by Jenrak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:41 am
by Solm » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:07 am
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by Jenrak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:17 am
by Ozymos » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:26 am
Solm wrote: The hard part is trying to transform those people into great RPers who understand II. There has to be a more proactive attempt into helping them, we have to go to them, not the other way around. We must initiate a system in which we can identify nations whom need help, and be able to go to them, not relying on their decision to come to people who are willing to help.
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We also have to stop yelling and posting: "Fail" comments when a new nation tries to RP in II. Many times I have noticed that when a new nation tries to begin an RP (That might just be a one-liner), many nations will post "Fail," and not try to constructively assist the nation in becoming a better RPer.
by Rethan » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:49 am
by Solm » Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:57 am
Jenrak wrote:That's true that there are diverse communities in the experienced field, I would agree, but can we also argue that perhaps there is no communication between these groups? I know within the expert community there are their own little groups and cliques, such as the 'Haven crowd', or 'Gholgoth crowd', or 'Rostil crowd', etc. Do you believe there are certain RPing lines that they'll all come across together and try to fix with these new players, and then try and get these new RPers to follow?
That said, bringing help to the newer players has ultimately been an issue because sometimes we are A) limited by what help we can provide, and B) whether they'll listen. We can't barge in and say 'this is what you do', because that risks the OP outright ignoring us and asking us to leave. Secondly, whether they'll listen or take heed is another issue. The Hayaba and Blue Zone 1 incident, for example, displays the issues with players who evidently don't listen to advice, or have really short term memories or have difficulty learning.
As for the 'Fail' comment, I would agree, but that would require a massive shift in our current RPing paradigm because we're so used to it now. I mean, look at the 'Blackhelm Countdown' - that was a persistent problem among oil threads for the longest time, and this issue is even more fundamental. Do you think that 'experts' should be more stringent on what people are saying to newer threads?
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by Arivada » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:00 am
by Of The Arch ilands » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:01 am
Xiscapia wrote:In Soviet Archland, OH SHIT FRANK IS BEHIND YOU!
18:47 Urarailgun In heaven the cooks are Archian, the engineers are Urarailian, the lovers are Delemontian, and the police are Britannian. In hell the cooks are Britannian, the engineers are Delemontian, the lovers are Archian, and the police are Urarailian
by Ozymos » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:10 am
Rethan wrote:Honestly, I think MT could learn from FT.
Of The Arch ilands wrote:We need to encourage that interaction once again. Maybe a NS world war? which is open to every one?
by Dimoniquid » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:21 am
Of The Arch ilands wrote:We need to encourage that interaction once again. Maybe a NS world war? which is open to every one?
by Lhazastan » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:57 am
by Oseato » Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:22 am
Rethan wrote: Another off-putting item (which made me switch to FT and generally avoid MT like the plague for a long time) was the people so deadset on realism that if you don't use perfect tactics and basically understand how modern warfare works in real life, right down to the power behind a tank's particular round and the benefits of one round type vs. another, you're going to be called out on it and pretty much have all creativity crushed. If I wanted real world political stuff to read, I'd go watch the fucking news. It's ridiculous.
Rethan wrote:Also of note is a recent attempt by the Conglomerate to teach an alliance filled with newer players how to roleplay through the method which would best draw them in. Most newer players (I know, I was one once) enjoy warfare, and why not? Done right it can be immense fun. The problem is people misunderstood the Cong's intentions and thought the Cong was declaring ware because they disagreed with how the other players were roleplaying. Granted, the conglomerate players involved didn't (to my eye) make their intentions wholly clear, hence the misunderstanding. Cue the fragmented rivalries as Cong-hating players jumped in to condemn a legitimate attempt at helping newbies learn the ropes.
by Stoklomolvi » Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:47 am
Lhazastan wrote:I, for one, think that you, Jenrak, should consider using your mod powers more and not letting people skate by with regular text suggestions that most probably don't even read
by Rethan » Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:56 am
Oseato wrote:This is a problem in some RPs and with some players, but I think if you took a look at some of the better RPs here on II and on the different regional forums you'll find that this isn't generally the case. I know a lot more RPers who are focused on story much more than technological aspects of the RP. Sure, if someone misses something or is using some absurd technology you're going to have some issues there, but most of the time you're going to find people who could care less about technology than they do about advancing a certain storyline.
That being said there seems to be a huge focus on II on technology and how awesome someone's tech compared to someone else and that generally devolves into a bunch of bickering because people don't take the appropriate amount of casualties or something. I know we've all heard the complaints about too much realism and technobabble, but I really believe that is the exception in RPs and not the rule.
Oseato wrote:I also think there is an issue here. A lot of people really did not feel that beating the stuffing out of a bunch of new players was going to help them improve in any way. And if I could forestall any comments about how I've had issues with the Conglomerate in the past, it wasn't just myself and the specific RPing circle I am in that believes this. There's a saying that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar and I think that idiom is quite applicable to this part of the topic. We were all young RPers once, some of us were good from the get go, some of us needed a lot of improvement. However, in most cases we didn't improve and stay this long because we constantly had the snot kicked out of us by older members. In most cases, you're just going to drive people away when you force your effort to "improve them" on the certain rper. Most of the people who need help and support are going to resent being dog-piled and having their own destruction forced on them by people they didn't consent to RPing with in the first place.
Oseato wrote:I will agree that something needs to be done about the quality on MT II, and I don't believe we can just let people alone to do whatever they want particularly in situations like those involving Habaya, but invading, defeating, and subjugating unskilled RPers is definitely not the way to go. I think if people really wish to improve II, they should get involved in some of standing RPs in a positive way and not the "I'm an older nation so surrender to me" way. Offer help in the form of opening some of the RPs people create and getting new RPers involved or contact an RPer to offer help creating a good RP to help them improve.
I know NST has already tried some of this and hasn't been all that effective, but I think we're going to come to the conclusion that, frankly, we can't "save" everyone. I believe, in the end, that more people will be helped if people get them involved in a positive way and not by beating them up.
by Amazonian Beasts » Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:01 pm
by Astholm » Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:18 pm
by Third Spanish States » Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:22 pm
Izistan wrote:Third Spanish States is a well known far-right activist so his attempts at humor can only be expected.
Umbagar wrote:%*$#! I put a crack in my screen thanks to the awesome "place fist here" sign. >:(
Lhazastan wrote:if all you want to do is run around being the big badass of a community, not only are you pathetic, but you are a bad RPer
Saxon Germany wrote:[...]you're practically a professional troll, TSS.[...]
by Jenrak » Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:35 pm
by Lhazastan » Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:47 pm
by The State of Monavia » Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:21 pm
by The PeoplesFreedom » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:01 am
by Izistan » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:21 am
The PeoplesFreedom wrote:First.
There are certain people that just don't get it. Either they're trolls, or too young, or too plain stupid to understand the game, and never improve. I don't know what to do about these players, since mods won't ban them. Some simple advice? Ignore them.
However, there are numerous RPers whom aren't quite experienced enough to roll with the best Rpers, but are far too smart to hang with the rejects. Thus, a solution. A practical one.
http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... topic=8710
This is a way to enforce standards on the RP community completely voluntarily. It allows for the best RPers to come out of the safety of region-rules and internal forums. It allowed for the resolution of arguments without mod intervention.
Furthermore I think mods should stay and only police the forums of their specialty, but the mods already very rudely shot it down.
by Skibereen » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:27 am
by Terraius » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:50 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Terraius is also a Catholic heretic personally responsible for the Fourth Crusade.
Lupelia wrote:Terraius: best Byzantine nation for weather.
Yeah I really like planet consuming Warp storms myself.
by Old Erisia » Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:12 am
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The Parkus Empire wrote:Then stop getting everyone excited, Mr. Human Viagra.
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