Dissent in Monerite (Contrast Region Only)

[Opportunity and Peace]

OOC: Weren't there rebels in Dworn?

[Monerite]

OOC: Weren't there rebels in Dworn?

Yes, but they were driven out by the imperials several posts back. It was a really close battle, but once the imperials got to te Hih, it wasn't hard to take the city, especially as most of the inhabitants were still loyal to the kingdom.

[Monerite]

The only island that is truly pro-rebel to any large degree is Neu Dworn.

[Opportunity and Peace]

OOC: What I was wondering was, didn't rebels pop up there? That would mean the people there supported the rebels, not the current government. Is there a part of Dworn that supports the rebels?

[Monerite]

OOC: What I was wondering was, didn't rebels pop up there? That would mean the people there supported the rebels, not the current government. Is there a part of Dworn that supports the rebels?

(OOC: A very small part, yes. Most of them left for Neu Dworn, though, so there only a handful left in Dworn. I'd say about 95% of those that are pro-rebel are now in Neu Dworn. Even then, about a third, or at least a quarter, of those in Neu Dworn are in favor of the current government.

[Opportunity and Peace]

OOC: What are some stats on Neu Dworn. How populated is is compared to the rest of the nation? Are the rebels getting New York or are they getting Montana?

[Monerite]

OOC: What are some stats on Neu Dworn. How populated is is compared to the rest of the nation? Are the rebels getting New York or are they getting Montana?

OOC:
I would say they're getting something in between. Probably something along the lines of Oregon or Washington.
The cities that are identified on the map each have several tens of millions of people living in them, with maybe a hundred million in the larger of those identified. Neu Dworn probably has about 150,000,000 people living in it.

[Opportunity and Peace]

We have another proposal. Neu Dworn will become it's own nation, controlled by the rebels, and join the USCR. Also, Neu Elhen will become it's own nation, controlled by their rebels.

[Monerite]

We have another proposal. Neu Dworn will become it's own nation, controlled by the rebels, and join the USCR. Also, Neu Elhen will become it's own nation, controlled by their rebels.

We will accept that under the condition that both you and Felkey remove all military personnel, ships, aircraft, etc. from the area around Monerite, defined as 200 miles (about 320 km) in all directions from the shore of the main island, including the island of Neu Elhen and Neu Dworn.
Also, we cannot promise anything on behalf of the rebels. It is up to them whether or not to join the USCR.

[Opportunity and Peace]

OOC: I'm pretty sure Neu Dworn is within 200 miles of the main island. We are gonna have troops there to protect it. We don't want you to try to take it back.

[Monerite]

OOC: I'm pretty sure Neu Dworn is within 200 miles of the main island. We are gonna have troops there to protect it. We don't want you to try to take it back.

We will allow you to station troops on Neu Dworn for no longer than six months, at which time we can discuss extending it to a lnoger period of time.

[Opportunity and Peace]

Before anything is finalized I want the rebels to say that they will hold up their agreement to join the USCR.

[Opportunity and Peace]

OOC: Are you really allies with Xasivius? He kept saying you were an ally but I don't remember hearing anything about you two allying.

[Monerite]

OOC: Are you really allies with Xasivius? He kept saying you were an ally but I don't remember hearing anything about you two allying.

OOC: There wasn't ever a formal agreement, but it was kinda implied since he sent forces to assist me. So there isn't a formal agreement, no, but he did greatly assist me in the war.

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The Neu Dworn rebels have agreed to join the USCR. However, the Neu Elhen rebels have refused to have anything to do with them, as they see the People's Republic as invaders.

[Opportunity and Peace]

OOC: Are you really allies with Xasivius? He kept saying you were an ally but I don't remember hearing anything about you two allying.

OOC: There wasn't ever a formal agreement, but it was kinda implied since he sent forces to assist me. So there isn't a formal agreement, no, but he did greatly assist me in the war.

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The Neu Dworn rebels have agreed to join the USCR. However, the Neu Elhen rebels have refused to have anything to do with them, as they see the People's Republic as invaders.

OOC: Never wanted Neu Elhen to join. Knew they wouldn't. I wanted them to be their own nation. What I meant about the ally thing is it sounded like you were allies and that's why he helped, not he helped and that made you allies.

[Felkey]

OOC: I'm pretty sure Neu Dworn is within 200 miles of the main island. We are gonna have troops there to protect it. We don't want you to try to take it back.

We will allow you to station troops on Neu Dworn for no longer than six months, at which time we can discuss extending it to a lnoger period of time.

it would take much longer than 6 months to rebuild everything, set up a new government, and then help them build their own navy/airforce/full army.

[Monerite]

In regards to the concerns over the six months rule, we will be willing to aid both Neu Dworn and Neu Elhen in building-up their militaries and economies once they have established a provisional government themselves. Seeing as they would both appear to be at least somewhat organized, it's doubtful that it will take more than a few months to set-up a new government.

(OOC: he helped, which implied alliance. We weren't allies before.)

[Opportunity and Peace]

Neu Dworn is far smaller than your nation. We would need to be able to satation troops there to defend it. Even if the nation gets running in a few months it wouldn't be able to stand up to an invasion from Monerite.

[Xasivius]

I urge Monerite to reconsider, and think long and hard about all the long-term effects this deal could cause. If you are to continue fighting, you can put down this uprising, and then look to fix the issues that caused the uprising in the first place, but as a whole nation, rather than a fragment of what used to be. Hvalros is on their way to break the blockade set up by Felkey, and we can continue to aid you with troops and supplies once the blockade is broken.

I simply wish you to consider what you are doing in allowing the rebels to have their way. This could lead the way to more fighting in the future, except that they would then have an organized military that you helped create. If you stamp them out now, you set an example for future would-be rebels about the consequences of rebellion.

The current proposed deal would be a good short-term solution to end fighting, but it will likely lead to only more fighting in the years to come.

[Felkey]

I urge Monerite to reconsider, and think long and hard about all the long-term effects this deal could cause. If you are to continue fighting, you can put down this uprising, and then look to fix the issues that caused the uprising in the first place, but as a whole nation, rather than a fragment of what used to be. Hvalros is on their way to break the blockade set up by Felkey, and we can continue to aid you with troops and supplies once the blockade is broken.

I simply wish you to consider what you are doing in allowing the rebels to have their way. This could lead the way to more fighting in the future, except that they would then have an organized military that you helped create. If you stamp them out now, you set an example for future would-be rebels about the consequences of rebellion.

The current proposed deal would be a good short-term solution to end fighting, but it will likely lead to only more fighting in the years to come.

you will not be able to break this blockade as i will set up NNEMP launchers on the shores which will add to the ones already on my ships. keeps in mind that the NNEMP Bombs can disable anything within a 200 mile radius at maximum yield meaning you ships will lose all power and computer systems and all aircraft will just fall out of the sky once affected by the blast.

remember i say MAXIMUM YIELD, it can be adjusted so it won't hit my ships

[Felkey]

I urge Monerite to reconsider, and think long and hard about all the long-term effects this deal could cause. If you are to continue fighting, you can put down this uprising, and then look to fix the issues that caused the uprising in the first place, but as a whole nation, rather than a fragment of what used to be. Hvalros is on their way to break the blockade set up by Felkey, and we can continue to aid you with troops and supplies once the blockade is broken.

I simply wish you to consider what you are doing in allowing the rebels to have their way. This could lead the way to more fighting in the future, except that they would then have an organized military that you helped create. If you stamp them out now, you set an example for future would-be rebels about the consequences of rebellion.

The current proposed deal would be a good short-term solution to end fighting, but it will likely lead to only more fighting in the years to come.

ooc: wasnt hvalros also land locked?

[Opportunity and Peace]

I urge Monerite to reconsider, and think long and hard about all the long-term effects this deal could cause. If you are to continue fighting, you can put down this uprising, and then look to fix the issues that caused the uprising in the first place, but as a whole nation, rather than a fragment of what used to be. Hvalros is on their way to break the blockade set up by Felkey, and we can continue to aid you with troops and supplies once the blockade is broken.

I simply wish you to consider what you are doing in allowing the rebels to have their way. This could lead the way to more fighting in the future, except that they would then have an organized military that you helped create. If you stamp them out now, you set an example for future would-be rebels about the consequences of rebellion.

The current proposed deal would be a good short-term solution to end fighting, but it will likely lead to only more fighting in the years to come.

That example to the people of Monerite would be "you are dead". If we continue fighting the nation will be destroyed. There are millions of soldiers in the nation now and millions more that would be deployed if the war continues. A good general knows that you cannot win a war without public support. That is why I am no longer asking for more land. They would not support the new government. We are having the areas that would support it, have the new government. We wouldn't just invade after the nation is split up because the other people don't want us. Monerite wants it's own government and the rebels want theirs. Giving the rebels their own country seems the best solution.

Also, Monerite seems to be agreeing with the idea of a new nation. If you are to invade, even to support Monerite, you are going against what they want. I doubt you would have Monerite's support in prolonging this war.

[Monerite]

Very well, we shall reconsider all of our options.
However, we stress that we seek a quick resolution to this war. Of course, we want to crush the rebels, but we also do not want this war to drag on for years.
We again stress, though, that our saying this does not guarantee continued fighting, only that we will review our options more carefully.

Also, Felkey, the planes won't fall out of the sky. (1) most planes can glide safely to land and (2) EMPs don't necessarily knock out the engines, depending on how the engines work. The controls will be shot, but that doesn't mean the planes will just fall straight to the ground/ocean.

[Monerite]

Our final decision is this:
The rebels may have Neu Dworn. Anything else will be unacceptable. The rest of Monerite stays with us, including Neu Elhen, as we have already crushed the rebellion there.

[Opportunity and Peace]

OOC: I really don't want to have to go back to war as we have yet to get solid numbers on military strength.