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Arakhkhar
Minister
 
Posts: 2633
Founded: Jan 03, 2024
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Arakhkhar » Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:58 am

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Arakhkhar wrote:
At one point, I wanted to intervene - until I saw several problems.
1. Godmodding.
2. Extremely short posts, with little quality.
3. It generally followed “I launch X missile at Y ship for effect Z.” Very banal writing.


Ah yes. Everyone’s complaints with newer players. You are relatively new, though? Unless you are a puppet of someone whose been around for a while or you have been to Forum 7 lately.


I have several six-year old accounts. I never really RP’d with them, but as of yet no-one has had these complaints about my RPing.
This is my main, now.
Last edited by Arakhkhar on Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Assassins BrotherHoodd
Minister
 
Posts: 3123
Founded: Feb 05, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Assassins BrotherHoodd » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:00 pm

Look I’m new (kind of ) and yes newer people make mistakes I do all the time. Even more experienced players make mistakes it’s normal.I still own up to it tho and edit my stuff and improve.I’m constantly improving my rp and such so I can be better.but it’s still not a excuse when it happens a lot in a short period of time.and the reason why it had 7 pages .in under 24 hours is because it’s mainly fucking one liners and god moding .
“Good soldiers always follow orders.”-Average GAR clone trooper.”that will make another, fine addition to my collection.”-General Grievous.
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.“-Sheev Palpatine.
March song.
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“The time has come Execute Order 66.”-Sheev Palpatine.
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Proud observer of the ISD
NS stats are not cannon.
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European Federal Union
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Posts: 4480
Founded: Sep 25, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby European Federal Union » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:00 pm

British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:So, EFU, anymore ideas for the proxy war/Cold War thread?


Its up
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=548039&view=unread#unread
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Assassins BrotherHoodd
Minister
 
Posts: 3123
Founded: Feb 05, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Assassins BrotherHoodd » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:14 pm

European Federal Union wrote:
British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:So, EFU, anymore ideas for the proxy war/Cold War thread?


Its up
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=548039&view=unread#unread


Looks fun I made a sign up for it.
“Good soldiers always follow orders.”-Average GAR clone trooper.”that will make another, fine addition to my collection.”-General Grievous.
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.“-Sheev Palpatine.
March song.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")this is mr bunny:3
“The time has come Execute Order 66.”-Sheev Palpatine.
Tactical NUKE INCOMING-Modern Warfare 2 2009.
Proud member of the ASP,CSL,KTO,interCOM,TDC,IMPERIAL PACT! TCFEF DC and ANTISOC
Proud observer of the ISD
NS stats are not cannon.
─╤══̵̵͇̿̿̿̿╦︻This is mr gun:3
“Hah! You thought I wouldn’t be back, to take your knee caps? You thought wrong! Time to take those caps.” -charges up knee caps stealer.-

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British Arzelentaxmacone
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Posts: 8720
Founded: May 12, 2023
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby British Arzelentaxmacone » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:15 pm

I personally believe that it’s wrong to judge new players based on how long they have been on this site - there are plenty of newer nations that are excellent RPers, and I’m always happy to roleplay with people as long as they don’t godmod, which is why I haven’t got involved in the Heldervin thread.
Too authoritarian? Yeah I get that a lot.

Proud member or observer of the GSC, ISD, IED, InterCOM, FIRE, 1st signatory to the Shieldstan declaration of banning slavery and author of the Proclamation on the Rights of the Individual.

MT Nation, year 2023, Not based on my IRL Views.

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British Arzelentaxmacone
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Posts: 8720
Founded: May 12, 2023
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby British Arzelentaxmacone » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:16 pm

European Federal Union wrote:
British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:So, EFU, anymore ideas for the proxy war/Cold War thread?


Its up
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=548039&view=unread#unread


Looks brilliant! Signing up now…
Too authoritarian? Yeah I get that a lot.

Proud member or observer of the GSC, ISD, IED, InterCOM, FIRE, 1st signatory to the Shieldstan declaration of banning slavery and author of the Proclamation on the Rights of the Individual.

MT Nation, year 2023, Not based on my IRL Views.

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Assassins BrotherHoodd
Minister
 
Posts: 3123
Founded: Feb 05, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Assassins BrotherHoodd » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:20 pm

British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:I personally believe that it’s wrong to judge new players based on how long they have been on this site - there are plenty of newer nations that are excellent RPers, and I’m always happy to roleplay with people as long as they don’t godmod, which is why I haven’t got involved in the Heldervin thread.


I agree
“Good soldiers always follow orders.”-Average GAR clone trooper.”that will make another, fine addition to my collection.”-General Grievous.
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.“-Sheev Palpatine.
March song.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")this is mr bunny:3
“The time has come Execute Order 66.”-Sheev Palpatine.
Tactical NUKE INCOMING-Modern Warfare 2 2009.
Proud member of the ASP,CSL,KTO,interCOM,TDC,IMPERIAL PACT! TCFEF DC and ANTISOC
Proud observer of the ISD
NS stats are not cannon.
─╤══̵̵͇̿̿̿̿╦︻This is mr gun:3
“Hah! You thought I wouldn’t be back, to take your knee caps? You thought wrong! Time to take those caps.” -charges up knee caps stealer.-

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Assassins BrotherHoodd
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Posts: 3123
Founded: Feb 05, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Assassins BrotherHoodd » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:27 pm

WHYYYYYYYYY
Image
“Good soldiers always follow orders.”-Average GAR clone trooper.”that will make another, fine addition to my collection.”-General Grievous.
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.“-Sheev Palpatine.
March song.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")this is mr bunny:3
“The time has come Execute Order 66.”-Sheev Palpatine.
Tactical NUKE INCOMING-Modern Warfare 2 2009.
Proud member of the ASP,CSL,KTO,interCOM,TDC,IMPERIAL PACT! TCFEF DC and ANTISOC
Proud observer of the ISD
NS stats are not cannon.
─╤══̵̵͇̿̿̿̿╦︻This is mr gun:3
“Hah! You thought I wouldn’t be back, to take your knee caps? You thought wrong! Time to take those caps.” -charges up knee caps stealer.-

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Southeast Marajarbia
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Posts: 19119
Founded: Mar 21, 2021
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:35 pm

British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:I personally believe that it’s wrong to judge new players based on how long they have been on this site - there are plenty of newer nations that are excellent RPers, and I’m always happy to roleplay with people as long as they don’t godmod, which is why I haven’t got involved in the Heldervin thread.


Exactly what I’ve been saying for a while now. New players aren’t bad at all.
Just a regular old II Superpower nation, and large scale trading empire that likes to have fun! You (the reader) can find me all over II nowadays, so I suggest having a chat.

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British Arzelentaxmacone
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Posts: 8720
Founded: May 12, 2023
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby British Arzelentaxmacone » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:36 pm

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:I personally believe that it’s wrong to judge new players based on how long they have been on this site - there are plenty of newer nations that are excellent RPers, and I’m always happy to roleplay with people as long as they don’t godmod, which is why I haven’t got involved in the Heldervin thread.


Exactly what I’ve been saying for a while now. New players aren’t bad at all.


Exactly, and I believe it’s wrong to assume that new players always godmod. We have all been new to this site at some point in time, and i personally think it’s a good thing to help and encourage new RPers so that they feel welcome here.
Too authoritarian? Yeah I get that a lot.

Proud member or observer of the GSC, ISD, IED, InterCOM, FIRE, 1st signatory to the Shieldstan declaration of banning slavery and author of the Proclamation on the Rights of the Individual.

MT Nation, year 2023, Not based on my IRL Views.

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Assassins BrotherHoodd
Minister
 
Posts: 3123
Founded: Feb 05, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Assassins BrotherHoodd » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:37 pm

British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Exactly what I’ve been saying for a while now. New players aren’t bad at all.


Exactly, and I believe it’s wrong to assume that new players always godmod. We have all been new to this site at some point in time, and i personally think it’s a good thing to help and encourage new RPers so that they feel welcome here.


Exactly
“Good soldiers always follow orders.”-Average GAR clone trooper.”that will make another, fine addition to my collection.”-General Grievous.
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.“-Sheev Palpatine.
March song.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")this is mr bunny:3
“The time has come Execute Order 66.”-Sheev Palpatine.
Tactical NUKE INCOMING-Modern Warfare 2 2009.
Proud member of the ASP,CSL,KTO,interCOM,TDC,IMPERIAL PACT! TCFEF DC and ANTISOC
Proud observer of the ISD
NS stats are not cannon.
─╤══̵̵͇̿̿̿̿╦︻This is mr gun:3
“Hah! You thought I wouldn’t be back, to take your knee caps? You thought wrong! Time to take those caps.” -charges up knee caps stealer.-

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Southeast Marajarbia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19119
Founded: Mar 21, 2021
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:40 pm

British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:
Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
Exactly what I’ve been saying for a while now. New players aren’t bad at all.


Exactly, and I believe it’s wrong to assume that new players always godmod. We have all been new to this site at some point in time, and i personally think it’s a good thing to help and encourage new RPers so that they feel welcome here.


And I have my own ways to accomplish that. I intervene in most civil wars because I know one big thing, there’s going to be players that are either relatively new or very new to NS that will one day play a role in global geopolitics both during and even after Civil War Season, and even the Chaos Period.
Just a regular old II Superpower nation, and large scale trading empire that likes to have fun! You (the reader) can find me all over II nowadays, so I suggest having a chat.

Some NS stats are not canon. Nation represents some (not all) of my RL views

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Guavalandia
Senator
 
Posts: 4438
Founded: Sep 29, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Guavalandia » Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:06 pm

Hmm…
Retired :)

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Daharia
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 57
Founded: Feb 06, 2024
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Daharia » Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:39 pm

Official nation full name: The Republic of Daharia

Head of state:

Head of government: Dávid Pokorný

Ideology of state: Liberal Conservatism

Are you applying to be a member state, observer state or a guest state? Member State

If you’re applying to be an observer state, do you plan on joining as a member state in the future? (Leave blank if not applying to be an observer state)

Will you follow the founding charter of ASP, the ASP Human Rights Standard, the ASP Golden Amendment and the ASP Code of Conduct? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes

Are you willing to provide assistance of technology, weapons and monetary support when needed? (Leave blank if applying for guest state)Yes

Does your nation possess WMDs? Yes

Is your nation a puppet, if yes, puppet of which nation? No
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Durovsk
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 6
Founded: Apr 26, 2023
Ex-Nation

Postby Durovsk » Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:51 pm

Official nation full name: The People's Republic of Durovsk

Head of state: Volodymr Abyzov

Head of government: Volodymr Abyzov

Ideology of state: Democratic Socialism

Are you applying to be a member state, observer state or a guest state? Member state

If you’re applying to be an observer state, do you plan on joining as a member state in the future? (Leave blank if not applying to be an observer state)

Will you follow the founding charter of ASP, the ASP Human Rights Standard, the ASP Golden Amendment and the ASP Code of Conduct? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes.

Are you willing to provide assistance of technology, weapons and monetary support when needed? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes.

Does your nation possess WMDs? Yes, but as written in our constitution, they may only be used in defense if we are fired upon first.

Is your nation a puppet, if yes, puppet of which nation? No.
Cold. Very cold.

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Union of Soviet Sovereign Republiks1
Envoy
 
Posts: 313
Founded: Jul 14, 2023
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Union of Soviet Sovereign Republiks1 » Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:05 pm

Assassins BrotherHoodd wrote:
European Federal Union wrote:
Is there a scale or smt, or how far is the distance from Frijheid to Arz city


EFU can I see a map of your nation?

My territory is the entire Soviet Union plus three former Iranian provinces which I got in 1990 as the IRI was stupid enough to attack me and I steamrolled them like the Americans steamrolled Iraq in both Persian Gulf Wars. I got territory out of the deal and put the Shah's son in power but as a constitutional monarchy.
Leader: President Alexei Navalny
Member of: NATO, The Indo-Pacific Pact, ASP, CSL
Observer of: KTO
Population: 450 million
Year: 2025
Country: The Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics or the Soviet Union
Territory: All Soviet Territory plus former Iranian provinces of East Azerbaijan, West Azerbaijan and Ardabil.
Tech Level: MT-PMT
Flag: Soviet Flag

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British Arzelentaxmacone
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8720
Founded: May 12, 2023
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby British Arzelentaxmacone » Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:58 pm

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:
British Arzelentaxmacone wrote:
Exactly, and I believe it’s wrong to assume that new players always godmod. We have all been new to this site at some point in time, and i personally think it’s a good thing to help and encourage new RPers so that they feel welcome here.


And I have my own ways to accomplish that. I intervene in most civil wars because I know one big thing, there’s going to be players that are either relatively new or very new to NS that will one day play a role in global geopolitics both during and even after Civil War Season, and even the Chaos Period.


I suppose so.
Too authoritarian? Yeah I get that a lot.

Proud member or observer of the GSC, ISD, IED, InterCOM, FIRE, 1st signatory to the Shieldstan declaration of banning slavery and author of the Proclamation on the Rights of the Individual.

MT Nation, year 2023, Not based on my IRL Views.

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Guavalandia
Senator
 
Posts: 4438
Founded: Sep 29, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Guavalandia » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:35 am

Durovsk wrote:Official nation full name: The People's Republic of Durovsk

Head of state: Volodymr Abyzov

Head of government: Volodymr Abyzov

Ideology of state: Democratic Socialism

Are you applying to be a member state, observer state or a guest state? Member state

If you’re applying to be an observer state, do you plan on joining as a member state in the future? (Leave blank if not applying to be an observer state)

Will you follow the founding charter of ASP, the ASP Human Rights Standard, the ASP Golden Amendment and the ASP Code of Conduct? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes.

Are you willing to provide assistance of technology, weapons and monetary support when needed? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes.

Does your nation possess WMDs? Yes, but as written in our constitution, they may only be used in defense if we are fired upon first.

Is your nation a puppet, if yes, puppet of which nation? No.

Accepted.
Retired :)

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Guavalandia
Senator
 
Posts: 4438
Founded: Sep 29, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Guavalandia » Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:35 am

Daharia wrote:Official nation full name: The Republic of Daharia

Head of state:

Head of government: Dávid Pokorný

Ideology of state: Liberal Conservatism

Are you applying to be a member state, observer state or a guest state? Member State

If you’re applying to be an observer state, do you plan on joining as a member state in the future? (Leave blank if not applying to be an observer state)

Will you follow the founding charter of ASP, the ASP Human Rights Standard, the ASP Golden Amendment and the ASP Code of Conduct? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes

Are you willing to provide assistance of technology, weapons and monetary support when needed? (Leave blank if applying for guest state)Yes

Does your nation possess WMDs? Yes

Is your nation a puppet, if yes, puppet of which nation?

Please fill out the last question.
Retired :)

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Guavalandia
Senator
 
Posts: 4438
Founded: Sep 29, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Guavalandia » Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:28 am

Man Ethan Wallace is the goat with his “Wake up, Hoffman, you incompetent imbecile.”
Retired :)

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Daharia
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 57
Founded: Feb 06, 2024
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Daharia » Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:26 am

Guavalandia wrote: -snip-
Please fill out the last question.


Just did
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Guavalandia
Senator
 
Posts: 4438
Founded: Sep 29, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Guavalandia » Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:27 am

Daharia wrote:Official nation full name: The Republic of Daharia

Head of state:

Head of government: Dávid Pokorný

Ideology of state: Liberal Conservatism

Are you applying to be a member state, observer state or a guest state? Member State

If you’re applying to be an observer state, do you plan on joining as a member state in the future? (Leave blank if not applying to be an observer state)

Will you follow the founding charter of ASP, the ASP Human Rights Standard, the ASP Golden Amendment and the ASP Code of Conduct? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes

Are you willing to provide assistance of technology, weapons and monetary support when needed? (Leave blank if applying for guest state)Yes

Does your nation possess WMDs? Yes

Is your nation a puppet, if yes, puppet of which nation? No

Accepted.
Retired :)

NS STATS AND FORUMS ARE NOT CANON (unless marked).

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Garawa
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 44
Founded: Jan 29, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Garawa » Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:24 pm

Official nation full name: The Peoples Republic of Garawa

Head of state: Julio Francisco

Head of government: Fernando Guillermo DelaRosa

Ideology of state: Liberal Democracy

Are you applying to be a member state, observer state or a guest state? Member State

If you’re applying to be an observer state, do you plan on joining as a member state in the future? (Leave blank if not applying to be an observer state)

Will you follow the founding charter of ASP, the ASP Human Rights Standard, the ASP Golden Amendment and the ASP Code of Conduct? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes

Are you willing to provide assistance of technology, weapons and monetary support when needed? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes

Does your nation possess WMDs? No

Is your nation a puppet, if yes, puppet of which nation? No

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Guavalandia
Senator
 
Posts: 4438
Founded: Sep 29, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Guavalandia » Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:38 pm

Garawa wrote:Official nation full name: The Peoples Republic of Garawa

Head of state: Julio Francisco

Head of government: Fernando Guillermo DelaRosa

Ideology of state: Liberal Democracy

Are you applying to be a member state, observer state or a guest state? Member State

If you’re applying to be an observer state, do you plan on joining as a member state in the future? (Leave blank if not applying to be an observer state)

Will you follow the founding charter of ASP, the ASP Human Rights Standard, the ASP Golden Amendment and the ASP Code of Conduct? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes

Are you willing to provide assistance of technology, weapons and monetary support when needed? (Leave blank if applying for guest state) Yes

Does your nation possess WMDs? No

Is your nation a puppet, if yes, puppet of which nation? No

Accepted.
Retired :)

NS STATS AND FORUMS ARE NOT CANON (unless marked).

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Assassins BrotherHoodd
Minister
 
Posts: 3123
Founded: Feb 05, 2024
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Assassins BrotherHoodd » Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:39 pm

Guava what percent of your navy is operational?
“Good soldiers always follow orders.”-Average GAR clone trooper.”that will make another, fine addition to my collection.”-General Grievous.
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.“-Sheev Palpatine.
March song.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")this is mr bunny:3
“The time has come Execute Order 66.”-Sheev Palpatine.
Tactical NUKE INCOMING-Modern Warfare 2 2009.
Proud member of the ASP,CSL,KTO,interCOM,TDC,IMPERIAL PACT! TCFEF DC and ANTISOC
Proud observer of the ISD
NS stats are not cannon.
─╤══̵̵͇̿̿̿̿╦︻This is mr gun:3
“Hah! You thought I wouldn’t be back, to take your knee caps? You thought wrong! Time to take those caps.” -charges up knee caps stealer.-

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