. is somewhere near 1.35 billion....

My E2 pop. is not even 5 million.

[Layarteb]

...but my NS pop. is somewhere near 1.35 billion....

My E2 pop. is not even 5 million.

Do some math, divides.

[La Serenia]

This is not meant to affend you layarteb, but I noticed a few things that seem a bit unreasonable on your new doctrine of sovereignty.

Territorial airspace and waters of the Empire will extend as far as twenty-four (24) nautical miles past the baseline of the Empire. The Empire claims a contiguous zone or waters and airspace for an additional twelve (12) nautical miles past the end of territorial airspace and seas. Furthermore, the Empire claims an exclusive economic zone up to two hundred (200) nautical miles from the end of territorial airspace and seas.

I do not believe I support the contiguous zone, that seems a bit unreasonable to claim more then 30 nautical miles of territorial waters and airspace. (This one is just an opinion of mine, so you can disregard it if you like)

The Empire maintains the exclusive right over sovereignty of the Caribbean Sea. Any act of piracy, espionage, belligerency, or terrorism committed within the Caribbean Sea will be dealt with accordingly by the Empire. They will be regarded as casus belli. Foreign states or organizations sponsoring said acts would be wholly responsible for the repercussions.

Shouldn't you make some kind of agreement with West African Republic about this one, because I know he has land in Mexico.

For reasons of safety, the Empire recommends an exclusion zone around military vessels of no less than four (4) nautical miles for escort-sized vessels and twelve (12) nautical miles for capital-sized vessels. Vessels within these zones could be considered belligerent and engaged accordingly.

This may or may not (depending on the decisions of the commanders of your battle groups) infringe on other peoples rights to freedom of movement in international waters. You are pretty much saying (from what I can gather) that any layartebian flagged military vessel can go where ever they want, but foreign military vessels need to stay away because this is your temporary territorial waters.

(I am also looking at Article VII, Section IV for reference where you say: "The Empire believes in the concept of freedom of the seas and navigation outside of territorial and contiguous areas for military and civilian vessels alike.")

[Layarteb]

I do not believe I support the contiguous zone, that seems a bit unreasonable to claim more then 30 nautical miles of territorial waters and airspace. (This one is just an opinion of mine, so you can disregard it if you like)

It does right? Well take into account several people have claimed up to 48 nautical miles as just their territorial waters! Now that's borderline excessive but as there are no international treaties it's totally legit. Basically I maintain the 24 nautical miles of territorial waters, that is mine and all mine. The contiguous zone is another 12 nautical miles past that whereby I will not restrict civilian traffic but military traffic I require not to be present. I read up a little bit on territorial seas and what not in terms of real-life and put those into effect here as you can see from this info here.

The contiguous zone is a band of water extending from the outer edge of the territorial sea to up to 24 nautical miles (44 km) from the baseline, within which a state can exert limited control for the purpose of preventing or punishing "infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea". This will typically be 12 nautical miles (22 km) wide, but could be more (if a state has chosen to claim a territorial sea of less than 12 nautical miles), or less, if it would otherwise overlap another state's contiguous zone. However, unlike the territorial sea there is no standard rule for resolving such conflicts, and the states in question must negotiate their own compromise. The United States invoked a contiguous zone on 24 September 1999.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territoria ... guous_zone

Shouldn't you make some kind of agreement with West African Republic about this one, because I know he has land in Mexico.

The Caribbean Sea clause is meant to be a bit aggressive actually. However, I do not claim the whole sea as territorial or contiguous. Simply put, the only ways into and out of the Caribbean Sea are completely controlled by me, there are virtually no passages into and out of it that doesn't pass through my territorial waters thanks to my controlling all of the islands. Even between Jamaica and Puerto Rico it is only 62 nautical miles so my contiguous zone seals it up for passage. There's a few other passages around the same size elsewhere.

This may or may not (depending on the decisions of the commanders of your battle groups) infringe on other peoples rights to freedom of movement in international waters. You are pretty much saying (from what I can gather) that any layartebian flagged military vessel can go where ever they want, but foreign military vessels need to stay away because this is your temporary territorial waters.

(I am also looking at Article VII, Section IV for reference where you say: "The Empire believes in the concept of freedom of the seas and navigation outside of territorial and contiguous areas for military and civilian vessels alike.")

Technically there are no international documents affirming freedom of movement, navigation, or of the seas. However, this particular clause has nothing to do with freedom of movement nor is it binding. It does not stipulate in any way, shape, or form that a Layartebian flagged military vessel can go wherever it wants and makes no references to territorial or contiguous waters. It was what is called an exclusion zone. Several people actually operate exclusion zones around their carriers (Cotland for one) and if you go in that exclusion zone you basically get blown out of the sky or water. I do not have any sort of exclusion zone system. Even in this particular clause, the Empire is merely recommending, for the safety of everyone out there, to not venture too close to a Layartebian battlegroup. It does not say it will be blown out of the sky or water it says that the vessel could be considered belligerent. This is out there to give enemies of mine (Hi No Moto and Bavin) a bit of warning before they get too close to my ships. Likely what would happen in peacetime is nothing would happen actually. During war and especially if the battle group were firing weaponry and aircraft into the air, being in that exclusion zone could endanger your own life (i.e. SAM track you instead of the bad guy). It's a word of caution to treat a Layartebian battle group like a vicious animal. Keep your distance and it likely won't bite you.

[Hi No Moto]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47441

Hope for a New Generation

ATTN: Everyone in the world (especially Asia)

Oh Bollocks.

Also Lay I have a bone to pick with this section in the DOS II.

Section III: Any territorial claim considered excessive by the Empire, in regards to air, maritime, and terrestrial zones will not be honored by the Empire and any attempt to impede or infringe upon the Empire will be considered casus belli and appropriate action will be taken.

What is considered excessive by you? I have a maritime boundary of 40 nautical miles, is this considered excessive?

[Mount Kip]

...but my NS pop. is somewhere near 1.35 billion....

My E2 pop. is not even 5 million.

Do some math, divides.

My annual defense budget is around 13.5 billion.

@Cotland:

The following is a proposal for a 3 NS "Year" naval order.

1st Year

2x Ragnarok Class Battleships

2nd Year

1x Sjarja Class Aircraft Carrier
3x Mankell Class Guided Missile Destroyers
3x Roald Amundsen Class Arctic Transport Vessel

3rd Year

4x Saga Class Guided Missile Cruisers

Estimated Cost: 35-36 billion over 3 years

[Layarteb]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47441

Hope for a New Generation

ATTN: Everyone in the world (especially Asia)

Oh Bollocks.

Also Lay I have a bone to pick with this section in the DOS II.

Section III: Any territorial claim considered excessive by the Empire, in regards to air, maritime, and terrestrial zones will not be honored by the Empire and any attempt to impede or infringe upon the Empire will be considered casus belli and appropriate action will be taken.

What is considered excessive by you? I have a maritime boundary of 40 nautical miles, is this considered excessive?

HNM are you familiar with the rope-a-dope? Palawan was just a fake buddy. The Thai Canal was always plan A

ICly speaking, the Empire will not make any statements defining what it considers excessive. Needless to say, if we considered a claim excessive, we'd be violating it already.

[Cotland]

Government Cancels Grendel Contract!
______________________________________________________
By Viktor Tull

OSLO: Following irreconcilable disagreements between the Undén Armaments Ltd and the Royal Ministry of Defence, His Majesty's Government has decided to exercise the Fallback Clause in the Contract of 12. November 2009, and cancel the order placed for two million upper receivers for the HK416 to accept the 6.5mm x 39 Grendel round as the new main service rifle of the Armed Forces of the Realm of Cotland. Consequently, the decision to introduce the 6.5mm x 39 Grendel as the new main service caliber has also been cancelled in favor of the second runner up, the 6.8mm x 43 Remington.

With immediate effect, the 20,000 rifles already modified to accept the 6.5mm x 39 Grendel have been withdrawn from service and replaced with new Bushmaster ACR rifles chambered in 6.8mm x 43, formally designated as C27F2 combat rifles. The Bushmaster Corporation has already started production of the 6.8mm upper receivers, which will replace the 20,000 6.5mm x 39 Grendel upper receivers in already delivered Bushmaster ACR rifles, designated C27F1 combat rifles within the end of the month. Similarly, the C29F1 Squad Automatic Rifle currently in production but not yet delivered will be recalibered to accept the 6.8mm x 43 Remington round, and be redesignated C29F2.

A Government spokesman commented that "the Government deeply regrets this unfortunate turn of events," and expects that the delivery of new service rifles and automatic rifles to the troops on the ground will be delayed by four months as a result.

Undén Armaments Ltd declined to comment at this time, saying that they wanted to go over the Government's claims first.

Worldwide Copyright (c) Verdens Gang 23 April 2010

[Layarteb]

Government Cancels Grendel Contract!
______________________________________________________
By Viktor Tull

OSLO: Following irreconcilable disagreements between the Undén Armaments Ltd and the Royal Ministry of Defence, His Majesty's Government has decided to exercise the Fallback Clause in the Contract of 12. November 2009, and cancel the order placed for two million upper receivers for the HK416 to accept the 6.5mm x 39 Grendel round as the new main service rifle of the Armed Forces of the Realm of Cotland. Consequently, the decision to introduce the 6.5mm x 39 Grendel as the new main service caliber has also been cancelled in favor of the second runner up, the 6.8mm x 43 Remington.

With immediate effect, the 20,000 rifles already modified to accept the 6.5mm x 39 Grendel have been withdrawn from service and replaced with new Bushmaster ACR rifles chambered in 6.8mm x 43, formally designated as C27F2 combat rifles. The Bushmaster Corporation has already started production of the 6.8mm upper receivers, which will replace the 20,000 6.5mm x 39 Grendel upper receivers in already delivered Bushmaster ACR rifles, designated C27F1 combat rifles within the end of the month. Similarly, the C29F1 Squad Automatic Rifle currently in production but not yet delivered will be recalibered to accept the 6.8mm x 43 Remington round, and be redesignated C29F2.

A Government spokesman commented that "the Government deeply regrets this unfortunate turn of events," and expects that the delivery of new service rifles and automatic rifles to the troops on the ground will be delayed by four months as a result.

Undén Armaments Ltd declined to comment at this time, saying that they wanted to go over the Government's claims first.

Worldwide Copyright (c) Verdens Gang 23 April 2010

Just go 6.8x51mm you're SOOO close already.

[Hi No Moto]

HNM are you familiar with the rope-a-dope? Palawan was just a fake buddy. The Thai Canal was always plan A

ICly speaking, the Empire will not make any statements defining what it considers excessive. Needless to say, if we considered a claim excessive, we'd be violating it already.

Palawan was a fake?? I've been had! Damn you Lay!

[Layarteb]

HNM are you familiar with the rope-a-dope? Palawan was just a fake buddy. The Thai Canal was always plan A

ICly speaking, the Empire will not make any statements defining what it considers excessive. Needless to say, if we considered a claim excessive, we'd be violating it already.

Palawan was a fake?? I've been had! Damn you Lay!

Total fake. I have absolutely no desire to touch the Phillippines as far as you are aware. Disinformation. Or was it?

You can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest but you can never trust an honest many to be truly honest.

[Phillippanoa]

HNM are you familiar with the rope-a-dope? Palawan was just a fake buddy. The Thai Canal was always plan A

ICly speaking, the Empire will not make any statements defining what it considers excessive. Needless to say, if we considered a claim excessive, we'd be violating it already.

Palawan was a fake?? I've been had! Damn you Lay!

Total fake. I have absolutely no desire to touch the Phillippines as far as you are aware. Disinformation. Or was it?

You can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest but you can never trust an honest many to be truly honest.

Captain Jack Sparrow, right?

good ruse Lay

[Layarteb]

The saying is much older than Pirates of the Caribbean. I heard it when I was a kid, long before those movies and I trust it is older than I.

[Phillippanoa]

The saying is much older than Pirates of the Caribbean. I heard it when I was a kid, long before those movies and I trust it is older than I.

as is "Bob's your uncle and and Fanny's your aunt" (although they reckon that that is newer than when the film was set) and "QED".

[Cotland]

Cotland-

Which of your naval ships are available for sale?

Depends on what you want. Destroyers, frigates, cruisers, supply ships?

(I'm not sure exactly what my budget would be)

Can I have a quote for the following:

1x Sjarja Class Aircraft Carriers (5.5)
2x Ragnarok Class Battleships (12.0)
4x Saga Class Guided Missile Cruisers (13.2)
3x Mankell Class Guided Missile Destroyers (3.6)
1x Roald Amundsen Class Arctic Transport Vessel (0.5)

Estimated Cost: 34.8 billion

Sjarja's aren't for sale. Ragnaroks, I can get you two that have been decommissioned from Cottish service a few years ago if that's ok with you. Faster than building new ones. I'll only charge a third of the price for those too, so 4 billion for those two. As for the rest, I export but will charge a lil bit extra for export purposes (Mankells: $1.3 billion a piece; Sagas, $3.5 billion a piece, Amundsen, $0.6 billion a piece). Still interested?

[Mount Kip]

Ok...

2x Decommissioned Ragnarok Class Battleships (8.0)
3x Mankell Class Guided Missile Destroyers (3.9)
4x Saga Class Guided Missile Cruisers (14.0)
5x Roald Amundsen Class Arctic Transport Vessels (3.0)

Total Cost: 28.9 billion (3 payments - 13.45, 10.45, 5.0)

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Anyone else got a good aircraft carrier under 8 billion dollars?